There is a shortage of programmers

>There is a shortage of programmers
>We are very picky who we hire. You must be a conformist non autist and jump through hoops.

Choose one.

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Pay attention to who is telling you that there is a shortage

You should add a modifier word to the first sentence, making it
>there is a shortage of competent programmers
Then you can pick both. Only people like you need to "jump through hoops" OP, because you failed to convince management/recruitment/hiring that you were competent.

There's a shortage of GOOD programmers. If companies don't already want pajeets, then they're not gonna want autists either.

These. The reason Jow Forums are telling interviewing horror stories and making false claims about the market being saturated
1) they want to discourage people to apply for CS so they can lower the bar for themselves
2) they are unable to land a job because they are shit programmers

So if I walk into the front doors of microsoft and say, "I am competent show me to your leader," then they are gonna drop their panties and hear out my demands?

If you need to tell that, you are unlikely to actually be competent.

See If you are competent, you will most likely be headhunted by their talent outreach program or contacted directly by them some other way.

>people who kiss ass and jump through hoops are competent
>people who defy my authority as a boss and make me feel emotionally bad must not be competent

It sounds more to me like business people decide who is competent based on how they like them interpersonally. So therefore Human Resource Specialists make the most competent programmers.

Not likely so. There could be a super autist who just doesn't go outside and thus can not be recruited. In fact I would say that this is where all of those competent programmers have gone missing.

>make something yourself for a client
>it just werks
>apply for a job
>umm sweetie, we are looking for someone with 5 years of experience in the meme of the day

Going outside has nothing to do with it. I've been contacted by several companies based on my Github alone, including Samsung and Nvidia.

>apply for a job
>act like a cocky prick during the interview
>"man this guy acts like a cocky prick, I'm not sure if I want to deal with his shit in the office"
>get rejected
It's almost like having some modesty and not talking like you're better than everyone else encourages others to like you. Is that so difficult to understand?

>2 years ago
>"what in the hell do ya mean you aren't an expert in ruby on rails GET OUT!!!"
>today
>"What the hell is this 'ruby on rails' on your resume. I've never heard of that. We use python here."

But user my IQ is in the 90th percentile.

Of course, whenever you hear "we can't find enough good X", where X is literally any regular job - its said in every industry - what they really mean is "we can't hire the top Y% of X for below market average salary for X".
Every company i've worked for where managers have complained about no good interviewees its ALWAYS been because they are fucking cheap and that they expect top talent for 1/4th of what FANG would pay. Corporations are like women, they only want chad and don't want to give the vast majority of regular schmucks the time of day.

>muh IQ
Can you code tho? Doesn't help if you're extremely smart, if your code is sloppy and messy.

I've written enterprise-grade fizzbuzz implementations in 30 different languages.

Brainlet response.

What youre describing isnt a shortage, its the very basic of keeping your workforce up to snuff. People rotate, so you hire more people right? The claim about shortage implies there is a need for programmers but that isnt the case here, the definition for a good programmer is arbitary after all. The shortage for good programmers is in reality a normal hiring cycle where you weed out applicants to find the best one due to natural turnover.

Now, if there was an ACTUAL shortage you would see more outsourcing, hiring less competent programmers and gradually teaching em the job. Alas that does not exist so there isnt any kind of shortage

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You only need to be strongly opinionated about a popular language and also say something shit about object oriented programming, and you're hired!

>you would see more outsourcing
You just need to look at the pajeet infestation throughout the industry to know this is already real.
>hiring less competent programmers and gradually teaching em the job.
Who needs to train programmers to be competent when you can get 10 pajeets for the same price? If you have 200 pajeets in a room all writing code, eventually they'll make a working product, right?

>if there was an ACTUAL shortage you would see more outsourcing
People outsource and hire visa workers all the time, what the fuck are you talking about. Back when I was still in college, I was literally offered money/bonus for dropping out and starting to work at a company instead.

There is clearly a shortage, the problem is that you think that the people bitching about not being able to find a job on this board are programmers; most of them aren't able to implement fizzbuzz correctly.

sudo apt-get install emacs

That's all the code I need.

>most of them aren't able to implement fizzbuzz correctly
Good meme

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The fizzbuzz part is a meme, but people here literally think they are special because they've made babbys first JavaScript library. Very few here actually do any real work or have relevant knowledge that is beyond intro-level.

There is a shortage. Problem is that all these "horror" stores are from mediocre autists who apply to 200k per year positions and then get shut down because those jobs are for actually good programmers.
Mediocre fags will have to accept 40-50k per year jobs at some literal who companies.

seconding this, I've got 12 years of dev experience and as senior/lead I get at least a couple offers/potential interviews a day in the last 3-4 years, my email is literally full of them

Hmm.

I dno man I have a Bsc studying a Msc and I already get flooded with job offers from linkedin. I could just stop my master and work if I wanted to. There's a shortage of people who are actually competent though.

> job posting demands very specific and advanced knowledge on a certain amount of topics
> pays only slightly above median wage
> nobody with those skills want to pick up the job, less qualified candidates get rejected
> "there is a shortage, we need to find someone from a foreign country to do this job"
> company proceeds with visa applications and ends up doubling (or even tripling) the salary they're paying to the foreigner

This happens in the Netherlands

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This

Yeah, I'm not even a senior yet, I've got like 4 years of experience and I get contacted by recruiters and other companies and even CTOs pretty regularly, probably an invite for a "chat" or interview at least once a week.

I've considered deleting my LinkedIn several times because of it actually.

Do you have any previous work experience tho?

Programmers who aren't fucking autistic are in no way short.

If you are a functional human being, can particularly communicate and write well, you are in demand.

80% of your time in anything other than a code mill will be planning, meeting users, meetings with the team to plan future development, helping existing users, putting together user guides and videoes etc. What is lacking isn't the coding skill but the soft skills to deploy it.

Hahahahah that's not what's wrong with software

Why choose one? Neither are mutually exclusive.

Nope, I do not. I do not like to work and I prefer to just pursue a phd rather than to get a job. Getting more knowledge is more of a reward to me then getting a fatter paycheck that still is insufficient to be financially independent. It's why I don't like wagecucking since the reward is too low to actually be self sufficient in some sort of way. What's the huge difference between 1.5 and 2.5x median income? Doesn't really give me that much of a huge lifestyle change. It's why I find wagecucking useless.

Making JavaScript library is not enough for entry level job? So what is enough?

Np man was just asking as I was going to start to search for a junior position myself when I go take my CS msc in the uk in a couple of months

This is a fat ass lie.

Having industry knowledge. For example, if you work for a banking company, you should know a little bit about banking. Simply knowing how to program is not that.

This is only true if you work for shitty "more chiefs than natives" middle managed shitcorps who just contract out to IBM, DXC, Tata or some other shithouse for actual software and IT.

>sloppy and messy
Doesnt matter if its clean if you cant solve the problem lol fucking retard. You clean your code up after

If I am writing trading bot and learn about TA in my spare time, does that count as "experience with financial markets" or something like that?

Spoken like a true manager
>just push it to production, we can straighten out the bugs afterwards

If you're a competent programmer with average or above social skills you're gold to companies.

I've met some very talented people who didn't stand a chance in hell at progressing, because they didn't do basic shit you would expect from a professional, like sharing their opinions during meetings and planning sessions, or taking the initiative to contact people about problems / suggestions they have.

I'm not the king of social ability by any means, actually I think I'm pretty shit at it, but it's fucking astounding how bad the average developer is at this shit.

I said clean it up you fucking idiot. You can refactor it and make it nice after it does what you need otherwise you're just wasting time

Or you can just do the research and write it correctly and bugfree the first time, instead of being a literal Pajeet. This is the reason why I'm employed and you're not.

>Ever being allowed to go back and tidy up code that's working fine in production

lmao

Get it right the first time, this is how you avoid building up disgusting amounts of technical debt.

Wasting time is what you do when you're sifting through years of technical debt caused by taught boomer code monkeys who only cared about "lol just make it work".

I work for a huge broker company. I know nothing about markets. I still am a programmer for them. fuck off, hr. The lusers give the requirements. We implement them.

>Or you can just do the research and write it correctly and bugfree the first time, instead of being a literal Pajeet. This is the reason why I'm employed and you're not.
Lmao I can tell you're all LARPers
>duh just make it bug free
Christ you're really ten years old if you think this is possible for anything beyond the simplest of shit

I know for a fact you are larping if you believe that code that doesn't pass tests and a code review should make it to production and that it's just "refactor it afterwards lol" once it has made its way into the master branch.

You're really larping if you think anywhere has proper test coverage and valuable code reviews.

Code reviews mean the code looks up to spec and contains no obvious errors. It can't save you if the business logic asked for is fucked.

t. pajeet

((()))

There is no shortage of anything. This is just bullshit universities spread to trick you into enrolling.

THIS

It took me a good 2.5 months to land a job after college. And mind you the project I'm working on is utter bullshit black box testing with a framework that doesn't even work.

I have skills in embedded programming but for some reason my boss doesn't seem to think I can program.

The shortage is a lie. What they mean is:
>There is a shortage of high quality programmers who will work in shit conditions for extremely low pay

There's no shortage of "programmers": i.e., Pajeets that can spit out some crappy Java/PHP CRUD code.
There is a shortage of good programmers though, which is what most companies actually need. This is why you keep getting rejected, Anonymous.

>listening to the /v/tards trying to convince themselves that they'll get 10 job offers a day with their game design degree and everyone who doesn't immediately get one must be retarded
The market is saturated and it gets worse every day, regardless of whether some sunk-cost college kid believes it or not. Learn code to write code for your own sake but don't bother trying to make a career out of it unless you've got connections.

Embedded programmers are among the worst programmers though, so that's probably why.
t. embedded programmer

but companies outsource like crazy, my dude. the thing is i don't think it's because there is shortage of programmers. it's more likely that programmers are really overpaid in states compared to everywhere else. why would you pay more for some tard straight out of university when you could pay 5x less to some eastern european village kid?

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>it's more likely that programmers are really overpaid in states compared to everywhere else
This
Expecting to get paid 150-200k a year for something a Ukrainian slave can do for 30k a year means that companies outsource like crazy.

Sales is the only position with a future. Codemonkeys will soon be outsourced 100% and more and more managers are given the choice to either move to Hyderabad or GTFO.

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there is no shortage when curriculums are dumbed down to retard level so everyone can get a cs degree

What is a good programmer then?

there is a shortage of people with exactly 5-15 years of experience who are willing to work for less than 50k a year

But trump just imported 17K pajeets.
You clearly dont know much user, and for that we laugh at you
hahaa

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Do tech companies WANT to hire women? Wondering if people are open to hiring female software engineers or no

thanks for this.

do they really care about social skills that much? or coding prowess?

They do. It looks very good when somebody comes along and sees "oh! so many women there! what an inclusive non-sexist unbiggoted woke company!".

>Having industry knowledge is required for an entry level job
imagine being this delusional about entry level jobs. they're marked entry level for a reason, idiot.

srs who is it?

>Not likely so. There could be a super autist who just doesn't go outside and thus can not be recruited.
a bit like Linus, I can't imagine him being bossed around by anyone.

Really? I find it so hard to believe that companies will hire females just to boost their diversity image and sacrifice other similarly-qualified talents.

I'm actually afraid of the reverse. I'm a woman studying software dev (no, not trans - and inb4 ree roastie) but I feel like no matter how good I am, I won't be hired because I will be stereotyped against and even if I'm fluent in creating, code, and social skills, they will look down on me because I'm a girl and always believe that I am inferior. That I would not be a valuable asset to their company.

If what you say is true, I appreciate the hope.

tits or gtfo

your self-image is your worst enemy.

Developer positions are not entry level positions. They require a degree from higher education. Calling developer positions "entry level" is a total misnomer. Working at a call center is fucking entry level. Working as a cashier is entry level. A job that requires training and a degree and in some cases certifications is by no standard entry level.

Don't drink the tumblr kool aid, keep your head up and you'll be fine. And if you're not you're probably working in a shitty atmosphere.

Thank you.

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Any unusually strict hiring post is almost always intended for nepotism or H1B fraud

>they're marked entry level for a reason, idiot.
5+ years of experience user.

>entry level
>5+ years of experience
in what world?

in ours.

i drank a lot of coffee :)

part of me wants to do something useful like farming but i'm a hikkineet with no money for land, seeds, equipment (though don't want a shitty destructive gmo megafarm)

>muh Kaczynski
>if you can't touch it, it's useless