Fediverse General

Its not about twitter vs instagram (or about names - you may not be able to get the same one on instagram that you had on twitter if you come later etc)., as those are two different centralized proprietary services.

And the software for everything mentioned here as part of the Fediverse is free and open, a major reason why its better than simply moving from shitty MySpace to shitty Facebook to the next shitty proprietary thing .

>PeerTube ( joinpeertube.org/en/ )
framatube.org/videos/watch/626da0a4-5d86-4f2c-a7e8-39ece9214d18
ok this is pretty based but can it handle modern high resolution high bitrate videos?

rosenzweig.io/blog/the-federation-fallacy.html
tl;dr people will hop on the most crowded server -> welcome back to centralization
Thoughts?

>hop on
what if there was no choice of server and everything was transparently shared among all?

My point is whats the difference between moving from instance to instance and social media platform to social media platform?

This is exactly right

Then the entire thing is effectively a centralized social media platform

Fediverse would be good if half the userbase weren't trannies.

I wished stormfags would leave Jow Forums alone already.

Indeed it can. It also uses webtorrent as a backend so it spreads out the bandwidth requirements even beyond the servers. Of course, if a user (client) can't make use of webtorrent for one reason or another they can still view the content directly from the server. Considering that YouTube itself is a money sink for Google (ie it is not profitable, they maintain it with profits from other shit) , PeerTube is likely the best way to make a real alternative to YT vs any of the other centralized sites or something based on a crypto (which brings other problems). I know it can handle 1080p and 1440p content with ease; I've not tried 4K but yeah it seems to work well and supports most common codecs for high quality modern content these days.

This is less of an issue considering that different sites open and close their registration, not to mention actual understanding of federation. Of course people will gravitate to the largest when they are used to the "if its not on my server, I won't see it" centralization idea, but its much like email - people will spread out among varying servers based on what they value, what features they offer, ethics etc.

There are already many servers besides the "largest" ones that are thriving and provide good content, be they specialized or generalist etc.

A completely peer to peer setup doesn't work well for social media due to scaling among other issues... People need to be able to set up groups, content, flag what they want and what they don't, know where to find their data and where to share etc. Fediverse protocols allow you to in many cases (ie Diaspora) not just to self host or keep your info/content on an instance, but keep it locally as well and revoke privileges etc... but to do this globally (ie where everyone on the network literally has everyone else's data invisibly encrypted from them etc) is another issue different from social networking.

Moving from instance to instance is only required if for some reason you dislike the rules of the instance and want to make somewhere else "home". You don't need to change instances to see and interact with content and users on other instances. Also, if you leave one instance you can take your info with you (Diaspora, Hubzilla, Friendica and a few others are notable for this, mainly the sites beyond simple microblogging) so you have control of your data.

This is a difference from moving platform to platform - everything happens within a walled garden and if you leave it, everything (including your data in most cases) is left behind before you find a new one to set up elsewhere.

He's literally not wrong. Everyone using Mastodon and Pleroma are huge faggots or anime retards. Normal people won't touch it with a ten foot pole.

"Normal people" (or NPCs in conservatard speak) won't touch it because they dont know about it yet - they're on Facebook and Twitter because that's whats popular and big media endorses. Major network effect for over a decade etc.

early adopters of the the Fediverse is more likely to be used by those who for some reason or other are aware of it and interested - maybe they're Linux / free software loving types, maybe they are those with political interests in openness, freedom, privacy , maybe they're just web-culture nerds etc... so does it really surprise you it isn't all grandmas with knitting patterns? Of course the latest group to arrive are the FREESPEECH (aka we got kicked off other platforms because we couldn't yell WHITE RIGHTS BLUT UN BODEN and its unair) groups, who are just loud and annoying but I'd still welcome them to an open source, federated system - you don't have to like or federate with their users or instances, but they have as much right to be here as anyone else.

Mastodon and Pleroma (for those who don't know Pleroma, GNUSocial, and Misskey are other fediverse compatible codebases for microblogging, not unlike Mastodon. They're mostly compatible with each other). Look at all the instances and they're not all "huge faggots or anime retards", at least no more so than this very image board. Its also worth mentioning that there is a huge Japanese presence on Mastodon and the fediverse as a whole. Many of the largest instances are Japanese hosted (ie pawoo for instance is hosted by one of the boorus or pixiv, there's also mstdn.jp etc) so seeing japanese, anime avatars and whatnot isn't; unexpected. Of course, ever since Gab switched over to usin Mastodon (though I'm pissed at them for not using and contributing to the mainline development. I think they not contribute back upstream ) they're one of the largest instances of a completely different kind of faggot retards

Why do we need social media?

I don't think we do, actually. Or at least not in the common, post-Facebook definition. However, it seems a huge part of the populace disagrees. Oldfags like me who remember BBSes, usenet, IRC etc.. site/interest based forums, messengers etc... enjoyed those means of socialization, separate from meatspace entirely etc. However, there's a whole different generation who came here after "social media" arrived, and they're not going to be able to even use, much less be satisfied with the old way of doing things.

To a degree I don't blame them and advances in some degree are good (ie there's open source VRChat on Steam which is a fun social experience if yu've got a VR headset, but its still predicated on anonymity etc), but the problem is that Facebook, Twitter and the like came and fucked everything up. In the search of ever more money and data (from which to make money), they normalized slamming the Internet and meatspace together into single identities (seriously prior to that, parents told their kids NEVER REVEAL YOUR REAL NAME ONLINE. I tell that to younger people today and they look at me like I just shit on the street), among other things.

So they became monolithic, centralized, proprietary networks on which so much of our communication now takes places. People don't email or IM each other anymore, they send a Facebook message or a Twitter DM etc. All the groups, all the community etc.. happens there. Can't sign up for a contest or something without retweeting this and sharing that etc.

Thus we need harm reduction. That's the Fediverse - people want to socialize, fine. But we can do it without centralized, proprietary monied interests controlling everything and making money from it.

Everyone should just run their own personal instance if they want to get what they want.

That's fine and a good option. However, its not realistic if you're going to move beyond the geek demographic. Running or even maintaining your own instance (lets say if you rent hosting and don't have to install it yourself or configure it yourself) is still more time consuming or technical than most wish to get involved with.

That's why it works well federated. For every X people who have the interest in running a server, there are likely 1000X who would otherwise sign up and use an account on an instance that generally shared their interests and had rules they agreed upon.

lmao imagine being this autistic

I didn't say a fucking word about whether or not federation is good or bad. I just said nobody will use it because of retard trannies and animefags and it's a SOCIAL NETWORK. If it doesn't have people that normans want to communicate with then normans won't come to the platform.

Sperg.

>parents told their kids NEVER REVEAL YOUR REAL NAME ONLINE. I tell that to younger people today and they look at me like I just shit on the street), among other things

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>Thus we need harm reduction.
I needed this. Everything makes sense now, thanks.

Your original post suggested about trannies and animefags being the problem - I refuted that. They aren't "keeping" normies from showing up, they're just early.

As I explained, the early adopters are going to be imageboard underwater basketweaving posters or whatever among other categories. That's always to be expected. As the various instances grow, especially "general use" instances which have all sorts of varying users (ie as opposed to specific instances with a particular political or interest bend") normies will join in time, IF they are aware of the fediverse alternatives existing.

We've already seen this with Japan, as I was saying. Lots of Japanese (including more of their "normies" by comparison) have signed up for the fediverse because of pawoo and other JP language instances, plus other users making them aware of the platform.

Its just like Linux - there are lots more "normies" using it today than ever before, as it has developed and the early adopting nerd freetards have made it both accessible and let others know there's an alternative. Now there are regular people browsing, grandmas using Linux that their kids set up for them instead of Windows. Hell, its like Facebook - first it was only an in-group of students at certain universities, then it was invite only, then it was eventually open to everyone and spread out bit by bit with the enthusiasts and existing users bringing others in.

The same will happen with the fediverse protocols if given the chance. Lots of "normies" are pissed at Facebook and Twitter for various reasons but have no idea there's a decent alternative out there yet.

OK where on the fediverse do we hang out guys???

all over the place

You absolute monkeynigger I came to the Fediverse from an interest in Linux, free software, and privacy, but it's full of trannies screeching and that's annoying as fuck.

There doesn't have to be a single place and that's the beauty of it - you can be on one (for example) Mastodon server and I can be on another, but we can still message each other directly and see each other's content in our global feeds and likely (if our servers federate) our universe-server feeds.

Decide what kind of platform you want (ie Twitter style microblogging, Facebook style rich social media, Instgram style etc) and then pick a server you find interesting. Most main pages have a list of servers and information about them - for instance Mastodon's page linked above has a list of instances, their general features etc.. and then its up to you.

There are quite a few servers that are "cyberpunk" or otherwise Jow Forums friendly in nature, on many fediverse platforms, for instance. Not to mention "general" servers.

On the off chance you're not just whining for the fuck of it, this isn't very likely. Something makes me think you saw some rainbow flag icon or something else that make you sperg out even if they weren't doing anything objectionable, but putting all that aside...

Where did you sign up? If you picked a highly populated server the chance you'lll run into people, including those you don't really like, is larger. Are these "screaming trannies" on your local feed? Universe/server? Global? If its one person or even one server that bothers you, you can hide/block them from your feeds if you wish.

Really this just seems overblown though, unless you specifically went on one of the very clearly labeled "queer/furry/LGBT etc" instances and just decide to REEEE anyway.

Some of you here are probably aware of the privacy-related sites like privacytools.io and the like. Many of these are now offering Fediverse servers!

Privacytools.io - has a Mastodon, Matrix, and WriteFreely interest

disroot.org - has a Diaspora instance as well as a ton of other services based on open source projects, including NextCloud and all its components

puri.sm - The site that sells expensive privacy focused hardware like laptops and soon its Librem 5 phone, is offering a Matrix instance and Mastodon instance alongside other things in its subscription LibremOne service.

So the fediverse is growing!

Mastodon is fucking stupid and nobody uses it.

He's not wrong. Only crazy nutters are on Mastodon.
>Know someone that works on opensores projects
>leaves Twitter for Mastodon
>IT'S BETTER!
>5 followers versus the 50+ they had as an opensores twitter fuck

Just make your own then lol, stop complaining like some hoes.

Well of course he had less followers, its an issue of network effect. The smart thing if you have a real reason to be on both is to post to both and gradually transition. This is to say nothing for the value of followers potentially being very low quality.

Its going to take time for people to come over. Not everyone will and that's fine, but it can be a significant alternative to the mainstream low quality garbage that dominates the "social media" landscape.

cool thanks

Sure thing. Most project homepages (ie the joinmastodon page etc) have an index, but if you'd like to see more about the fediverse in general and a list of servers overall check out

fediverse.party/en/fediverse/

for overall info, but especially under the "server lists" category. These are sites like

fediverse.network/
the-federation.info/
distsn.org/

that provide lists and statistics about various servers including size and whatnot, protocols they use etc. Pick a protocol and list what you like and if you see a server of interest learn more about it - some of these indexers have a "comments/info" section where, if available, there's something about the focus of the server is listed.

>2006: Twitter is fucking stupid and nobody uses it.

This is what you sound like. Of course it takes time for a network to achieve critical mass.

That said, and I like the concept of the Fediverse, but a lot of instances are more or less crazy nutters. This is actually no different than Twitter, except that since the networks are so much smaller, they are a noticeable noise source.

But the lack of normalfriends also means that the Fediverse is largely free of corporate shilling at the moment, which is a net positive.

This user gets it. There are some instances full of nutters on all sides, but at least they're somewhat sectioned off and easy to ignore if you wish, compared to something like Twitter where they're all part of the same giant pool.

Thus the corporate shilling will also be able to be compromised and limited, so long as the various instances keep their eyes open. Many, even smaller instances I've seen have a rule against bots/brands/non-human presences and a lot of the other corporate shilling nonsense. I've seen some instances default non-federation-list silence or block other instances if they get overwhelmed with spam and thus it contains the whole thing until the problem is solved.

thanks again

>try to install matrix synapse debian package
>do all the port and dns configurations
>it doesn't work
>"ok, maybe I should just use the brainless ansible docker deploy script"
>it also doesn't work
this shit is way too hard. why is the documentation for synapse all fucking scattered? I have yet to see a single guide that actually goes through EVERY single detail you need to get a matrix synapse homeserver working.

I dunno, I have a simple docker-compose setup and it works flawlessly. What exactly did you have problems with?

I always wondered what is stopping gookmoot from implementing webtorrent in Jow Forums, he could save a ton of money in hosting costs.

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>blocked a particular instance
Why not say its gab.com?

Thats just plain retarded, whats the point of retweeting something if i can't say my opinion about why im retweeting it in my own fucking timeline? No one is forcing you to watch my timeline to interact with my account, fuck off nanny state retards.
Im glad gab.com exists.

Decentralizing content while anchoring it to centralized services is retarded, true P2P internet is being developed at a rapid pace right now, see 2 years tops until there is a complete replacement to your entire online experiences with a easy to use true P2P solution.

>Mastodon is fucking stupid and nobody uses it.
Unironically Gab.com is the biggest instance.

>uses linux
>something doesn't work
>acts surprised and blames the program instead of his shitty bootstraped bloated commie OS
Jow Forums everybody

Linux is a kernel. You probably meant the GNU OS.

Who gives a fuck retard?

Read their breakdown on the Mastodon dev site regarding retweets vs their "boosts" . The point is that you can boost a message to promote and spread the content if you choose, but that's it. You can editorialize in another post on your feed if you want, but people don't realize that Twitter is designed to foster a certain kind of continued engagement for advertising and data mining reasons. That include the ability to retweet and the point and REEE , the aforementioned outage culture. Boosts are an attempt to allow people to spread content they feel is of value without specifically commenting on it in the same post, so people only spread things they want to be shared ideally, not things they hate simply to start brigading etc.

>no pleroma
you disappoint me, op

Pleroma and many others are listed on the sites I provided. Mastodon is probably the most popular and perhaps full featured microblogging Fediverse solution. Pleroma and GNUSocial are good alternatives of course and mostly compatible not just as Fediverse protocols users but even for the microblogging sub category. Why do you prefer Pleroma ?

Zeronet and all that are all well and good ( I object to those that require a blockchain asset for a variety of reasons but regardless ) but they're dealing with a different issue entirely and are a lot farther away from usability for a variety of reasons. They're still worth pursuing for other reasons but when it comes to social networks especially vs the mainstream the Fediverse platforms are far more advantageous for user uptake.

In theory if zeronet or any other darknet really took off, these Fediverse platforms could operate inside it as well, similar to how some sites have both onion and clearnet addresses

I should also mention that it isn't an issue of your timeline it's boosting another post. You can put whatecer you want into a private message, or your own timeline, but boosting is taking another post and replicating it among other public ( be it local or universal) timelines. Besides if you're bothered enough about something you can either create a whole new post or follow up your boost with a comment in the next post.

It seems reasonable and has nothing to do with nanny state this of any other pol-tard that. It's just a reasonable design decision and in fact Gab works this way ever since they switched to using Mastodon

The difference is that you are moving to a completely different place when you move from twitter to instagram, where your friends/people you follow may not use. While moving to a different instance on federated services only moves you, and you can keep following the same people and have the same friends without them needing to move as well.

A better example might be youtube. If you get banned on youtube as a "creator", all of your followers would have to move to the new service. If you get banned on a federated instance, people would only have to subscribe to your new "channel" and they would be able to remained subscribed to the other channels they follow. That wouldn't be possible on youtube as ban evasion is bannable.

Also since centralized servers are very expensive, they will all ban any controversial opinion that might affect ad companies opinions while federated services do not have such obligations.

I'm curious how he would do it . Would it even apply to imageboards?

I mean what data would be shared via webtorrent,? It isn't like there is a ton of high bandwidth media here like video and audio...at lest on most boards it's not. Would it be useful for pictures and webms? How would it spread out the load of bandwidth using content on something as fast moving and temporary as an imageboard?

Perhaps it could work but I've not run an imageboard so I'm not sure the particulars and how they'd be served by webtorrent

>Would it even apply to imageboards?
Just how millchan does it on ZeroNet, but with a "seedbox" which would be the current server.

Back to Jow Forums you mongoloids

Dilate.

>Why not say its gab.com?
This was hilarious. A dozen of instances with ~500 users blocked Gab, which has about a million accounts.

>looks like

isn't Urbit the future?

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It's already compromised by SJWs who ban groups they don't like. Hard pass.

how does it make you feel that Gab is the largest node? how does it feel to be cucked by literal boomers who can barely switch on a computer?

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gab are a bunch of cringy weenies but it btfos the sjws so idc

does any other node federate with gab? i'm guessing some of the pervert asian nodes don't care about Californian politics but not sure

>go to free speech p2p website
>post loli/say n word
>get banned
>freedom stolen

why is this allowed?

1. start brain
2. go to instance where this shit is welcome
3. ????
4. faggot

Is gab Jow Forums?

Fedi can be comfy if you avoid all the tranny shit. Find an instance that doesn't give a fuck about sjw politics and you're good to go.
Also the gab drama was hilarious. A bunch of tears for nothing.

You seem not to understand the concept of federation. If you would, you wouldn't post this nonsense.

Leave this board already. Go blame trannies and the joos over at Jow Forums.

Felt attacked?
I'm sure you love your little wars between neo-commies and who they call "tankies". Same goes for your tranny drama. But guess what even people who aren't poltards don't like it.
Guess it's time for you to use that block button ;)

yes, but more boomer than Jow Forums

>switter
>whore a spamming their ads nonstop in hope to find a trick

kind of. It's mostly magapedes and boomers.

Hahahahahahahaha How The Fuck Are Cyber Whores Real Hahahaha Nigga Just Walk Away From The Screen Like Nigga Go Out And Get Laid Haha.

Virtue signaling and brownie points are all these people have.

The idea itself IS the future, not sure about that software in particular, never heard of it until now.

They can't "ban" anyone, they just cut communications with them.
Its like you building a wall between you and your neighbor, you didn't ban him from the neighborhood.
Gab.com is the most popular instance, and they are seething because of it.

Gab is everything, all speech is allowed.
You can be a commie furry if you want, you won't get banned for claiming that dog sex is cool.

Federation is p2p at server level not at user level.

Dilate and join Gab.com

>never heard of it until now
What are you doing on this board then? It's not like we're talking about something new.

>no pleroma
Get your copypasta right.

Best fediverse android app? I'm not sure which one to choose.

>What are you doing on this board then?
I post in the P2P thread every day while you fags let it die, what are YOU doing on this board.

>we both like the same thing, we even got doubles, but fuck you anyway
classic Jow Forums

You use normfags platform to connect with normfags. There is already 4channel if I want to connect with rambling nerd losers.

loser cuck

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>if you're going to move beyond the geek demographic.
are you saying that the fediverse is aiming to move beyond the geek demographic? if this happens it will become another twitter and be worse the current state of Jow Forums. we need a barrier to keep the idiots out.

>P2P thread
It's dead cause no one cares, moron. Setting up a shitty shill thread and fucking off after isn't participating on the board. The fact that a p2p fag has never heard of fediverse makes you look even worse at that.

>i don't like it so no one does
I bet you think justin bieber isn't popular also.