>While employers argue that there are not enough workers with technical skills, most prior research has found little evidence that such workers are in short supply. This report uses the latest Census Bureau data available to examine the science, technology, engineering, and math (STEM) fields. Consistent with other research, the findings show that the country has more than twice as many workers with STEM degrees as there are STEM jobs. Also consistent with other research, we find only modest levels of wage growth for such workers for more than a decade. Both employment and wage data indicate there is no shortage of STEM workers in the United States. cis.org/There-STEM-Worker-Shortage
>New analysis finds no shortage of STEM workers in the United States >“The debate over guestworker programs is largely based on anecdotal evidence and testimonials from employers, rather than solid evidence,” said Salzman. “Our examination shows that the STEM shortage in the United States is largely overblown. Guestworker programs are in need of reform, but any changes should make sure that guestworkers are not lower-paid substitutes for domestic workers.” >Despite a steady supply of U.S. STEM graduates, guestworkers make up a large and growing portion of the workforce, specifically in information technology occupations and industries. IT employers look to guestworker programs as a source of labor that is plentiful even at wages that appear to be too low to attract large numbers of the best and brightest domestic students. bloustein.rutgers.edu/new-analysis-finds-no-shortage-of-stem-workers-in-the-united-states/
There is indeed a shortage of workers that are willing to work for sub par pay for top tier work. That's the shortage they're talking about. Companies are shitting themselves over the H1B/working visa changes Daddy Trump is implementing.
Thomas Taylor
>Is there a STEM wage shortage? yes
Jayden Perry
I don't give a shit about IT/ISlets, they're practically janitors
what I care about is if there's a shortage of workers VS a shortage of open positions for an electrical engineering major
Dominic Gonzalez
Yes, there is a shortage of workers who are willing to invest $100,000 in their own training for a $50k job that will be obsolete in 4 years.
Sebastian Cox
It's not always that bad c'mon now. My buddy went to NJIT for his degree and is making $70k/year working for UPS as a back end programmer.
Zachary Morales
Exactly. What is meant by "shortage" is a lack of people with dignity who refuse to be exploited at poverty wages for highly skilled work all for the benefit of shareholders.
Jacob Wood
>is there a shortage Yes. Americans think that college is a waste of time and money, and especially if you do any form of graduate degree. Meanwhile, tech jobs are becoming more and more specialised, demanding not only a degree in higher education, but in many cases a masters degree.
Kevin Reyes
he would get paid more to deliver packages at UPS + be in fucking epic shape
Leo Bell
except the only guys who drive the UPS trucks are senior guys, i.e. 10 years or more in the company. Then there are the hardcore quotas that need to be met of packages per hour or you get fired. Or Sit in an air conditioned office doing easy work and he gets unlimited work from home/sick days/personal time
Isaac Martinez
How much does college cost in the US, including the graduate degree you're thinking of?
Noah Thompson
$25k a semester is on the low end
Easton Rodriguez
It depend greatly on the college. Graduate positions are usually paid positions (through research grants), but the pay is shit so Americans think they are a waste of time because if you can’t get immediately rich from something it’s not worth doing.
Xavier Nelson
It's not okay when minimum wage workers fight for against exploitation but when it's skilled workers it's totally fine.
What a load of crap. Ship all the fucking jobs to China and India and let the STEMshitters get fucked like the rest of us.
Carter Powell
their fault for being poor desu
Lincoln Nguyen
>Minimum wage workers The entire point of minimum wage is to aspire for more, not to stay stuck in a minimum wage job forever. Someone delivering pizza or flipping a burger doesn't deserve $50k per year. They did nothing to get their job other than walk in and ask. Most of the IT jobs all required schooling, i.e. and investment of sorts. So of course they want more money. I'm not against an increase to minimum wage to try to match the inflation rate. But some of these people want stupid money to make fucking coffee at Starbucks. Get fucked wagie.
Ethan Young
fpbp Its the same shit in Canada. They're pushing "STEM shortage" but PEO published statistics that in ten years only 30% of engineers still work in the field. Its all about destroying any leverage knowledge workers still have, turning the skills into commodities and driving down wages.
Lucas Martin
ITT: Losers coping and incumbents trying to scare people away from their cushy positions
Adrian Foster
>graduate >find job, pays not too great but alright, gotta start somewhere >2 years in, project is outsourced, luckily find another internal position >2 years into the second project, project is outsourced, then shut down Really makes you question things once you walk over the coals yourself
Tyler Murphy
youre in the first category
Aaron Jones
No, there is a competent HR worker shortage. So many HR workers do not know how to hire STEM workers or what they should look for when hiring. Unless they do it intentionally for reasons mentioned.
Ryan Collins
People with no skill and no capacity to develop skill (i.e. no talent or intellect) should be able to survive. If there's no unskilled labor that needs doing that's worth enough money to survive off of, that's a symptom of a type of economic bubble, and industry reform is necessary to create a greater demand for unskilled labor.
Thomas Morales
yes, we can barely find competent developers
Nathaniel Nguyen
>bootstraps.jpg
Levi Bell
ITT: Losers coping and incumbents trying to scare people away from their cushy positions
Jace Evans
Just git gud and you won't be outsourced.
Kevin Hughes
>People with no skill and no capacity to develop skill (i.e. no talent or intellect) should be able to survive Why?
>just be the magical space fairy 10% top dev and you're set I'm 100% sure you don't even have a job.
Lucas Rodriguez
t. assmad 0.1x engineer
Josiah Anderson
Git gud and you won't be outsourced. It's really not hard.
Levi Wood
t. unemployeed poo
Brody Gonzalez
how about stop importing cheap labor period and raise a universal tariff equivalent to the difference between american and foreign wages on each country
but no, let's just fuck everyone equally because we've gone beyond 1984 not being an instruction manual to "Harrison Bergeron is not an instruction manual"
Isaac Hughes
Most coding jobs require no great intelectual capacity and might as well by menial work. You're highly educated not because you need a degree to write your shitty websites, but because of a degree bubble where employers ask for more and more qualifications simply because they can. Any retarded could be trained to program the shit you do on your day to day job. It's only demand that keeps SE salaries so high, but it's not going to last, because people don't actually want to pay low skill retards the kinds of salaries they pay now. The endgame for American software engineering jobs is the Japanese industry where programmers might as well be wage slaves. They want to pay you less because your work simply worth what you think it is. It's just economics.
Blake Roberts
plz git gud
maybe you got a shit job when you graduated because you didn't do any internships, retard.
Thomas Cruz
if your level of skill is such that it can be replaced by someone from india
you deserve it desu
Juan Reyes
Because I fell for the inherent worth of all human life irrespective of value to society meme.
Michael Wright
Not everyone can pursue further education to get better jobs, and isn't incapacitated, legally or physically, in some way that makes skilled labor difficult. Nevertheless, these people provide a service (serve food to the fat office fucks who need their priced-up junk food) and have the right to make a living wage like anyone else. This does not mean 6 figure and stock options, it just means you shouldn't need to depend on food stamps or have to share a room with other 10 people to afford a place to live.
Its a tad bit more complex than that. Fore example, IBM outsourced nearly 90 thousand American jobs in the last ten years. Does that mean there was a 1-1 transfer of American jobs to the 3rd world with the same quality but lower wages. Nope, several positions were created for each American worker. The quality got so bad (google IBM state of of Texas, IBM state of Indiana work, etc... most recently the complete failure of Watson Health) that IBM has to use western front-facing teams to sell the products, with actual work being "done" in south asia. And thats just one company.
Tyler Jackson
Careful. Your cross-hairs are literarily at 50% of the userbase here, possibly including yourself.
Charles Watson
You're a moron. An in state university in most non-HCOL states costs like 4-6k a semester for tuition. Not including the useless crap people spend their money on like school board and actually buying books.
Nathaniel Moore
Society evolved, maybe you should try doing it too you fucking monkey. There's a difference between greedy faggots trying to drag down people who are at the cutting edge, only to replace them with idiots who have no idea what they're doing with fake degrees from shitholes like india and russia and it hurts us when we're trying to compete with the chinese who have no qualms stealing any and all work they can get their hands and using it as a springboard to try and get an edge.
