Jesus' Crime - INRI At the time there was the Edomite Herod the great King over Judeah, even though the King must come from the line of David making his claim unrightful. So when he heard from the 3 Magi that they were on their way to greet the new born Messiah and king of Ioudaios (the descendents of Judah and original inhabitors of Judeah) Herod feared about his position and ordered every male child in Betlehem 2 years or under to be killed to keep his throne. Now the Messiah, Jesus, had quarrels all the time with the local authorities, with the Pharisee which are Edomites that converted to Yahwehism but perverted the teachings like we see the modern "Jews" do today with their Talmud. This all happened when when Judeah was controlled by Rome, with Pontius Pilates as the representative, but leaving the country semi-autonomous. So Passover came along and by law Pilates was forced to release death sentenced prisoner by public vote. They could choose between Jesus and the "notorious prisoner" Barabbas. The "People", the Pharisee, which are the modern Kikes, chose Barabass to be released over Jesus >20But the chief priests and elders persuaded the crowds to ask for Barabbas and to have Jesus put to death.
>22“What then should I do with Jesus who is called Christ?” Pilate asked. They all answered, “Crucify Him!” >23“Why?” asked Pilate. “What evil has He done?” But they shouted all the louder, “Crucify Him!” So Rome was in favor of sparing Jesus but the Pharisee wanted him dead. Since Pilates feared another revolt to break out, of which one just ended he gave in and let them execute him.
In the end he put a plague on Jesus cross stating his crime he was sentenced for like it was custom. >INRI >Iesus Nazarenus, Rex Iudaeorum >Jesus the Nazarene, King of the Judeans Recognizing Jesus rightful claim of ruleship over the people, that he was right about everything and at the same time declaring Herods ruleship illegitimite
On the reason behind the existence of evil and ultimately our purpose: First we must define evil. Evil is whats wrong in Gods eyes. God gave us free will, and free will requires the abillity to choose wrong, or else we would not be able to choose at all. If choosing wrong is evil then there cant be free will without evil
God creates Humans in his image, and he loves every one of them that is and will be. Satan, being basically a spoiled Child doesnt like us getting our fathers attention and thus tries to show him how lowly we are by corrupting us. He does this by bringing the fruit of knowledge of good and evil to us, which while likely intended for us eventually, we werent ready to eat yet as we were basically little babies in adult bodies. With the fruit now Eaten we had to learn of both, Good and Evil. We knew good from our father and from being in Eden, but what was missing is Evil. The best way to learn is to experience, thus we have to experience evil to learn of it, and we couldnt have evil in Paradise thus were send out, possibly falling from a spiritual state of existence into this mortal and material state. This world is sandbox/a tutorial so to speak. A containment reality where we can fuck around without being able to fuck up cosmically. Here we are meant to experience Evil, and Satan trying to corrupt us still is doing so by unleashing every plague he has up his sleeve onto us that we may fall from faith while simultaniously subverting what good and evil is. God loving and trusting us lets this happen since its the best way to learn of evil for us in the first place, and because he knows we will still praise God after everything. This is essentially the story of Job on a global scale.
Basically we are meant to learn good choices, and what this good actually is
Let's see how long it takes this time before kike mods fuck up this Redpill thread.
Bentley Moore
kikes are not israelites nor semites but the Edomites that lived in judeah en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edom >The Edomites first established a kingdom ("Edom") in the southern area of modern Jordan and later migrated into southern parts of the Kingdom of Judah ("Idumea", or modern southern Israel/Negev) Eventually they were forced to convert >They were again subdued by John Hyrcanus (c. 125 BC), who forcibly converted them, among others, to Judaism
And around that same time the Pharisee that follow the oral law en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pharisees >The Pharisees preserved the Pharisaical oral law in the form of the Talmud like we have today the kikes follow the Tal Mud and which was repeatedly rebuked by Jesus, telling them they are children of Satan.
Now Edomites are the descendents of Essau, the brother of Jacob/Israel who decided to wage war his brother and his people. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edom >The Hebrew word Edom means "red", and is derived from the name of its founder Esau
Now to do this Essau joined Amalek en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amalek >According to the Bible, Amalek was the son of Eliphaz (himself the son of Esau, ancestor of the Edomites)
Which thus, together with Essau became the Edomites (plus a couple other things mixed in likely). The Amalek are known as Israels nemesis and who fits the whites nemesis better than the kikes? The Amalek are a canaanite tribe. Canaan is the son of Ham who was one of the three sons of Noah (Abraham coming from Shem, S(h)emites). Now the Hamites are traditionally black and indeed canaans curse hints to him becoming a slave like the blacks did. Furthermore i believe the biblical first black (can go into this) was Cain, who himself was the son of Eve and the serpent. This is the line of kikes, those that say they are jews, but are liars instead. The Synagogue of Satan and they came through the Hamitic line, thus are basically white skinned niggers
from Flavius Josephus documentacatholicaomnia.eu/03d/0037-0103,_Flavius_Josephus,_De_Bello_Judaico,_EN.pdf >2. For there are three philosophical sects among the Jews. The followers of the first of which are the Pharisees; of the second, the Sadducees; and the third sect, which pretends to a severer discipline, are called Essens. These last are Jews by birth, and seem to have a greater affection for one another than the other sects have.
so the closest relation the kikes have to the israelites is through Esau who mixed himself into the canaanites
Esau originally had the birthright to take over the tribe as a first born. However after a day of work on the field he went inside and asked his brother for something to drink or eat, for which Jacob demanded Esaus birthright. Esau agreed, and thus got what he wanted and Jacob got the birthright from Esau. However after this Esau wanted it back, Jacob didnt want to return it, and thus Esau parted from his family, joined a canaanite tribe that became known as Amalek (the Israelites nemesis) to wage war on Jacob/Israel. These eventually (likely with a couple others mixed into) became the Edomites which are todays Kikes. And to this day they still demand the birthright back from Israel (The white man). Their hate of whites is actually envy, they want what we have. Thats why they undergo plastic surgery to appear more european, take on germanic last names and yiddish is even just some fake german. They try to genocide whites so that they can take their position of chosen people they believe they inherited from Esau, without anyone else being left to rightfully claim that position.
Other than the kikes however Esau made up with Jacob/Israel again eventually, but (((they))) refuse to follow the lead to this day.
You mean how long before they do their damn duty and axe this off topic spam?
Joseph Young
you mean do their job?
Jaxon Diaz
Purpose of Life Despite having free will there are things God wants us to do and not do, because they are good and bad. Now we have 2 options, either trust God or see for ourselves where the things God told us are bad lead to. Since we are ignorant jackasses that think to know everything better we chose the second option and now need to see that the fire is actually hot and that this bad. Now is the time where we are able to burn ourselves, learn that these things God told us are bad are actually bad and what this "bad" actually means, perdition and destruction, so that we realize that God was right about every single thing. This is why so much bad must happen, so we see with our own Eyes where it gets us and thus forsake it and follow God with our free will instead of through force. God could have corrected everything from the beginning, but in a few Aeons the next guy would get the same idea and try the same again, and again. Only by living through this now, seeing it with our own eyes there will noone be able to argue against what is good anymore.
Also think of the story of Job In this case imagine Satan as the older brother. He is mad the we, the smaller brother get attention even though we are, on the cosmic scale, just sucking our thumb and drool a lot. So Satan throws a fit to get our fathers attention, and a 3rd of the angels agreed. Satan claimed we dont deserve the attention, we only follow him and praise him because we have all these good things. So Satan too has to learn about him being wrong. He is permitted to throw his fit, tolerated. He takes Jobs livestock, wealth, health, family and everything but his life. He will then see that he still praises God in the end, that the praise and worship is genuine love, that he was wrong about us Humans being such low creatures and that here too, God was right again. This is playing out in front of us all right now globally.
the true redpill is that the mods are agents sent here to make any discussion impossible and the mods themselves are the one making the christian spam threads
>they do it for free yeah right, they re on a payroal alright, just not Jow Forums's
In many cases the bible plays into the narrative of the different pagan myths, in Europe and across the world.
The bible actually doesnt deny the existence of the different gods. It just says that (most of them) they are not good and non of them are to be worshipped as they are below the most high. They are even directly mentioned: >12On that night I will pass through the land of Egypt and strike down every firstborn male, both man and beast, and I will execute judgment against all the gods of Egypt. I am the LORD. All across the world there are numerous cultures stating how "people" came (down) to them and brought them knowledge and some new crafts and subsequently ruled over them and often there is a direct lineage claimed from these "gods" on which they claim their ruleship. Now the Book of Enoch says exactly that, the fallen angels came to earth, they shared knowledge which in turn corrupted us. And they mated with our women. Here the account from Genesis: >1Now when men began to multiply on the face of the earth and daughters were born to them, 2the sons of God saw that the daughters of men were beautiful, and they took as wives whomever they chose. [...] >4The Nephilim were on the earth in those days, and afterward as well, when the sons of God had relations with the daughters of men. And they bore them children who became the mighty men of old, men of renown. >mighty men of old, men of renown kings and rulers, the children of the fallen angels.
Additionally to all this we have different stories of the (fallen) angels relate to that of the different gods, Michael for example correlates heavily with Jupiter/Zeus/Thor/Baal Haddad, Lucifer correlates with that of quetzacoatl of the aztecs and prometheus and somewhat Enki. Satan, which likely is Lucifer after the fall correlates with Moloch and Cronus. Gabriel I believe could be Mercury which is Hermes and seen as equal of Thoth
right? better to leave schizo christian ramblings like " he is coming...... " with a picture of jesus and no comment, non pollitical bibnle study threads or black cube /x/ shit spam up to bump limit, no matter how many people report them!
Theology has an undeniable influence in all politics regardless of faith. Concerning the regular threads on the Jews, Islam ,or paganism it's self evident on this board
Logan Ross
If the purpose of sexual union is the conception of children, within the confines of a loving marriage between a man and woman, does that mean that infertile people are not permitted to have sex? Or is sex ever acceptable purely as an act of pleasure, helping to bring a couple closer to one another in love?
Aaron Cook
In example Jupiter is also known like Zeus, throwing his lightning bolts or thor with his thunder also being lightning to some extent Zeus, as i see it, is either what God is in the bible or Michael which would fit since Michael is the one who threw Satan (saturn) down to earth as Zeus defeated Cronus. The way Satan falls here is >18So He said to them, “I saw Satan fall like lightning from heaven. So Zeus (Jupiter) defeated Cronus (Saturn) Thor (Jupiter) locked away Loki (While fairly antagonistic I couldnt identify him as a planet) Michael threw Satan (Saturn) down to earth with lightning. In all occasions its Jupiter is BTFOing Saturn (or in the nordic one at least an antagonist) with lightning In general I believe Jupiter is representative of Gods right hand man. Wether its in form of Michael or God himself appearing in the flesh like Jesus
Also Baal Haddad (Jupiter) is known to have slayn a serpent, Thor is the archenemy of Jörmungard, the worldserpent of loki that grew big enough to reach around the world biting its own tail making it a symbol for the world, but also being ouroboros which is a symbol of time that devours everything fitting back to chronus. Michael threw satan down to earth, the serpent in garden eden. Zeus killed Typhon a serpentlike monster that tried to take his throne of the cosmos.
Hindu Indra, Jupitarian deity, killed an evil Serpent with lightning bolts
I have to add here that the september prophecy makes a connection between Jupiter and Jesus instead of the sun. The prophecy states a child is born and is continued to be described like Jesus is usually, when it was virgo, the virgin, birthed Jupiter in the manner the prophecy told, and Jesus is all about rejection of the flesh, of the material and embracing the spirit which gives somewhat a connection to the lightning as its the very force creating the conciousness in your brain (neural impulses animating your whole body even)
When the snake(Satan) approached Eve again he told her that God was lying and that she WOULD NOT DIE if she ate the fruit. That she would know good and evil and become like God herself. That's why Satan's name is Satan the Devil. It's not his real name. Nobody knows his real name. Satan means "Slanderer" and Devil means Rebel. He was the first to lie, the first to slander and blasphem God, and the first to rebel. Why did Satan want Adam, Eve, and himself to rebel? Because of Sovereignty. The right to rule. Satan STOLE God's sovereignty over humanity by tricking Adam and Eve that THEY would be their own sovereigns themselves by knowing good and evil and "become like God." They would govern themselves and decide their own moral code. God could have destroyed the rebels but he chose not to so they could present their challenge.
>Can man rule himself and give himself paradise given time? >Can Satan rule mankind and be their God instead of Jehovah? >Can man bring himself into prosperity, peace, order, and happiness by himself?
These were all challenges to God's sovereignty. So God stepped back, let mankind rule themselves, while the devil secretly ruled them. God's challenge to them and all currently mankind is "prove it."
Yes, they can still keep trying to have children, but not cuckolds who get a vasectomy concerning it's artificial nature. Either they undo it or stay chaste.
Nolan Roberts
>making esxuses for a mentally ill cultist spammer shiddy diggy
I'm Catholic, but I wish you a happy thread, even though I think you are utterly wrong.
Sebastian Johnson
What about women who are medically barren? No sex for them or their husbands?
Gabriel Harris
Concerning mutually yes they can still have sex with their husbands, the whole intent is to be able to bear children in that union and also acts as a renewal of vows between spouses.
David Parker
we should look at some terminology used to name the gods.
El likely just means "high" or powerfull" and elohim (plural of El) is the group of supernatural beings that are that, high and powerfull, and once they fell and LARPed as gods (annunaki, likely egyptian and aztec gods too) elohim became knows as gods en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elyon > ʾĒl ʿElyōn is usually rendered in English as "God Most High" meaning that either el or elyon is most high, and El is likely high and elyon "most high" or "highest"
God occasionally is called with Elohim, which makes people claim there are multiple Gods in the bible, however there is something called the majestic plural en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_we Basically, to signify someones outstanding position in a field you turn the designation into a plural. the master of masters in a field would be called with the plural masters, same for the highest of the high, the elyon of the elohim being called elohim. In hebrew you recognize the majestic plural by the plural designation when its used together with a singular verb or adjective which is always the case when elohim is mentioned in relation of the one God. gotquestions.org/majestic-plural.html
calling God Elohim then means he takes a special position among the elohim which are his angels. now this also relates to some other verses 1The LORD answered Moses, “See, I have made you like God (Uses Elohim here again) to Pharaoh, and your brother Aaron will be your prophet. stating how moses got the special position among all highs to the pharaos. he most certainly didnt make Moses into multiple gods showing that Elohim is commonly used in Singular as well.
So „el“ is just a designation of something „high“. RaphaEL, MichaEL, GabriEL.
>(Job 1:8) And Jehovah went on to say to Satan: “Have you set your heart upon my servant Job, that there is no one like him in the earth, a man blameless and upright, fearing God and turning aside from bad?”
>(Job 1:9-11) At that Satan answered Jehovah and said: “IS IT FOR NOTHING JOB HAS FEARED GOD?" 10Have not you yourself put up a hedge about him and about his house and about everything that he has all around? The work of his hands you have blessed, and his livestock itself has spread abroad in the earth. 11But, for a change, thrust out your hand, please, and touch everything he has [and see] whether he will not curse you to your very face.”
>(Job 2:4,5) But Satan answered Jehovah and said: “Skin in behalf of skin, and everything that a man has he will give in behalf of his soul. 5) For a change, thrust out your hand, please, and touch as far as his bone and his flesh [and see] whether he will not curse you to your very face.”
After Adam Eve, Cain Abel, Noah Flood, Sodom and Gomorrah and RIGHT BEFORE the rise of Moses and the 10 Plagues was the issue of Job. At the time JOB WAS THE ONLY GOD APPROVED PERSON ON EARTH. That's right, nobody was good on Earth except Job. Satan noticed that for a while there always continued to be humans loyal to God and wondered why. He reasoned up above that it was because God was bribing them with rewards, pleasures, and nice things. That humans were only loyal to God for rewards and not for sincere love of him. Satan challenged God in from of the angels to "thrust out your hand" and "hurt" him. Deny him all good things and watch as how Job turns against him. "Skin on behalf of skin" means that a man will throw away all of God's moral standards to save their own life. So God has allowed Satan to inflict pain and suffering on humanity to prove that humans will be loyal to God IN RETURN FOR NOTHING.
Similary we have "Baal"s, where as Baal just means "Lord" en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baal >Baal (/ˈbeJəl, ˈbɑːəl/),[1][a] properly Baʿal, was a title and honorific meaning "owner," "lord There were many, earthly rulers called Baal, but also the heavenly, the different deities, all declaring themselves to be Lord.
Now we have God, he wants to reveal himself and the guy comes up saying "Who or what are you?" and since God is from beyond this world there are no terms of this world to describe him. Thus he uses earthly terms in distinguished ways. People are led by kings? He says "I am the King of Kings". They have Lords over them? God tells them "I am the Lord of Lords", they worship the Elohim, the fallen angels, the high beings, he tells them "I am the most high, El Elyon/Elohim of Elohim" using familliar terms in distinguished ways
Difficult question. Personally I believe the Bible teachers all kinds of sexual relations are bad, meaning the less you have the better. However we are told to be fruitful and multiply which requires sex so sex is a somewhat necessary evil.
There is also >4The wife does not have authority over her own body, but the husband. Likewise the husband does not have authority over his own body, but the wife. 5Do not deprive one another, except by mutual consent for a limited time, so you may devote yourselves to prayer. Then come together again, so that Satan will not tempt you through your lack of self-control. Implying that you shouldnt withhold your body from your spouse, so within marriage Sex for fun seems to be fine.
thanks, but feel free to provide your take on things. I didnt want to hold a one sided discussion
Ryan Cruz
>Basically we are meant to learn good choices, and what this good actually is By experiencing evil... you know, OP, that is actually a profound thought. It answers the old questions like "If God is so good, why is there evil in the world?" or similar questions. You really activated my almonds, thanks.
Thomas Phillips
Romans 5:8 kjv >But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.
But if the ability to bear children in such a couple is impossible, then surely its only purpose becomes the renewal of vows between spouses. In such a case, why can fags not have sex with one another, if they do so within the confines of a loving marriage and for the purpose of renewing their vows?
Christopher Lee
Everybody in this thread is hereby blessed.
In the name of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit, amen
Xavier Edwards
Blessed and breadpilled are you, user. May Jehovah God show you favor in these critical times.
>thanks, but feel free to provide your take on things. I didnt want to hold a one sided discussion We already have a lot of Catholic-Protestants conversations on cath/pol/ but they are very infertile intercourses unfortunately. I just wish that Protestants wouldn't ruin every single cath/pol/ threads and leave us alone if they don't want to debate in good faith. That's why I posted this comment in this thread, even if we don't agree with you, we don't ruin your Protestants threads, at least not to my knowledge.
On the Meaning behind "Love your enemies" and such: True love means you keep the person from sinning as it leads to his own destruction which you obviously wouldnt want if you love him. >10Our fathers disciplined us for a short time as they thought best, but God disciplines us for our good, so that we may share in His holiness. 11No discipline seems enjoyable at the time, but painful. Later on, however, it yields a peaceful harvest of righteousness to those who have been trained by it. it does not mean you let him do whatever he wants onto you or others, but that every punishment you do put onto someone comes from a point of love and compassion. >5And whoever welcomes a little child like this in My name welcomes Me. 6But if anyone causes one of these little ones who believe in Me to stumble, it would be better for him to have a large millstone hung around his neck and to be drowned in the depths of the sea. >would be better for him
If there is noone in the world willing to forgive and forget, we will endlessly carry on feuds and fights in form of revenge for all eternety. Its only when someone starts to forgive that this Cycle can be broken. And as Gods Chosen we are meant to go forth as a good example and make the first step. We are not meant to ignore and tolerate evil, but meant to overcome our hate, and give up what we can spare in an effort to break that cycle, but step up where its necessary even for our own disadventages.
Naruto understood thisGlad you liked it. But all I have comes from other anons in earlier threads that gave me info and views and God who led them into the threads and helped me understand and piece it together. I merely collected what was given to me over time.
yes, see "You will be like Elohim" does not mean you be like God necessarily but to become powerful and gain authority.
How do you think about religions that also have a most high god, like the All-Father of Norse mythology? Do you think that these most high gods are the same or is your most high higher than someone elses?
well, i dont like the catholic church either. But I dont mind followers of any denomination. Im just happy you found to Christ and try to follow him even if we disagree on how to.
Depends on the culture I assume. At times they seem to have only an aspect of God "identified" and declare it to be the whole en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manitou >Manitou (/ˈmænJtuː/), akin to the Iroquois orenda, is the spiritual and fundamental life force among Algonquian groups in the Native American mythology. It is omnipresent and manifests everywhere: organisms, the environment, events, etc.[1] Aashaa monetoo means "good spirit", while otshee monetoo means "bad spirit". When the world was created, the Great Spirit, Aasha Monetoo, gave the land to the indigenous peoples, the Shawnee in particular. Sounds like the holy spirit in example. Or Greeks seemingly recognized the existence of God, but were oblivious to his will or works en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unknown_God
Ocassionaly it is probably Satan trying to claim Gods work as his own.
>13 But woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye shut up the kingdom of heaven against men: for ye neither go in yourselves, neither suffer ye them that are entering to go in.
Parker Carter
>14 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye devour widows' houses, and for a pretence make long prayer: therefore ye shall receive the greater damnation.
If anyone is interested ere are some other readings all kinds of topics with the best info I could find so far. Chances are there is something you will enjoy
>15 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye compass sea and land to make one proselyte, and when he is made, ye make him twofold more the child of hell than yourselves.
Carson Johnson
Because aside from spreading diseases the act entirely is an act of disorder both mentally and physically as the sexual organs aren't meant to be placed anywhere else. Tearing rectum and other unique diseases occur. Concerning the relations between a man and a woman marriage is a sacrament that is meant for the procreation and education of children. It is ontologically impossible for a gay marriage to be valid regardless of what the state says being contrary to natural law.
Jayden Morgan
>16 Woe unto you, ye blind guides, which say, Whosoever shall swear by the temple, it is nothing; but whosoever shall swear by the gold of the temple, he is a debtor!
Blake Torres
I sympathize with you Jow Forumsyps. This is the type of thread that'd be traditionally permitted on Jow Forums, but since jannies are trying really hard to justify Jow Forums's existence based on their narrow conception of it being just "Jow Forums's trashcan," they just imptrash it over here.
>17 Ye fools and blind: for whether is greater, the gold, or the temple that sanctifieth the gold?
Carson Taylor
>18 And, Whosoever shall swear by the altar, it is nothing; but whosoever sweareth by the gift that is upon it, he is guilty.
Jason Gutierrez
>19 Ye fools and blind: for whether is greater, the gift, or the altar that sanctifieth the gift?
Hunter Scott
>20 Whoso therefore shall swear by the altar, sweareth by it, and by all things thereon.
Christopher Richardson
>21 And whoso shall swear by the temple, sweareth by it, and by him that dwelleth therein.
Luke Rivera
>22 And he that shall swear by heaven, sweareth by the throne of God, and by him that sitteth thereon.
Luis Hughes
Don't worry. It won't last long. We are always on Jow Forums. If push comes to shove we can always just advertise these threads on Jow Forums in individual threads for them to come here. Ironically, you will all have to become Pol's Witnesses.
Isaac Powell
Hey, it's no problem. Jannies don't treat us much better here.
Anthony Kelly
Pilate wasn't afraid of a Jewish revolt. Pilate was afraid of what Caesar would do to him after the Jewish leaders told Caesar that Pilate was allowing a man who claimed to be the King of Israel to run about freely. Pilate was threatened with death, and even though he knew Jesus was blameless and a political prisoner, he allowed the will of the leaders of the Jews to prevail, and had his troops crucify Jesus. However, he drew the line at guarding the tomb; he let the Jews provide those guards. And when the angels blew away the stone, and Jesus rose from the dead, the guards were knocked senseless. They were later told to say that they allowed the body of Christ to be stolen, and were each paid hush money.
Jesus' claim to the throne is perfect. He is a direct descendant of King David, but not of Jeconiah, as Jeconiah's line was cursed to never produce a king. Joseph came from the line of Jeconiah, so had Joseph been Jesus' biological father, Jesus' claim to the throne would be barred. Jesus is perfect in every way.
Jordan Scott
Zeus is just Adam, renamed and deified by the Greeks. They carved it in stone, in the Parthenon. Garden of Hesperides, golden apples, serpent, mother and father of mankind, the works. Zeus is just Adam. Saturn has nothing to do with anything.
