Where tf did Slavs suddenly appear from?

Where tf did Slavs suddenly appear from?

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From Poland obviously

we did not "suddenly" appear you dumb fuck. we have always been here, just moved further west when germanic tribes left vistula area.

Yeah, but where the Venedi came from then?

Are they Sarmatians or Celts?

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Genuinely curious. What are some notable slav interactions with the dominant forces in the years BC? Any wars with Greeks/Romans/Persians or treaties etc... Someone of /his/ said that Scythians were slavic.

Oh look. Our city still has the same name, Napoca

It is believed Slavs originated around the swamps of the Pripyat' river as part of the Balto-Slavic community that was influenced by Iranian (Sarmatian) and Germanic tribes (hence Iranian and Germanic loanwords in Proto-Early-Slavic, also darker complexion than Baltic people).

The most interesting fact is that the "demographic explosion" that is purported to have taken place between 7th and 10th century did not really happen as it would be biologically impossible to increase the population that much in such a short period of time, therefore scientists think the Slavic language was just a lingua franca of Eastern Europe, gradually adopted by different nations that had contact with Slavs who were used by the Avars as cannon fodder during their wars. For instance, Bulgarians have little Slavic admixture in their veins.

slavs are mongoloid steppe nomads BLEACHED by Based Germanics

It is hard to say because old sources are not reliable. Depending on the source, the same tribe could be described with a different name, making our early history very confusing.

It is said that Sarmatians came from modern Iran. Someone posted an image comparing Poles with people from Afghanistan and they looked like we were closely related to each other. WE are also super religious and stubborn, just like people from that area, but this has not been proved by any scientist.

>What are some notable slav interactions with the dominant forces in the years BC?

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vistula_Veneti

>Here Suebia ends. I do not know whether to class the tribes of the Peucini, Venedi, and Fenni with the Germans or with the Sarmatians. The Peucini, however, who are sometimes called Bastarnae, are like Germans in their language, manner of life, and mode of settlement and habitation. Squalor is universal among them and their nobles are indolent. Mixed marriages are giving them something of the repulsive appearance of the Sarmatians ... The Veneti have borrowed largely from Sarmatian ways; their plundering forays take them all over the wooded and mountainous country that rises between the Peucini and the Fenni. Nevertheless, they are to be classed as Germani, for they have settled houses, carry shields and are fond of travelling fast on foot; in all these respects they differ from the Sarmatians, who live in wagons or on horseback.[10]

Those people who embraced both Germanic and Sarmatian customs were obviously proto-Slavic. But no one in Rome paid attention to the language they spoke (especially that almost no one but few amber traders had contact with them).

Technically those steppe nomads bleached themselves by migrating onto Scythian lands

>Genuinely curious. What are some notable slav interactions with the dominant forces in the years BC?

I'd say almost none. Baltic tribes traded amber with the roman empire, that will be it.

>Someone of /his/ said that Scythians were slavic.
There is no evidence about this. these are just suppositions

>For instance, Bulgarians have little Slavic admixture in their veins.
but is there really such thing as "slavic admixture"?

it was like that scene in LOTR where they grow Uruk-Hai in mudpits

The Neanderthal hiding caves north of the hyberborea

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Actually this is kinda sad to think how primitive Slavs must have been that we have so few accounts from the ancient/early medieval era about them, no one in the civilized world was interested in these people until they started conquering their lands around 5-6th centuries


yes, it's when you look like pic rel

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Well actually, Slavs is the language group, not a race.

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We wuz Sarmatians

Roman historian Ammianus Marcellinus wrote
>"Nearly all the Alani are men of great stature and beauty, their hair is somewhat yellow, their eyes are frighteningly fierce"

kill wh*Tey

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I think original Venedi slavs could be Germanic/Celtic peoples who fused and later on partially adopted Sarmatian language.

When they migrated south they fused with Dacians, Illyrians and Thracians forming a melting-pot there.

In the north-east Slavs fused with the Sarmatians a bit more and the native Volga-Finnics.

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I don't think it's primitive that they only came into the spotlight in the 6th century. It's just that, correct me if I'm wrong, most ancient civilizations thrived in the Mediterranean and the Levant and, of course, the far East to a lesser extent.

They came primarily from the Pripet Marshes and the area east of the Pripet Marshes around the Dnieper.

These marshes could sustain a large population of Slavs. For example, in this photo we can see thousands of reeds which were used as breathing apparatuses for Slavs living underwater. That's a lot of Slavs.

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I heard that it was Ukraine, why is this still a problem with modern genetics?

Shit map desu

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Slavs had ZERO interactions with the dominant forces in the years BC. In fact, they were completely irrelevant to the dominant forces until the 6th Century AD.

The Vistula Veneti were either Balts, Celts, or some other related people who were very similar to Celts.

Ah yes, Arkhangelski aren't Slavs, forgot about that.

They're half fin half slav

Eastern Europe is just a transit zone between Europe and China, their DNA changes depending on who recently raped who.

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And Karelia isn't Finnish/Karelian anymore
I also should color Slavic Central-South Siberian agricultural belt and Far East, but it's out

>The Vistula Veneti were either Balts, Celts, or some other related people who were very similar to Celts.

The customs described by Tacitus don't really appear to be Celtic

Why is Komi Slavic in this map? They are closer to uraloids than to slavs

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>Why is Komi Slavic in this map?
Are you stupid?

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fun fact, while Balts are coloured as part of N Y-DNA on this map, they're actually genetically closer to Volga Finns than to Balto-Finns.

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Komi are Asian, Finns are Paleo-European.

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the Zyrianes, not Permyaks

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we came from Volga but we're not slavs trollface.jpg

Я пpo зыpян гoвopил

dafuq is this?

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>Murmansk 100%
Wtf

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Famous Plattslavs.

They always lived there in the forest, being the bitches of every steppe race that came over them. Then the germanics all went west and the steppeniggers all went west and everybody got killed off so they could finally be relevant and come out of the forest.

You're slavs too. Same family.

Shut it down

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Nooo

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20 billion years ago - the beginning of the universe
15 billion - the formation of the Solar system and the planet Earth
4 billion - the beginning of life
500 million - the emergence of first humans (both yellow race and modern people)
30 million - apeman (Java Man) appears
25 million - reappearance of modern humans in the area of modern Iran
5 million - Homo Erectus appears in Africa
100000 years ago - Neanderthals appear
40000 - formation of the Russian ethnos in the upper Mesopotamia
30000 - Russians advance into middle Mesopotamia and Arabia
25000 - migration to the Northern Balcans, Black Sea Coast, farther to the north and into Europe
15000 - Russians migrate through the Caucasus
10000 - emergence of the largest Russian state - Troy
9000 - creation of the Russian script in the area of Northern Black Sea Cost, Dnieper and Carpats. The Book of Veles is written, - the first written history of Russian people.
8000 - rise of the largest Russian city - Asgard
7000 - Rama's expidition to the east and to India. Creation of the Vedas
6000 - new wave of migration to the north
5500 - Second migration of Russians to Mesopotamia and to India through the Hindu Kush mountains. The rise of Harappa and Mohenjo-daro cultures.
5000 - Russian culture reaches China and influences the Yangshao culture. The influence on the Aegean civilization, Northern and East-Northern Europe.

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4000 - Disappearance of the Indus River civilization. Russians move to the north-west of India (modern Punjab)
18th century B. C. - Third migration of Russians into Asia Minor and Balkans
17th century B. C. - Russians conquer Egypt and rule it for 150 years, influence its culture and writing. Gandash's army conquer ancient Babylonian kingdom.
13th century B. C. - Acheans raze Troy. 20 ships of Russians troops led by Aeneas arrive to the Apennine Peninsula. Beginning of the Etruscan civilization.
A group of Russians led by Antenor settles lands from Spree to Dnepr and up to Baltics, Creation of the Lusatian culture. In the year 1250 Judeans conquer ancient Russian city Russka Oselya (founded by the military leader Kiyan) and rename it Jerusalem. Mount Siyan and the Temple of Yav are renamed into mount Zion and the Temple of Yahwe.
12th Century B. C. - expedition into China and desctruction of Ying kingdom. Children of Bogumir and Slavunya - Dreva, Skreva, Poleva, Sev become the originators of the tribes of Drevlians, Krivichs, Polans and Severians.
11th century B. C. - Russians appear in the Adriatic. Venice, Verona and Vienna are founded.
Fourth migration of Russians through Thrace and Bosporus into Asia Minor and into Transcaucausia through the Darial Gorge
10th century B. C. - Rise of Russian culture in the Seven Rivers (basins of Rhine, Laba, Vistula, Oder, Neman, Western Dvina and Neva) with the capital on the island Ruegen - Velikograd
9th century B. C. - Rise of Russian culture in the basin of Dnepr and middle Danube. Kiev is founded.
8th century B. C. - Rise of Russian culture in Urartu under king Rus I.
Punitive campaign of Russians on Israel led by Gog.
7th century B. C. - Rise of Russian culture in Carpathians. Russians conquer and destroy Assyria.
6th century B. C. - Victorious expeditions into Belgium and Holland, conquering of Celts.

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This is the only correct post in this whole thread.

What do you think?

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Because it got changed by Ceaușescu in 1974 you dolt. Even the communists sought to continue the mendacious trend left by their ancestors, that is, to make us look as if we wuz latinz.

Cluj comes from Kolozsvar as many places in Transylvania have Hungarian etymology. Very little Romanian toponyms are of "latin" lineage and most of them in the outer Carpathian area are slavonic.

The depths of hell for all I care.

The Germanics were no more advanced, just located closer to civilizations so they got written about.

It's really a matter of writing. A reasonably functional agricultural society can exist for millenia but you won't hear shit about it unless they had writing or someone next to them did.

I prefer the work of Prof. A.T.Fomenko.
chronologia.org/en/how_it_was/02.html
chronologia.org/en/how_it_was/08_21.html#the824
chronologia.org/en/how_it_was/04_19.html#the20
chronologia.org/en/how_it_was/05_15.html#the19

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We're Balts. We lived in a slightly more northern forest and didn't ever become relevant.

Nice twists in his writing style with the Egypt-Kipchak thing. Thanks.

Slavs are just a rogue branch of Balts that went out of control.

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>when it's so hard to cope with your historical irrelevance that you just rewrite the whole thing
what a moron

Baltic and Slavonic language are simmiliar enough to be considered of onw origin so same langauge group.
You just split from slavs propably around 1000BC.

11th plague

Your map shows slavs coming in from the south and stealing balt land dude.

Which you will notice is quite a bit before 600AD.

I've noticed that Lithuanians love Slavs but Latvians don't
It's okay Latvians, you can be Nordic Protestants with us

An evil black scientist created them.

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Slavs are a linguistic group, not an ethnic one. It weren't people who suddenly spread, it were the languages.

From Indo-European tribes that started migrating to the nortwest of Caspian-Pontic steppe. Some tribes settled down in the ara of todays Poland, Belarus, Baltic coast and Western Ukraine, and some tribes migrated further west and north to Scandinavia ->these tribes would later become Germanics and Celts. Those settled in the area between the Baltic sea and Black sea would become Slavic.
Pic related, those titled Northern dialects would later become Germanic, Slavic or Celtic.

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Yes, Slavic originally developed as a dialect of Baltic on its southern fringes around 1000BC. In fact West Baltic and East Baltic are as far from each other as both of them are from Slavic.

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They are cancer. They spread like cancer. Kill all Slaves.

They don't have Russians.

Love of slavs is inversely correlated to proximity of slavs

It explains so much.

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>Barford cited Procopius as writing that the Slavs "are tall and especially strong, their skin is not very white, and their hair is neither blond nor black, but all have reddish (auburn) hair.

it's not really much still.
And Slavs aren't an ethnic but rather several people united as slaves and slaciv languages established as the main language between them all.

Remarkable is the little linguistic variation that the slavic langauge has and developed over time. What makes it look like it's less then 1000 years old while the spread and ancient-indoeuropean grammas imply an age of ovver 4000 years.

Also I know I will trigger Germanics with that post, but those are the most up-to-date theories about early IE migrations. Slavs and Germanics were way closer in the begining than today

He himself isn't a moron. I think he's a professional deceiver. I'm starting to see his ideas slowly leaking into English-speaking media in the last 5 years with the "Mudd Flood" and "Tartary" nonsense and this appeals to people who believe in conspiracies about faked history.

Procopius described Slavs which he encountered, and they sure weren't East Slavs.

I don't personally think Baltic and Slavic belong to the same group. But both language groups originated from the same northern dialects of PIE and additionally geographical vicinity made them borrow heavily from one another.

>Kill all Slaves.
>flag
user, you realize this includes Poles, Bulgarians and Croats, right?

>And Slavs aren't an ethnic but rather several people united as slaves and slaciv languages established as the main language between them all.
Ok and how does that make us Slavs? We are not part of this little variation club. The slavic languages are all more similar to each other than Latvian is to Lithuanian.

Balto-Slavic is a superset of Balts and Slavs, but that doesn't mean the set of Slavs is a superset of the set of Balts. No linguist or historian disputes the fact that these are clearly sepereate categories. Only slavic morons on the internet do.

It's because Slavs were confined to a small area for a long period of time. Among all the branches of Balto-Slavic they were the one that assimilated most of the others. We only know of Slavic, East Baltic and West Baltic, but there were likely way more condiering the fact that as early as 2nd C. ad. the Greeks could differentiate between different Baltic tribes.

That theory seems to have less and less support nowadays. In general it's hard to discern what is a result of borrowings and what is from common development. Though the small area of occupation that Slavic had for a very long time would suggest it to be a development directly from Baltic rather than a parallel one.

you ethnically just russians.

Even not linguistically.

I also want to add that it doesn't mean that Baltic is somehow "older" or "superior" to Slavic. Calling proto-Slavic a developement of Baltic is just a matter of historical convention. Likely having to do with how Slavs and Balts were Christianized separately.

Now I know this Turbo-Slavism so popular among Polish nationalists nowadays came here from Russia

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Azeris and shitcrainians in fucking Murmansk
thanks ussr

I am also leaning towards this theory, Lithuanian and Latvian vocabulary is so distant from that of Slavic languages so it's hard to believe they formed one language somewhere in the past both groups originated independently from. The vast majority of similar words between Slavic and Baltic languages are either typical Indoeuropeisms or obvious loanwords, linguists have a hard time finding words with roots that could be traced to that alleged common Balto-Slavic language.

Imo that's just a sprachbund.

>And Karelia isn't Finnish/Karelian anymore

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Sky, landed somewhere around Iran and spread elsewhere changing as they go, mixing with peoples they run into but keeping the language.
For example, here they mixed with the local Illyrians who were more or less same as Italians, swarthy but taller, so even today you see many people with slavic features such as the scull, eye color and blonde hair and sometimes even blonde beard and pubes.
Still barbarians tho

>Poles, Bulgarians and Croats
Casulties of war.

Giant space truck crashed into magical kingdom.

Draenei, pls.

I like how you added this disclaimer because you think Slavs reject that Balto-Slavic theory just because they can't accept that such an irrelevant nation like the Lithuanians could be superior to mighty Slavs.

Believe me, no one cares, all our languages stem from the language of a bunch of wild shepherds proto-Indo-Europeans supposedly were (which is a Lithuanian theory after all, kek)

Should import more Ukrainians

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You're mom is ethnically on my dick right now.

Why are you so butthurt about Slavs? The only Slavs you have a real conflict with are Slovaks. Your territorial disputes with Ukrainians began just 3 years ago, while you do accept Vojvodina, Slavonia and Dalmatia are Slavic

They were bleached by Slavs and now larp as white arjuhns or some shit while their tongues are broken as they utter their gibberish mongoloid chants.
They used to be an empire and got chopped up by slavs, they have every right to be butthurt.
Doesnt excuse them from being scum in general, maybe its economy thing, or geopolitical, i dont know, they dont like to talk about it.

Hungarians would be insane if they tried to mess with Serbs or Croats. They would be smashed, disemboweled and partitioned seven times with no mercy.

They are Slavs to begin with. The former Antes simply rallied behind the Hungarian court. This is what happens with tribes when they undergo prolonged turmoil, they assume a single identity.

I only see this one Hungarian butthurting tho. Poles have overall great relations with them (historicaly yecause Slovaks served as the middlemen over the mountain range so there was great communication but very little friction on the border).

Yeah, i wish Yugoslavia invaded Albania and Italy back in the 70s.
Just so that whole and real JNA did something useful.

Aliens. Natural space dwellers.

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>Yeah, i wish Yugoslavia invaded Albania and Italy back in the 70s.

what for? Ok, I can understand that Trst could have been annexed, but Albania? Why would Yugoslavia need even more shqips within its borders?

Yugoslavia simply needed to cut all ties with the Eastern Bloc, join NATO and the European Communities/EU, get rid of commies and become a normal, capitalist, democratic country.

Didn't modern Rus pretty much start from Karelia?

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