Capitalism was a mistake

stupid argument, we fought communism because it belonged to the rival superpower. It wasn't a threat because it was wildly superior, it's due to the fact that the Soviets were spreading their empire through ideology and we had to stop it. The Soviets crumbled under their own lack of productivity and plunged into deep debt, Gorbachev saw the writing on the wall and broke the Union apart before shit hit the fan.

Communism fell on its own.

They suffered because uhhh... Reasons... Not because of The US backed trade embargo, clearly not, it was their own incompetence, not the fact they couldn't access the global marketplace

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>africans and indians
That includes Finns

Why are communists not able to be self-sufficient? The capitalists didn't need communists.

The US wasn't trading with their half of the world either...

Its time to nuke USA,Canada,Western Europe and Scandinavia

>'s due to the fact that the Soviets were spreading their empire through ideology
So what? Why did you have to stop it?
Did it go against the interests of a particular powerful shadow government in your country?

No one who wants to redistribute wealth cares about those. What they mean is they want more gibs so they can spend the summer in some foreign country and have their kids have expensive hobbies like ice hockey.

>They suffered because uhhh... Reasons... Not because of The US backed trade embargo, clearly not, it was their own incompetence, not the fact they couldn't access the global marketplace
The US literally blocked them from accessing global capitalism, thus leading to their downfall is your argument?

Yes, they were invading countries with their ideology and forcing their markets to close to Americans which wasn't going to fly, especially because we owned 50% of the world economy in 1950 and we needed every market that we could get our hands on.

>The capitalists didn't need communists.
Would be cool, if there wasn't "Made in PRC" on every second thing.

hungarian parasite

>China
>Communist
They're state capitalist

It's a marginal decision, not necessary
China isn't communist
Quite literally, by embargoing them they say they don't need those countries, and see, it wasn't the US that collapsed

This isn't much of an accomplishment when all that the poorest 50% own is mud huts, rice fields and favela cardboard houses. I bet that your average upper-middle class person owns as much as the poorest 5% simply because there's so much poverty in the world.

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Love when Americans brag they always say that they brought down the USSR. But when you make the argument like in the pic it fell on its own all of a sudden. The fact is that America did absolutely everything in its power, spending billions of dollars and sacrficing millions of their own servicemen just to put sticks in the wheels of the USSR.
>Yes, they were invading countries with their ideology
So were you .
>we needed every market that we could get our hands on.
So you admit that you did everything in your power to stop the USSR.
You admit that all of it was done for the purely selfish reasons of a select few rich and powerful people that sacrificed many of your lives just for their benefit.
You admit that it had nothing to do with ideology.

How can any person defend this?

You're retarded. Even in America the top 1% own more than half of the wealth.

This. Also people who are in debt.

Since when am I American? Idiot Spain, pay denbts.

Easy. People who work hard defend it. People who don't do shit with their lives are in favor of redistribution

>selfish reasons for a select few
No, it was to protect the average American. We were a manufacturing based economy back then, which means that the US was extremely dependent on raw imports from other countries. closed markets = less consumers = less factories = unemployed middle class Americans.

so america did bring the ussr down?

Ah yes so those 26 people work harder than 3.6 billion humans. What about people and children working in factories 80hours a day for scraps. Don't they work hard?

Forced equality is as bad as big inequality. The Nordic approach seems to work best in this regard.

It's not about working hard. It's about providing something of value for other people. Uneducated kids are bad at being useful, and easily replaceable because they have nothing special to offer.

I just want whatever system makes me wealthiest at the expense of others

Kill 7 billion people. Problem solved, everyone can have a iPhone.

Yes we spent billions fighting the USSR but we didn't make it collapse, it did that on it's own. The US could've increased military spending indefinitely because of how capitalism works. The Soviets couldn't because that's not how communism works. They failed because we made them spend more than they could support, which is due their shitty economic model

this, anybody who says otherwise isn't western

>No, it was to protect the average American.
Who are you lying to, porky?
It did everything in its power to try to. That's all that is certain.

Wrong. I work at the steel industry smelting and processing steel and get paid $15k a year while the CEO of the holding earns the same amount in a day

good non argument Jorge

Those 26 richest people receive government gibs for their corporations and other ventures. And when they think that they aren't rich enough compared to others, they will organize a bank crisis where it is going be you who pays. And it's them who write the laws. How isn't all that, and much more, redistribution?

Stupid, useless idiots. This IS communism.

False

How many new useful ideas and scientists never come to be becouse they starve to death or waste their lives slaving?

>Yes we spent billions fighting the USSR but we didn't make it collapse
I pulled out a knife and stabbed a guy a bunch of times but I didn't kill him, his lungs filling up with blood were what killed him

A lot of innovators surprisingly slaved at a company and then founded their own

Every time there is a bank crisis the people who lose the most are the rich.

ou are right. It's 'only' 40%.

theguardian.com/business/2018/apr/07/global-inequality-tipping-point-2030

Why couldn't they keep up? It's not like the US ever had a problem with spending more

You tell me.

The funny thing about leftists in this country is that they would somehow gain from equality. The "poor" in Finland are quite rich on a global scale.

Yes i'm sure that companies love to fire their own workers and close factories because nobody can afford their products in a recession

The Soviet Union was literally defeated by a bunch of balts holding hands not the US army.

education these days is showing condoms to kids so no, i dont want them to spend my money on education either

Yea, gib all your wealth and I will redistribute it.

and there are even more bizarre examples, like average salary in Russia is ~33000 RU or $500 per month, while CEO of Rosneft gets 137000000 RU or $2.1m per month. Makes you think, huh?

in amount not in percentage, which is what matters

This wouldn't be an issue if your government put your taxes back into society. Instead the oiligarchs keep most of it and the rest goes to Putin and his henchmen where it stays.

You're wrong. But you're also Bulgarian so I will forgive you this time.

This wouldn't be an issue if your government put your taxes back into society. Instead the oiligarchs keep most of it and the rest goes to Putin and his henchmen where it stays.
Replace Putin with corporations and that's america.

it has nothing to do with taxes, problem is the ppl, they think they deserve it, others envy them
they should hang, nordic equality for everyone

Congratulations, you just described capitalism

You are wrong, but you underaged edgy retard so idc

Come on you are russian you know what to do tovarisch

Yeah, so? They worked hard over centuries to get there and they deserve it. What people don't understand is that the richest people have a long history of their ancestors working really hard towards accumulating wealth over generations. The fact that they're lazy businessmen now is irrelevant, it's an effect of past actions.
The reason why Paul Blart the mall cop living across the street isn't rich is because his ancestors didn't invest themselves enough into accumulating wealth and educating their children as best as they could. Paul Blart obviously doesn't stand a chance against the Rothschilds because the Rothschilds have been working hard since the 17th century first as simple tradesmen then working their way up to bankers over multiple generations, always educating their next generations of children on a higher level.
Mr Blart's family has been working for a little bit over a century without saving their excess income and relying solely on public education, not adding in anything themselves.
A redistribution basically means a reset to peoples' families' accomplishments so everyone can start over as equals. This is the commies' way of rebelling against the fact that they will never live lives as good as their children hypothetically could if they worked hard, so they don't work hard and demand instant gibs out of envy, immaturely calling the fact they're poor injustice.

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>tfw the only alternatives to crapitalism is socialism and communism

I hate this era we're living in.

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We have the highest corporate taxes in the world
>nordic model
So yes, it's the taxes

soon, brother.. soon

Yes and the rich on tha global scale are so rich it's inconcieveable.

Well then the US isn't true capitalism

its funny how finns are so audacious and simultaneously so irrelevant hahahha

>Problems with communism
LOOK LOOK COMMINISM IS EEEEEEVIIIIIL
>Problems with capitalism
Oh clearly it's just not real capitalism, it's the fault of uh... Something else

>We have the highest corporate taxes in the world
Would be great if those biggest corporations actually paid them instead playing every trick to avoid them. Sometimes even getting money back from the goverment.

I love the Le Corporatism isn't real capitalism instead of it being the inevitable progression of modern capitalism. .

Communism kills people through mass starvation
capitalism kills people through old age
totally equivalent you're right

Our federal government would collapse instantly if our corporations didn't pay their taxes. We have federal agencies designed to hunt down corporate tax evasion.
The US has relatively low income taxes to the rest of the world, but our corporate taxes are really high. In Russia, all of the companies are state owned and the profits go straight to the Kremlin, where the money stays there and doesn't go back to the communities where it was generated. The US doesn't work like that, we have a publicly decided budget whereas Russians have no idea where their taxes go. You really can't compare the two.

>rich guy owns 10 000 factories, businesses and buildings
>"if only we could use that wealth to help the poor :((((("

taxes

You have people starving to death and dying of easily preventable diseases and drinking water contaminated with lead in 2019 capitalist America, you absolute sperg.

I'm assuming that you're talking about Flint? That's due to their incompetent local government.

Capital owners want to pay their workers as little as possible while also maximizing their profits. 100,000 jobs means shit when you're not paid a proper wage to having a decent living standard.

>tax the rich to hell
>the rich move to a different country
>the factories either fall or get nationalized
>the government becomes the rich and poorfags are left with nothing

Or you could just tax the rich moderately

>We have federal agencies designed to hunt down corporate tax evasion.
Is that why Apple and almost all big corporations move their headquarters to other countries and manage to avoid taxation all the time? Curious

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>but our corporate taxes are really high

snopes.com/fact-check/amazon-federal-taxes-2017/

This
They can be nuked for all I care.

>profits in the EU
That's money not made here, but in the EU. Same with Ireland. All of the money that Apple makes in the US is taxed

are you going to tax business based on how rich the owner is?
that's just taking a dump on efficiency for an equality of outcome.
you can't justify a system that stops concentration of wealth in the hands of a handful of individuals economically
you can regulate so they can't abuse that power, but trying to avoid the scenario where wealth is concentrated is a stupid and undesirable

>Amazon did pay 211 million to state taxes
>amazon did pay 1.1 billion the year before
Did you even read your own source past the headline? They used saved up tax credits to get money on returns this year

No just tax them enough and make sure that the taxes go back to the communities to ensure that the wages for the average joe goes up.

That's not money made in the US. Why should the US get to tax that?

What are their names?
Rotschild, Rockefeller, Morgan, Warburg?

Did your parents buy you toys for Christmas while there are kids starving elsewhere? Good, you're spoiled, and your parents are selfish.

>They worked hard over centuries to get there and they deserve it
>imagine actually believing this
Please tell me how someone works for centuries to get somewhere?
Most people inherited their wealth and that's unfair and disgusting. Inheritance should be banned and redistributed by the state.

>5.7 billion revenue
>211 million taxes paid

Yeah, you're right, this system works

You are much richer by just being born in Germany instead of Rwanda. That's unfair and disgusting :'(

I just want to live in simple life in peace growing my own food and shitposting all day without any government stealing from me.

taxes can't increase wages silly