Does Russia have a future?

Nice joke

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Demographics isn't just about the numbers, it's about the growth. Russia has been "diverse" since they conquered the steppes, but that's not even what I want to discuss. I asked if Russia had a future, not only population-wise but also economically, scientifically etc...

But Russia has more muslims than France in both percentage and sheer numbers

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There is a difference between taking muslim lands and welcoming muslim immigrants.

Russia is unstable. What happens when Putin dies in the next ~10 years?

Only if the West will invest:

1. Money
2. Specialists
3. Technology

Otherwise we'll have an orthodox Iran in 25 years.

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Its future is stagnation.
People in power of Russia just exploit it as much as possible, including its population.
People don't like how they live. They see how shit are their surroundings, however they realize that if they would start to rebel it will lead to another collapse of the system and another 90s that people still remember and afraid of this happening again, because depsite how shitty our life today it was worse in the 90s.
The government understands it and they just keep doing what they do with no care for peopl in mind.
So as I said before, it will keep stagnating and being backwards shithole with indifferent people.

Idiot!

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>china is going to be the next superpower because they are in "second place"

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Putin dies without sucessor, commies take over.

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And what are your arguments for russia being the next superpower?

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>depsite how shitty our life today
It's not really shitty. It's not 1st world, but not 3rd world either. I can sit and do almost nothing, while having good pc to play, and celebrate new year in thailand fucking traps.

I hope Putin’s death will be the same for Russia as Joseph Tito’s death was for Yugoslavia.

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Why would it be? Russia has an absolute majority of Russians living there and non-Russians constitute a small minority, also Russians are the most "advanced" nation among all citizens of Russia, therefore these small countries that could emerge when Russia "collapses" wouldn't have a sustainable economy and wouldn't exist for so long.

Yeah, it is possible that due to a great turmoil in Russia few republics will declare independence, let's say Chechnya and Tuva. And what? Tuva is completely irrelevant and Russians won't even notice it (it will be probably annexed by Mongolia) while Chechnya is more like a burden than an asset so many Russians would feel relieved if it happened.

Russia can't collapse, because most of its citizens are Russians who want to live in Russia. Ukrainians are really naive if they think Russians from Novosibirsk or Vladivostok could declare independence. Independence from what, from their own national state?

Realistically only the Caucasus durkas could gain some independence and they'll turn into Islamic shitholes.

You want Albanianesque and Bosniakesque refugees in Ukraine?

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>Chechnya is more like a burden than an asset so many Russians would feel relieved if it happened.
Are you implying the average Russian would be glad that his empire is losing lands?

Pretty grim responses I got tbqh

Based and redpilled Ukraine.

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Go to Jow Forums and they'll probably tell you how Russia is a white Christian paradise and the future of traditional values or some shit.

Nah, they'll be secular Dudayevist republics.

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Well, hard to say what an "average" Russian would say (if "average" exists) but a lot of Russians don't want to have Chechens and other kinds of Kavkaz people within their borders and would agree to give them independence if they could remove them from Moscow and other big Russian cities.

Russian neo-nazis unironically want a smaller, but exclusively Slavic Russia.

Except the east will be bought by the Chinese.

When Putin finally fucking croaks, the country of Russia will pretty much collapse, when their economy turns to shit they will sell off lands(or lease it) to the chinese and then China will be to russia what Isreal is to America.

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The Caucasus durkas will slaughter each other which will be fueled by the Russians and the loyal tribes remain in charge.

>Putin dies
>Strelkov-tier idiot comes to power
>Ukraine left for dead

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They would have been, if not for you and your friends

Even with all minorities we are whiter than poles and hohols.

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>his national state
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Moscow is going to become majority Uzbek/Tajik and Siberia is going to become majority Chinese.

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Russia is too weak to occupy the whole of Ukraine.

They do not like Moscow. They consider Moscow a robber, who takes money from them. Putin's ratings are already at the 2006 level. So far this is a small ember, but I hope that soon it will turn into a fire storm.

I'm not sure you understand what it would mean for your country, Taras

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Is it too late to start learning mandarin?

Russia will possibly be the only white country left standing by the end of this century.
Our economy is only going to improve from trading with Europe and China, there's literally no reason why it wouldnt, our agricultural sector has grown massively to being one of the biggest in the world just from the sanctions. We've achieved our geopolitical objectives in Syria and Ukraine. We're building a new pipeline for closer trade with the EU. We have the most natural resources in pretty much everything. Our current regime isnt great but it will inevitably change for the better with time.
I hope we can have better relationships with the west too and put aside old paranoia.

>implying at least half of it won't collaborate

>fertility rate is even lower than western european ones
Still far from zero.
>economic growth
Numbers game.

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>the fertility meme

The fertility rate is now the same as USA, if you dont believe it just search the data

the problem that russia have is the population fallout of the 90s and its not like they dont have plans for that.

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>Russia will possibly be the only white country left standing by the end of this century.

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>ingria independent
No such nation.
>komi independent
Literal 30% state? Lmao
>everything else aside from Tuva and Caucasoids
Lmao(2)

Russia should import Chinese, promote race mixing, then declare themselves the heir to the Mongol Empire.

There are 28,943 Chinese in Russia due to 2010 census. This is 10 times less than in Germany.

>it will change for the better.
Kek, your people have been saying that since the 90s. Yet all you got is leachers and ivans tolerating it because, if you are anti-putin you are already dead.

Just getting your attention.
Also it isnt wrong.

We are heir of vikings, great mongols, and the best European culture of XIX. Without importing Chinese people.

>They do not like Moscow.

No one likes his capital. Germans hate Berlin, French hate Paris, Brits hate London, Poles hate Warsaw etc. etc. That's not a reason to call for independence.

> They consider Moscow a robber, who takes money from them

Pretty much every capital city is like that. Ask Germans what they think about the new airport being built around Berlin, the unbelievable amount of money was already spent there and it's still unfinished and needs more. It drives people crazy, but no one wants to separate from Germany because of such things.

>Putin's ratings are already at the 2006 level

So what? They could want to change the president, but not to declare independence.

Poroshenko is also disliked by majority of Ukrainians now and will probably lose the election. Does it mean Ukraine will collapse?

>if you are anti-putin you are already dead
embarrassing post
simply reddit-tier

> the new tsar drives thousands of people to the Ukrainian positions
> a sea of blood, the war sucks up all the resources from Russia
>the history of 1917 repeats, Strelkov and his whole family are killed by the communists
>to be continued...

Russian census data is the fakest shit in the history of mankind.

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>Kek, your people have been saying that since the 90s.
And our lives have massively improved since the 90s, doofus. Nobody complained about le ebil Putin while things were going great, it's just in the last couple of years that we've had problems because of geopolitics.
But he's not eternal, whatever you may think of him.

meme map

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>Ukrainians really think they could stop the Russian army in a full-scale war.

>official census data is fake
>here let me pull shit out of my ass
Right

Let them think

Imagine actually thinking this.
Even Moscow is 85% Russian at the very least.

They are not citizens, but temporary workers, dumb. And now wages in China are higher than in Russia and most of Eastern Europe.

The Germans also could not stop the Russians. But in the end, the Russians lost because of the internal bolsheviks.

Whatever makes you sleep better at night

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>not eternal
Although ludicrous, i have seen some russians claiming putin is long dead n shiet, or even that he has been replaced by an android or something. Is that a meme or some of you really believe it?

> But in the end, the Russians lost because of the internal bolsheviks.

They won the war in 1945 and lost only in 1990. Will Ukraine wait for 45 years under Russian occupation until Russia collapses?

>Russian census data is the fakest shit in the history of mankind
Blessed and righteous.

He made a point about ww1.

By the way, do you remember the Chechen? This bunch of mountain villages, without the military industry, resources, international support? Do you remember how many years the Russians tried to destroy them? Now Russians pay tribute to the Chechens. It makes you think.

No u
Also your screenshot doesnt disprove what I said at all.
>i have seen some russians claiming putin is long dead n shiet
Kek meme internet conspiracies dude, why do you listen to retarded people? Nobody irl actually thinks that kind of stuff. That's beyond Alex Jones tier, kind of semi-ironic fanfiction.
But yeah Russian internet conspirologists are a comedy goldmine. My friend recently sent me a video of some memester claiming that there are no ancient trees in Russia because of nuclear war in the 1800s and a global coverup of that war, (he sent it just for laughs obviously)

You are not the Chechen though. No insane tribal beliefs and religion, no mountains, no warrior culture, plenty of sympathisers. You are delusional if you think you could achieve anything like that.

It's happened only once.

> Do you remember how many years the Russians tried to destroy them?

Don't compare a mountainous region inhabited by ardent religious fanatics. Americans can't win in Afghanistan either. Ukraine is a different thing, especially that a big part of Ukraine wouldn't mind the Russian army or wouldn't treat them as occupants.

>Now Russians pay tribute to the Chechens.

meme

No Saudi gibs either.

They prove my point though. Russian census data is an unreliable source of information.

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Well, that came after the first war AFAIK

Who cares how many temporary low wage illegal workers are?

And further. You say that the Soviet Union was strong, and therefore Russia is invincible. But you forget one thing - the Soviet Union is not only Russia, it is also Ukraine, Belarus, Kazakhstan, Uzbekistan, Tajikistan, Armenia, Georgia, Azerbaijan, Kyrgyzstan, Lithuania, Latvia, Estonia, Moldova and Turkmenistan. Which of them will fight against us?

Nah, i didn't believe a word of it. It is just an observation, you ruskie have a lot of conspiracies going, well not as many as americans, that is.

How could you defeat Estonian army?

how could you?

But you are also not a Chechen and not a fanatic. Who do you think will have more rage and anger? those who protect their home from the Mongol hord 2.0, or those who will be brought here by a bald dwarf?

Say BOO! to them. Maybe twice.

>Russian census data is an unreliable source of information.
How so?

highly underrated post

No, Estonia is our brother in Russophobia, and therefore we will not fight against it.

>Does Russia have a future?
Nope. Russia dies with Putin.

It really wont

1. It's based on self-identification, so every Churka can call himself Russian (which happens quite often due to decades of ethnic russification)
2. Your census doesn't count the illegal immigrants, of which there are more than 4 million in Russia
3. You don't have the option "mixed ethnicity" either. This results in misleading census data, because most people in Russia are already mixed and multi-ethnic citizens just pick 'Russian' as their identity

The pics I'm posting are meant to show how underrepresented minorities are in the official census data

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Russia has over 50,000 rust bucket tanks.
They can simply throw pieces of them at Estonia till it drowns in rust.

Frens?

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The French took Muslim land as well. google.com/amp/s/mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUSKCN0RN1UD20150923
And Russians welcome Muslims as well.