So why couldn't they just farm and shit?

I'm sorry

wh*Toids would steal their land

They would have been better off if they just farmed like normal people and didn't hoard tonnes of land.

The ones in the East did, which is why they integrated early on. Those that didn't were outliers like the Iroquois, whose economy and way of life was largely focused on tribute and slave labor.

The ones in the West lacked the draft animals necessary to properly plow large plots of land (keep in mind that they lacked the horse until the Spanish introduced it) which necessitated a nomadic, yet agrarian, lifestyle that consisted of constantly rotating between plots over decades. Add onto that that the moment the Sioux got the horse they immediately used it to wage bloody holy war against every other tribe they could find (culminating in open hostility against the United States Federal Government) and the entire West was a fucking bloodbath of tribal warfare and migration because no one could ever stay settled, or at least nomadic within a given area, for too long lest migrants come by and try to take their land.

The Indians in the Great Lakes region developed copper working, albeit they used Native Copper instead of smelting, and the ones on the East Coast developed large scale societies (Cahokia) before they collapsed due to disease, migration, famine, and war about a century before the Age of Exploration began.

have some gold, stranger

They did farm, in fact it's probable that the mississipians developed agriculture entirely on their own (though it is still debated). What's sure however is that they domesticated a lot of plants like sunflowers, some kind of hemp, a variety of beans and others I don't remember now

They had 2000 years to produce anything of value. We conquered an inferior people and the land is ours.

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The great plains were terrible for farming. Literally everything would get uplifted from the wind. Chasing buffalo was easier. Eastern natives and southwest natives did farm. Ever heard of the three sisters? Corn?

The Huron farmed what they called the three sisters: Maize, Waters Squash, and Beans. Though shit like animal domestication is impossible because all the animals in the America's barring the Llama were practically impossible to domesticate.

>The ones in the West lacked the draft animals necessary to properly plow large plots of land
No, they were just too stupid to domesticate the animals.
Animal husbandry is like Level 1 technology, and the fact that the Indians couldn't do it is a testament to their savage nature.

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>we conquered them
You didnt conquer anything Pierre.

The better question is what were they thinking when they refused to farm when the US government wanted to settle them down. I know a lot of such cultures think farming is below a free man but that should've been revised pretty quickly after geting owned by an agrarian civilization.

They had wild horse there before they killed it off.

Also I don't buy the bullshit about impossible domestication. If an animal has ANY social instincts you can domesticate it. Donkeys socialize into pairs and don't have hierarchies, are willful and potentially dangerous but they were domesticated anyway.

>The better question is what were they thinking when they refused to farm when the US government wanted to settle them down.

Here's the issue

-Many were pushed off their land
-The land they were pushed onto was shit and on the margins
-Got no support from the state
-If settlers moved into their land the US government does NOTHING too say "hey this in Indian land fuck off"
-Even if a tribe was willing to work with the government they got fucked over too!

>They had wild horse there before they killed it off.
hindsight is 20/20.

>Also I don't buy the bullshit about impossible domestication.
But there's risk an much more factors in it. if you have all the time in th world, endless resources, space an patience you can domesticate Bears but no one sane would do that.

>The Huron
Wasn't it the Iroquois? AFAIK they were semi-sedentary and would typically establish their longhouse villages in settlements that would last roughly a decade IIRC. On ther other hand, the Huron were more nomadic and were primarily hunter-gatherers (which explains why they favored structures like wigwams).

imagine getting wiped out by this?

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Good one, comparing white people eith e. coli is a clever one.

Bisons ain't bears. See: You can consistently domesticate in very short amounts of time. Zebras or Moose were in fact successfully domesticated in a span of single experiments, they sucked compared to horses because they spooked too easily etc. but they were functional as pack animals. Early horses sucked initially as well. Foxes which are skittish carnivores have been altered by breeding friendly ones within decades to remove the suck. It didn't take an effort larger than what a tribe could muster and the premise wasn't super advanced.

The real reason is lack of environmental pressures on the injuns themselves, not bad fauna. They lived in low density and never completely ran out of shit to hunt.

>-Many were pushed off their land

They usually conquered that land from some other tribe within the century

>-The land they were pushed onto was shit and on the margins

Like fuck it was. US had and still has large quantities of land. >-Got no support from the state
Not true.
>-If settlers moved into their land the US government does
Not true.

You got nothing. The plains injuns never even made a real attempt.

Imagine being this fucking dumb

Taming wild animals and domestication are entirely different things

You killed 100M of them

>Animal husbandry is like Level 1 technology, and the fact that the Indians couldn't do it is a testament to their savage nature.
What animals did Europeans (whites) domesticate?

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Exclusively in Europe only rabbits and ferrets
Dogs and bees were domesticated independently in different parts of the world, including Europe

The horse, the cow, the bee, pigeons, ducks, rabbits, canaries, minks, hedgehogs, rats, foxes.

Both were a semi-sedentary-semi-nomadic people. They lacked the means to plow soil except by hand, which prevents truly turning it over; this means the soil gets worn out very quickly. To compensate, the Indians came up with the Three Sisters system (corn, beans, squash) which allowed them to maintain several plots at a given time. Even though they still had to rotate plots, they could go several years before having to rotate because of the efficiency of how the system worked (tl;dr each crop makes something that the other two need). The Huron way of life was disrupted by the Iroquois, who set upon a genocidal campaign against them in order to take their beaver hunting land. The first French explorations into North America lead to the French discovering this and rushing to the aid of the Huron.