This triggers other countries

I mean that's just a trash argument. Besides that, don't care.

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you are not entitled to other people's labour

>Americans don't use youtube

this, neither is water,housing,air, or education.
everything should be privatized

>tfw got that 'WHY BEN SHAPIRO IS SO DOMINANT ON DEBATES' video on my youtub feed

Conservatives I know worship him like he's an actual intellectual

>paying doctors through taxes is the same as slavery

the iq of the leaf is staggering

Hes a Zionist faggot but this is actually a good point.
Why do obese poorfags expect me to pay for their medical treatment. My parents worked hard for my trustfund, poorfags should have to work if they want medical treatment

Cool, when are we ending inheritance laws?

PEOPLE ON THE COAST CAN JUST SELL THEIR HOMES AND MOVE BEFORE CLIMATE CHANGE

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LIBTARDS STATUS- WRECKED

cool stop funding the police, the army and the judicial system

Yeah the "hard right" in Europe stays far away from a lot of things that are totally acceptable to advocate in the US. IIRC Margaret Thatcher solidly refused to privatize the NHS. Berlusconi supports civil unions for gays, as does Marine le Pen.

How does his answer work as a counterargument?

Bernie is implying that is not moral to have a system in which a citizen can't afford health.

Shapiro says that is equivalent to not being able to pay for a comodity; but the question is that he doesn't say how is are services and commodites (a vital one at that) comparable in their moral value or why it is not inmoral to have a system in which a citizen can't afford healthcare

Ending inheritance is by definition communist

liberal crop yields DESTROYED by conservative flood of FACTS and LOGIC

We have privatized our public health care for most parts. But we put in price restrictions (doctors can only ask a set amount of each action they do during a treatment, but there is no limit to how many actions they can do). And we have the whole mandatory insurances thing you are starting to get now.

Ughhh so much this

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>tfw its been there for at least a month or two
>tfw it will probably never ever go away until i click on it
>tfw if i finally cave in and click on it youtube will think i want more

Ben Shapiro DESTROYS liberals epic style.

The reason people hate Berlusconi has nothing to do with him being right wing, it has more to do with him being corrupt and fucking underage prostitutes.
And Marine le Pen isn't really right wing, she just hates immigrants.

the only cases when the law entitles you to anything by default is when the parent dies without having written a will in which case it is distributed among next of kin. Inheriting things through a will is someone voluntarily giving you things, you are only entitled to what someone previously agreed to give you.
Most people with large estates to pass down are going to have a will.

Actually it's by definition a conservative plank. Conservatives state that they believe in equality of opportunity not equality of outcome. Inheritance undermines the former wholly.

*can only ask a set amount for each action they do
And every person has a free family doctor (general practitioner) who basically decides which treatments you get.

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what a weird voice

based

t. jealous poorfag who got cucked by a patrician

>you are only entitled to what someone previously agreed to give you.
So if we agree in a democratic way, that we should give everyone access to Higher Education and Healthcare, then everyone is entitled to it, right?

this but unironically

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Yeah a lot of Euro countries (like your country and Switzerland) have that. Then """libertarians""" in the USA claim that Switzerland is a totally free market unregulated capitalist country, conveniently ignoring the fact that Switzerland has plenty of government involvement in certain areas of the economy.

giving people free healthcare violates natural selection.
And higher education is only meant to be for the Upper Middle class. its not until recently that everyone wanted to go to college.

not unless I personally consent to give it away. If I vote against the policy and it is still taken away from me its the state taking it on the basis of implied consent that I continued to live in a state that had voted for something I did not agree to. Its still theft in the end.

I'd rather pay $20 more for healthcare if it meant that poor people didn't have it.
Fuck universal healthcare

>Then """libertarians""" in the USA claim that Switzerland is a totally free market unregulated capitalist country
ive literally never seen anybody claim this

>literally advocating for feudalism tier policies
The true face of the American libertarian

You are already doing that. Who do you think pays for all these ER visits of homeless people? Why do you think hospital prices are inflated in America?

hahaha libtards destroyed fuck poor people and niggers!!!!

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>giving people free healthcare violates natural selection.

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It's not the default response. It's just one that I've seen sometimes.

>I'm already paying for Tyrone's healthcare so I might as well pay for Laquesha and her 3 kid's healthcare as well
Great argument

You would have been hanged for this sort of aristocratic bullshit in post-colonial time America.

Just click the "not interested" button

>giving people free healthcare violates natural selection.
We do not live in a "natural state" of things, having sewage is "against nature"

>higher education is only meant to be for the Upper Middle class
Why? and why should that stay that way?

>If I vote against the policy
Do you believe that anything can only be done if everyone agrees to it?

If you do, would you agree that we should derogate private property rights because there are some people that oppose them?

Wrong, the South was still very hierarchical.
There was 4 distinct classes, Aristocracy, Gentry, White working and slaves.

Healthcare then was quite rudimentary for any social class, but yeah the aristocratic attitude would probably have gotten him tarred and feathered.

The thing is, in the USA people aren't certain that it's economically feasible to provide universal health care to everyone in America. And the same could be said about housing, tertiary education and what not. So for Americans it would require a leap of faith to change the system.

But if you already have such a system in place, which you take for granted, then there is usually no compelling reason to get rid of it. Unless you're trying to save costs again. But when politicians try to save costs, they usually try to do so without people losing access to their acquired rights.

No, the argument works like this: better pay for Tyrone's antibiotic medication instead of the ER visit where they had amputate his leg because the infection got out of hand because he didn't go to a doctor in time. This is the single biggest reason why you are paying 40% more in healthcare costs than me. Here there are no lowly and non-insured people that keep running up ER bills because they avoid doctors for easily treated conditions. There is no economical argument to make for the current American healthcare system. A universal system would save the American tax payer hundreds of billions of dollars according to your own estimates.

I understand this, I just don't care

Ben Shapiro WALKS into a hospital emergency room and then MERCILESSLY MURDERS every single FREELOADING SOCIALIST using FACTS and NAPALM

>giving people free healthcare violates natural selection
So does owning a gun

>I understand this, I just don't care
And there it is.

Lol no, the South was throughoutly Jeffersonian and loathed any sign of British-like display of aristocrac anrics. Open a fucking history book.

>this triggers other countries
Why would this trigger me? It's not like his statement affect my well-being.

damn this nigga knows his history an btfo that americuck

I think it's more basic. I think it starts with the American education system.
If you saddle people up with lots of debt before they become a doctor, then they have to ask for lots of money to earn it back.
Otherwise nobody would even decide to become a doctor anymore.

this except its not about specifically barring others but rather seeing just how much taxes for the average person would go up that it would be a shitty deal for the majority of people
"medicare for all" which isnt even single payer would cost about 3.2 trillion a year up from the roughly 1 trillion we currently spend on public healthcare. Using 2015 as a baseline (its obviously going to be slightly different today but it works for the example) going through with it would increase the federal budget to 6 trillion dollars a year (a 58% increase). The median salary in the US is about $56,500 a year before taxes. The effective tax rate at this bracket is 22% or $12,430.

If they were to keep the national spending/debt ratio the same they would need to increase taxes by 58% which would increase the yearly burden of the average american to about $19,640 ($7,209 more).

Tell the average american that they can have "free" healthcare as long as they pay $7,209 a year and tell me how many would take that offer

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If you really didn't care then you'd get out of the way. You are lying.

"Free healthcare" is an extremely recent phenomenon in civilization. Back then only people with money could see a doctor and that's how those societies grew and flourished in those times because you didn't need to waste resources on people that didn't deserve it. You can already see the massive decline when you start handing things out "for free"...

>You can already see the massive decline when you start handing things out "for free"...
How? It improved lives.

>an American argues against free drinking water

except he's wrong. The average Southerner at the time didn't give two fucks about republicanism

would go up to the point that it would be a shitty deal*

>handing things out "for free"...
Like protection of private property rights by the police?

Modern liberal democracies with welfare states are the most productive societies in human history. Pseudo-scientific Darwinism is so 19th century, dude.

Just implement a public option already America, jesus christ. Why does the debate for healthcare always have to be between single payer and complete privatization?

Not really. The highest in GDP per capita are oil based economies and countries with low taxes.

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>water is free
You literally have to pay the water company a bill every month you dumb fuck leaf

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>sint maarten
Is this some meme adjusted chart or something? It's literally a shithole within the Kingdom. That lives on tourists.

Healthcare ain't free. The tree of society and civilisation gotta be litterd with the blood of poor people. Preventable PEASANT Disease-sufferers aka "P.D." are not my problem. they are Democratic gommunist and probbaly dervsre it as well :DD. POOR and death not poor and LIVE ok. praise jesus.

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Have you never been to a public park with drinking fountains?

Nigga, these oil-based economies have more extensive welfare states than most Western countries, lmao. Macao literally pays a premium to all of its citizens out of the revenue from the casinos. It's literally free money. Anyway, it's besides the point because I talked about productivity.

>Sint Maarten
>shithole
Ever been there, Dirk? You must spelled Curaçao wrong.

Calm down Nestle

The Dutch government even took control of their governments finances because they made such a mess of it.

Probably because rich people have it as their primary residence.
The people who actually live there are poor

umm sweetie

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I've met a white person from Curacao. Can't be that bad

the thumbnail alone

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>look at all those yachts
Sint Maarten and Bonaire are not shitholes, Dirk.

None of our carribean islands are shitholes compared to other carribean islands. But they certainly aren't one of the richest countries in the world, which that chart seems to imply. Nor is their economy self-sustaining enough that they can ignore imported goods and just use purchasing power adjusted gdp. That's what I meant.

Americans are beyond reason. Just ignore them and let them kill themselves in peace.

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literally this. the moment that the conversation turns from a qualitative to a quantitative one is when its revealed to be a pipe dream. Its this very conversation when ocasio cortez tried to claim that the pentagon "lost" 21 trillion dollars and that that lost money could be used to pay for healthcare. when she was called out on her bullshit she literally said "its better to be morally right than factually correct" in defense.

The people wanting this are simply not logical people. It would require unseen levels of collective bargaining to bring costs down to reasonable levels for the country that has both the highest private AND among the highest public spending.

God is such a prankster.

Why doesn't he get up and walk to another hospital? They are in their private rights to refuse treatment and he has the right to go somewhere else. If more people voted with their wallet they will be out of business very soon! MAGA

>rights come from god

is the US constitution a Bible to them? did God write it?

I fucking hate these idiots who are like "I don't want to pay for everybody's healthcare". Ever heard of insurance companies? You and all the healthy people are already paying for the sick people, and once you're sick the company will pay it for you. On top of that, the government has a program the vast majority of insurance companies are involved in to help them out. Basically, they compare how much each one pays out each year and give money back to the insurance companies that took a big hit that year. But what about the people without insurance? Hospitals have to treat them too if it's urgent, and if they can't pay the price of that is reflected in the hospital's bill to the insurers.
tl;dr We're already paying for other people's healthcare and if we just do it directly we can get rid of the unnecessary bureaucracy and save money

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post yfw you realised the YEAH KILL EM meme is actually real

If you lived with the people Americans live with you'd be saying YEAH KILL EM too

All Dutch laws are declared by the King by the grade of God.

>the grade of God