NATO dissolves and USA goes full isolationist again

>NATO dissolves and USA goes full isolationist again
>Western Euros cheer before realizing they have to suck Russia and China’s dick

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The only reason for which all these European shitholes trade and cooperate with Russia and China so gladly, is because they have NATO memberships and military umbrellas. USA can't remove countries from NATO that trade and cooperate with its opponents, but USA can withdraw from this organisation or limit its contribution to it. I think that this must be done, unless all members start paying for NATO and stop trading with Russia and China.

Is a pan-european federalist superstate too much to ask?

literally propaganda

no but difficultier by the day, i suspect it wont happen

you arent withdrawing from shit unless you cant pay for it anymore (which may be the case), and in that case you would unironically ruin europe beyond repair before that( which may be the case)

>literally propaganda

USA won't be able to force Europe to pay for its defence, as long as NATO exists, because these fuckers prefer to free-ride on American taxpayer. When NATO stops existing, all of a sudden all these disarmed european shitholes conclude that rising military spendings to 3-5% GDP is a good idea after all. In the meantime, the USA will be able to establish bilateral military cooperation with countries that USA finds as useful for its new strategy in Eurasia

fuck nato and eu, nordic union when?

>you arent withdrawing from shit unless you cant pay for it anymore (which may be the case), and in that case you would unironically ruin europe beyond repair before that( which may be the case)

Withdrawing from NATO would be really good for the USA from perspective of its national interest, and i am not even kidding. Just like little war in Southern-Eastern Europe that could be a good long-term blockade for the project of South/Turkish Stream. As long as NATO exists, it is hard to achieve such basic things

>americans spend 70 years being the ruler of western europe and wonder why they have to protect it
what do they mean by this?

this thread

>hurr I don't understand what they're talking about
>>*checks catalog for tonights designated fag thread*
>tee-hee post boi pucci ^_^

Why are poles so fucking dumb? If you like American dick so much you should work in a foreskin clinic in Texas.

It is not about 'liking' or not, it is about national interest of the USA. If Western Europe and some part of Eastern Europe loves Russia and China, trades with them and cooperates with them, USA has no interest in funding their security, so they could do their businesses with these two countries while enjoying full military protection and nuclear umbrella. Simple as that. If they want to have good relations with these countries, they should develop their own armies that would be able to defend them from their trade partners.

All western countries have their own army, dumb pole. Nato is really made for Poland and a bunch of shitholes around it.

If this is true why are western Euro's so fucking ambivalent and derisive of America in general when you have achieved such prosperity?

Not at all. NATO is made to protect Western Europe. Eastern Europe serves only as a buffer one for Western Europe and has second category membership in the NATO de facto.

>NATO is made to protect Western Europe
lel no.
But keep believing that it's normal for a pole.

I don't need to believe, idiot. I know it. Poland doesn't need NATO, it is fully satisfied with its bilateral relations with USA. If NATO stopped existing, it would be even good for us, because Germany would have to begin to invest in our security as we are the only direct buffer zone they have.

France + UK + Germany together dwarf Russian military budget....
France alone is comparable to Russia... You really think they need the US to defend themselves against Russia?
Get real and stop believing everything you are told about muh Russia super-stronk!!!

The Trump drama about NATO budget was an obvious power play by Trump, pushed by Putin to weaken NATO. It is not anchored in reality, and that's why western leaders laughed at it.

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>France + UK + Germany together dwarf Russian military budget....

Western militaries are practially non-existent and their army budgets are just benefit-pension programs.

Well obviously you're wrong, I brought to you the numbers...

You ever heard about such thing like PPP? A soldier in Russia is paid 6x less than in Western Europe. Production of a rocket in Russia costs also few times less than in the West

>their army budgets are just benefit-pension programs.

Source? Other than Fox news, Trump, Putin, and your own fantasy world?

Western europe would destroy Rusia in a conventional war (without Nato) even with our current armies. And Russians would have to cross first the lands of our butthurt eastern friends before reaching us, giving us time to prepare :^)

Your country can't defend itself even from refugee streams and your own rebelious citizens. I can't really imagine it defending itself from a regular army. And nobody will give you any time for preparations, because Poland refuses to die for Western Europe. That's why we don't want NATO in first place

You are truly delusional

>Production of a rocket in Russia costs also few times less than in the West

AH yes the famous hyper sonic unstoppable Russian rockets that actually can't even fly in a test launch.

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Why should Russia conquer Western Europe? In addition, Russia is only 150 million people, when Europe is 1 billion

>Compares civil demonstrations with conventional war
What a shitty bait polebro

Russia + Central-Eastern Europe already has bigger population and incomparably bigger military potential than Western Europe

It's the pole who's afraid of that. Nobody believes that in western Europe, and that's was the point of the French user, it's not a real risk.

Poland is not afraid of Russia anymore, though. You should be from now on

Poland is the most butthurt and deluded country in Europe, that's why you support America so much I guess.

America is not your friend and protector anymore

I doubt Russia could even dream of defending itself against our precision ordinance in an actual land based assault......You will not have to die for anyone

So the Poles will be in the Russian army, as in the good old days?

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>America is not your friend and protector anymore
It has never been...
It's almost like you're projecting Poland issues on Western Europe, it's comical.

America on the verge of civil war.