Did you learn about Holodomor in your history classes?

Retarded ass ape

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The famine wasn't just some isolated incident that was hidden from society you retard. It was witnessed and reported on by by thousands of people.

Famines were real. But intentional famine? Fuck no, this is tinfoil-tier

>muh 20 gorillion!

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bengal_famine_of_1943
Did you learn about this?

>cold war propaganda
Cold war was just an excuse, Communism was excuse. The roots of their anti-Russian propaganda is in British Empire. Russia always was a rival and natural enemy to Anglo-Saxon European and world hegemony.

Mao literally shot 80 million of chinks

He's directly responsible for the repression, collectivization, gulags and forceful mass migration. But famines were caused by bolsheviks' incompetence, it wasn't planned genocide.

Stalin did nothing to prevent it. When aid was offered, he denied it. It was either deliberate or communists are just clinically retarded and can't lead a nation. Both don't bode well for communism.

Source?

Any decent historian would laugh at you if you mentioned the black book of communism.

Your Tumblr blogs and commie YT channels aren't "decent historians", they're just 20 year old contrarians

Do you really not even know the basics? Nigger do SOME reading before you start typing like a monkey.

Good god. The memes are true

I know, right? You actually do act like a monkey.

Holdomor is fake news

Brainwashed, not even going to bother.

>This is what inbreed rural rednecks believe
Just post the source.]
Stop being a classcuck

Because you can't refute widely accepted history, dumb fuck.

Based.
Everyone knows that Shapiro and Mr. Goldberg are the only historians that matter

The Holodomor Reader: A Sourcebook on the Famine of 1932-1933 in Ukraine

Go read it

What's it like being a historical flat earther?

>yes goy, go read the fake news reader

FAKE NEWS!!! PRAISE JESUS

Post a excerpt of it.
This seems to be one of these meme shekel grabber books made to americans and dumb people

You're an idiot lol.

p. 34 - p. 42

Notice how commies have no actual argument outside of buttburt ad hominem.

Post a excerpt, not a random page.
I'll not buy it

>it happened goyim, believe me! buy my book!
nice argument

Those pages are about how Stalin made absolutely no effort to prevent or lessen the blow of the famine.

That is the exerpt you retard.

Our arguments reside in the barrel of a gun, as comrade Mao had once told us

>buy
Feel free to download it. Literally every book is free you dumb fuck.

>the Famine of 1932-1933 in Ukraine

Simple manipulation. Famine was not only in Ukraine and it didn't choose exclusively one ethnic group to kill.

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You can't argue with american historicians paid by Ukrainian diaspora.

Do you know what a excerpt is?

Too bad most commies are too afraid to own a gun, let alone afford one on their allowance.

stalin haters came up with the funniest shit lmao

Are you that much of a brainlet that 8 pages is too much for you?

Jesus Christ. I'm baby feeding you and you're still being a retard.

Just wait and they control yours.

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Nobody owes you an argument you moron, least of all me.

Sorry Cletus, but Hillary Clinton and Obama aren't communists

Just map from wikipedia.
And basically it's just regions with most rural population density.

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Post the link to download it then

Nah, my state isn't cucked. Our gun rights are stronger than ever.

You can't produce one even if you wanted to.

Are you retarded? It's a book, not an image.

I'm not spoon-feeding you this far, monkey.

Those numbers are an understatement.

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They're not very good leftists, sadly. I'm a "commie" and have many guns.

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>I'm not spoon-feeding you this far, monkey.
90% sure you've never read this book
>Nah, my state isn't cucked. Our gun rights are stronger than ever.
For now. Soon the bourgeoisie will steal these rights from you.
A armed working class is dangerous to any tyrannical elite

Leftists are too afraid of fascists owning guns so they want to ban them altogether.

I have. Not everyone is a dumb monkey that doesn't read like you.

>It's a book, not an image.
I get it, you're exceptionally smart american.

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guns are inherently anti-communist though, communists believe the state should have ultimate power

>90% sure you've never read this book
Americans don't read books. They just read fake news

>my state
Your states is cucked just as any other state. You failed on state rights in civil war, Joe. Now Washington DC to decide.

No, we don't teach literal nazi propaganda

FAKE NEWS!!! HOLODOMOR IS A LIE!!!

>communists believe the state should have ultimate power
Communists believe in the exact opposite of that

>Black book of communism
Almost had me OP. 4/10

I put commie in quotes for a reason.

>no argument
Every time

The american "left" is financed by billionaires

Gun rights are controlled by the state, genius.

Those are mainstream Democrats, not leftists.

No, I'm talking about even far leftists. The kind that listen to those ChapoTrapHouse faggots.

No, they believe that the workers should have ultimate power

Oh. I don't know those people or what that is. I'm kind of old.

Mindless asking for "source", and acting in bad faith when he already displayed enough information for you to get the book by any means you want, is so fallacious as his number with little to no prove. Actually I would say this childish way of just screaming "sources" is worst, cause it try to change the focus of the discussion, it is an ad hominemish and as said previously bad faith, aka dishonest.

Then why do you want to the state to force workers to work?

Because communism can only work if most people are working, and that would require force with communism.

For how long, Joe? Tell me how many rights your state used to control 100 years ago?

Never heard about this shit.
Googled it and they have gay faces.
Homosexualism is a bourgeois disease, and therefore anti-communist.

Actualy, homosexuals and capitalism mirror each other. The bourgeoisie produce nothing, while gays are also incapable of reproducting.

Good thing it's not 100 years ago, retard.

Based but blue pilled.

Wtf are you talking about?
It's easy. Don't want to work? Okay, but you'll not eat either.
And if you steal the sweat of another you'll be shot for being a proto-bourgeois

>Homosexualism is a bourgeois disease
based as fuck

I think it's disingenuous to attribute deaths to a specific ideology, especially in the cases mentioned here. No part of the Communist Manifesto (or mainstream Communist ideology in general) advocates for mass killings. You could also turn this on Capitalism and come out with a death toll even higher than the one listed here. The Irish and Indian famines come to mind when using this logic.

This is biased. Famine took place all over the USSR.

>stealing food specifically from conquered ukrainians
>they starve
>not genocide

these days i often see Russians go ballistic here

holodohoax is fake

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holdomor was actually triggered by us sanctions back than lmao

Because we are being convicted of genocide, although millions of Russians also died in 1932-1933. Also, Stalin was Georgian.

In ten years you will have no gun rights Joe.

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Even though I think that communism can't be implemented by any other means than force and that already makes it worth in my philosophical conception of thing.
I must agree with what you say, I would say that is fault of the administration not the idea itself. The famine to support the USSR war machine lies on Stalin and the way USSR administration was conducted, the same as with Churchill and the India situation.

The USSR did not plan or want to cause a famine. They weren't just hoarding grain for no reason. The grain was being sold to foreign countries to fund the USSR's rapid industrialization. Also, I could make the same claim for the Irish famine being a genocide by replacing "ukrainians" with "irish" in your greentext. I define genocide as a systematic attempt by a nation to erase or eradicate a group of people. The Holodomor does not meet this criteria

>stealing food specifically from conquered ukrainians
>they starve
>not genocide
Communists stole food from everyone, not only Ukrainians. Why no one talks about the genocide of Russians, Belarusians, Kazakhs, etc?

>stealing food from group of people
>people start starving
>keep doing it
>prevent them from leaving
>not genocide

By your own admission they literally murdered ukrainians and kazahks to fullfill the political aims of the USSR. Murder may not have been the main goal, but they did it willingly anyway. That's genocide.

Communists aren't russian?

>By your own admission they literally murdered ukrainians and kazahks to fullfill the political aims of the USSR
They murdered everyone for different reasons, but not on an ethnic basis. At least 10 million of Russians were killed by the Russian famine of 1921–22, Red Terror, etc.

The official definition of genocide according to merriam-webster is "the deliberate and systematic destruction of a racial, political, or cultural group". Stealing food and starving people may be murder, but it's not genocide. The Soviet Union at no point attempted to systematically destroy a racial, political, or cultural group. The Ukrainians suffered the most not because the USSR was attempting to eradicate the Ukrainian people, but because that region produced the most grain. I'm not saying, that the Holodomor didn't happen, or that they weren't killed as a result of the USSR's actions. I'm saying that the Holodomor was not a genocide

No, they aren't. Jews and Georgians carried out a genocide of Russians.