Why do people say Russia isn't European while accepting Albanians who are basically Turks as their own?

I am sorry, but it's the other way around, the old Bulgarian kingdom created the Slavic literary tradition and distributed it to the Mongol-Slav lands.

What Europe are you talking about you dipshit? Aren't you the ones who's been fucking Germans right untill the middle of 19th century?
Kids these days...

Russia is its own continent.

t. niggeroid

>Sweden
>Eastern europe

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Lol

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@101122282
Guranteed monkey (You)s

I always thought Russia was considered as part of the West: white, Christian, European. Turns out, they are not part of the west.
Imbeciles don't consider them European because their country is mostly located in Asia. However, all the important and historical Russian cities and places are in the European region. Most ethnic Russians live in Europe. So only retards don't think they are European.

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This guy knows it.

Geographically we are both Europe and Asia, our culture is white as fuck, we govern ourselves as chink mongoloids, genetically we're finno-ugrian mutts.

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t. jew

there's nothing wrong with a bit of east asian blood

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>Arab located in Sweden
If everyone is an Arab then everyone is European. Simple.

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>Russia was considered as part of the West
Because it is. Sometimes we refer to the other Europeans as seperate from ourselves the same way the British do.
And the trolls have caught onto this and tried to use it against us to somehow paint us as un-European.
But at the end of the day we're a profoundly European civilization, there's no debate about it.

Russia was generally considered an Asian country up until the 18th century. Only then a guy called Van Strahlenberg came up with the idea that Europe should go as far as the Ural mountain range. Peter the Great of course approved of this new definition - and thus the "European Russia" meme was born.

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Russia is a big country. Almost as big as the Netherlands, Belgium and Denmark combined.

>that Mario Party 3 in the N64

based

>Russia was generally considered an Asian country up until the 18th century.
You're full of shit and retarded. Russia was a European power with extremely close ties to the rest of Europe and European nobility and politics. Its civilization was always European and was always considered as such. The asian lands are basically colonies of the European part part of Russia.

Albanians are autochthonous you cuck.

what about germany?
Germans are the biggest mass murderers of Europeans

>Russia" has been in conflict with Europe pretty much since its creation
Not really we've had times of alliance and friendships and times of war like all European cunts.

german cities are full of arabs, africans and other non whites

>Is an Arab located in Sweden a European?
No because he's an immigrant or descendant from recent immigrants
>Are Brits European? They hold lands in other continents too.
Yes because they have obvious cultural and genetic ties to continental Europeans and 99% of their landmass is located in Europe. Under the same logic France, Spain, the Netherlands, Portugal, Denmark and Norway wouldn't be considered European either.

>it's easier with Russia.
Only if you're geographically illiterate.

youtu.be/vcCFgU8IJCk?t=1976
>Looks oriental
>no no no no... mmmhhm... it is of Old Russian not oriental

then what are poles if not round headed mongol looking chinlets?

shut the fuck up

>extremely close ties to the rest of Europe and European nobility and politics.
not in the period between 1240s and Peter the Great.

>Why do people say Russia isn't European while accepting Albanians who are basically Turks as their own?
It's the Kremlin that says it isnt and spews it's Eurasia (technically true) but people dont think ethnic Russians arent European.

Blessed and righteous.

>Albanians who are basically Turks

What is this bullshit?

In that period too

Sounds like a lot of cope. We are heirs to the Great Mongolian Empire, and we should be treated as such. The people are right to fear us. We are the True Warriors of the Steppe.

Sounds like larp and bait. We have nothing to do with Asians.

You denying yourself your true heritage and God given right to rule this continent. Russians are warriors, riding through the Steppe, searching for the worthy foe. We have nothing in common with European pests.

No one really thinks about albos desu, everyone just forgets they exist. What are they exactly anyway? They have some kind of ayy language that's all l know

>You're full of shit and retarded. Russia was a European power with extremely close ties to the rest of Europe and European nobility and politics

lol

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Images of totalitarianism spring to mind when one at first ponders that which is Russia: from the current times of Vladimir Putin’s presidency, to when the Soviet Union was still a nation, and even before to Imperial Russia. However, in Kievan Rus, a form of democracy did exist. Comprised of all free male citizens, the veche (вeчe) was a town assembly that met to discuss such matters as war and peace, law, and invitation or expulsion of princes to the veche’srespective town; all cities in Kievan Russia had a veche. It was essentially a forum for civic affairs to discuss and resolve problems. However, this democratic institution suffered severe curtailment under the Mongols.

POLITICS NOW STFU

Their country is mostly in asia because of imperialism. But if you are just talking about ethnic russians, they most certainly are europeans

Is this what they teach you in russian schools?

Also europe = white is a stereotype made by racist whites and dumbass niggers.
Armenians aren‘t white and neither are those kebabalkanites or pastaniggers yet we consider them to be so because WHITES are RACIST and love to be eurocentric.

Fake map, Mehmet

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Of great importance to the Mongol overlords was census tabulation, which allowed for the collection of taxes. To support censuses, the Mongols imposed a special dual system of regional administration headed by military governors, the basqaqi (бacкaки), and/or civilian governors, the darugi (дapyгы). Essentially, the basqaqi were given the responsibility of directing the activities of rulers in the areas that were resistant or had challenged Mongol authority. The darugi were civilian governors that oversaw those regions of the empire that had submitted without a fight or that were considered already pacified to Mongol forces (Ostrowski, 273).

Existing sources and research indicates that the basqaqi had largely disappeared from the Rus’ lands by the mid-fourteenth century, as the Rus more or less accepted the Mongol overlords. As the basqaqi left, the darugi replaced them in power. However, unlike the basqaqi, the darugi were not based in the confines of the lands of the Rus; in fact, they were stationed in Sarai, the old capital of the Golden Horde located not far from present-day Volgograd. The darugi functioned mainly as experts on the lands of the Rus’ and advised the khan accordingly.

The first census taken by the Mongols occurred in 1257, just seventeen years after their conquest of Rus’ lands. The population was divided into multiples of ten, a system that had been employed by the Chinese and later adopted by the Mongols who extended its use over the entirety of their empire; the census served as the primary purpose for conscription as well as for taxation. This practice was carried on by Moscow after it stopped acknowledging the Horde in 1480. The impact of the Mongol Empire at least in this area was obviously deep and effective and helped to create a strong central government for Russia.

Some languages in Russia even use latin alphabet.

Founded in 1147, Moscow remained an insignificant town for more than a hundred years. At that time, the location lay at the crossroads of three major roads, one of which connected Moscow to Kiev. The geographic location of Moscow merits attention, as it sits on a bend of the Moscow River, which connects to the Oka and Volga River. Via the Volga River, that allows access to the Dniepr and Don Rivers, as well as the Black and Caspian Seas, huge opportunities for trade and commerce with distant lands have always existed. With the Mongol onslaught, droves of refugees began to arrive from the devastated southern portion of Rus, namely Kiev (Riasanovsky, 109). Moreover, the actions of the Muscovite princes in favor with the Mongols helped Moscow’s rise as the center of power.

>N haplo = asian
Retards like you
They ruin everything

Brainlet, your limit is going towards 0, not towards negative infinity.

ALBANIANS ARE BASED

People from asian parts of Russia often have even more western heritage.
For example this singer has Belarussian roots.
youtube.com/watch?v=nj5nuYYrZvg

Leading up to the point that the Mongols granted Moscow the iarlyk, Tver and Moscow were constantly struggling for power. The major turning point surfaced in 1327 when the populace of Tver started to rise in rebellion. Seeing this as an opportunity to please the khan of his Mongol overlords, Prince Ivan I of Moscow took a huge Tatar contingent and quashed the rebellion in Tver, thereby restoring order in that city and winning the favor of the khan. For his show of loyalty, Ivan I was also granted the iarlyk and with this Moscow took yet another step towards prominence and power. Soon the princes of Moscow took over the responsibilities of collecting taxes throughout the land (and in doing so, taking part of these taxes for themselves) and eventually the Mongols gave this responsibility solely to Moscow and ended the practice of sending their own tax collectors.

It is not haplogroup map
It is a faked autosomal DNA map

We are not europaians we better then Euro

Even you if you speak Russian ukrainian belarussian some old kavkazian Alan dialect

You better I better race man women

Brothers Slavic and traditions are best

We slav have a tradition if a son born you need to hug him really really strong and go outside and plan a tree to grow

Slavs are best

If a slav bulid a house all slavs need to halp him so it would be easier for him !!!

Long live the Slavic east race

Yes yes we the slavs have this traditions

No we are not europaians fuck europa

We are not mongols

My race is alanian my ancestors was together with the Rus fighting Mongols

But the mongols won and they kicked as to the kavkaz mountain still we never was Muslims we was pagan and had good relationship with Vikings and Gothic race

Never forget this

I as Alan love Russia and love kavkaz

And a alanian worrior with out Russia is like a sword with out a horse

Long live the east Slavic race

Conclusion

As the evidence stands, the effects of the Mongol invasion were many, spread across the political, social, and religious facets of Russia. While some of those effects, such as the growth of the Orthodox Church generally had a relatively positive effect on the lands of the Rus, other results, such as the loss of the veche system and centralization of power assisted in halting the spread of traditional democracy and self-government for the various principalities. From the influences on the language and the form of government, the very impacts of the Mongol invasion are still evident today. Perhaps given the chance to experience the Renaissance, as did other western European cultures, the political, religious, and social thought of Russia would greatly differ from that of the reality of today. The Russians, through the control of the Mongols who had adopted many ideas of government and economics from the Chinese, became perhaps a more Asiatic nation in terms of government, while the deep Christian roots of the Russians established and helped maintain a link with Europe. It was the Mongol invasion which, perhaps more than any other historical event, helped to determine the course of development that Russian culture, political geography, history, and national identity would take.

He was born in Moscow, but grew up in Vladivostok.

Russians are white and part of the greater christian/european culture, I don't think anyone can deny that. But some people still hate Russia because they were communist or because they are anti-western now.

Vladivostok alanskaja zemlia :) zemlja mojich priedkov alania moja osetija moja

Putin in the bigining was pro europa cuck suckers but you deniad him he want to enter you club the eu you give him roulls to I do her did all the rouls but you add more roulls and then said no

Putin want to be in NATO you englo cuck suckers said no

And now after all this year's Putin anderstend thet all you europian gayropian trash even if Russia will change you just will try to distroy it

Putin anderstend this and become the most anti American anti Euro president ever exsist

All I can say it's your fault gayropian cuck sucker

Now you gona feel the power of the mighty east slavs

I think Putin doing good job and he need to keep that way slowly he will distroy the EU and NATO

Will make Germany and Russia Union the most scered thing for the englo race is if Russland und Deutschland will Team up
:)

Nordic stream 2 is the answer and the btfo polalcs and baltics will lose soon slowly Putin distroing poland and baltica :)

Moscowvites are celtic people.

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The idea of a conflict of russia vs europe is a recent conception of ww1 russia has always been a european country.

It's funny how Russians were able to make that Varangian/Roslagen/Viking shit fly with their name when they visited Europeans courts even though they had nothing to do with Varangians.

>ethnicity matters
no it doesn't
I honestly couldn't care less whether your skin is black, yellow, brown or white. Being Swedish is about culture not colour. The problem lies in immigrants not wanting to adopt their new hosts culture, thinking they can continue to act like they did in whatever 3rd world country they came from(and the politicians encouraging this behaviour)

No no no this thing is forever Antil the rotshilds rokafelers will not take control of Russia they will never rellax or Antil Russia will not kill the Rothschild and rokafelers femilys and free europa from the jew banking system they continue to grow from all wars

In Syria you lost and if you lose in Venezuela you will be doomd ..

You American play in the Russian enfiluce era (ukraina )

Not it's time for Russians to play in your era (kuba)and( Venezuela)

Rurik was a Chechen

>nothing to do with Varangians.
>The Varangians (/vəˈrændʒiənz/; Old Norse: Væringjar; Greek: Βάραγγοι, Várangoi, Βαριάγοι, Variágoi) was the name given by Greeks, Rus' people, and others to Vikings,[1][2][3][4] who between the 9th and 11th centuries, ruled the medieval state of Kievan Rus', settled among many territories of modern Belarus, Russia, and Ukraine, and formed the Byzantine Varangian Guard.[5][6] According to the 12th century Kievan Primary Chronicle, a group of Varangians known as the Rus'[7] settled in Novgorod in 862 under the leadership of Rurik. Before Rurik, the Rus' might have ruled an earlier hypothetical polity. Rurik's relative Oleg conquered Kiev in 882 and established the state of Kievan Rus', which was later ruled by Rurik's descendants.[8][9]

Chechens didn't even exist in the 9th century

I really wonder why finnic posters are such stupid in general. Did inbreding really left a mark on your society?

>Muscovites ("Russians" in the German version) refute this, saying that their country was originally called Russia (Rosseia)".[51] Pointing to the difference between Latin and Russian names, French captain Jacques Margeret, who served in Russia and left a detailed description of L’Empire de Russie of the early 17th century that was presented to King Henry IV, stated that foreigners make "a mistake when they call them Muscovites and not Russians. When they are asked what nation they are, they respond 'Russac', which means 'Russians', and when they are asked what place they are from, the answer is Moscow, Vologda, Ryasan and other cities".[52] The closest analogue of the Latin term Moscovia in Russia was “Tsardom of Moscow”, or “Moscow Tsardom” (Mocкoвcкoe цapcтвo), which was used along with the name "Russia",[53][54] sometimes in one sentence, as in the name of the 17th century Russian work On the Great and Glorious Russian Moscow State

>In Old East Slavic literature, the East Slavs refer to themselves as "[muzhi] ruskie" ("Rus' men") or, rarely, "rusichi." The East Slavs are thought to have adopted this name from the Varangian elite, which was first mentioned in the 830s in the Annales Bertiniani.

>When the Varangians arrived in Constantinople, the Byzantines considered and described the Rhos (Greek Ῥῶς) as a different people from the Slavs.

And then they claim Ukraine is not a real country because of their name. Venäläiset were literally Swedes' and slaves and then they just went ahead and took their name.

>Did inbreding really left a mark on your society
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Finnish_heritage_disease

Bcoz we was vikingnes (ingushetia)(the land of the son ) half of kavkaz had a uinon with Vikings and gotic tribs and royel Russian empire army's agianst Turks agianst tatars agianst Mongols agianst Asians sabhumans

We lost to Mongols and to Jews and to Russians but we didn't become mongols we after all this year's become slavs and the iranian who come to the kavkaz was Jews thet become Muslims now in the kavkaz mountain

Kavakz is like a slav but you can add thet he cut heads

Before we become Muslims bcoz Russia killed all the chrkasian pepole and take our land

> Britain/France/USA/put any european cunt has been in conflict with other Europe pretty much since its creation

Why are Finns so bad at baiting?
You're literally learning as you go with one post contradicting the last with your misinterpreted wikipedia knowledge and meme logic.
You really need to step up your game man, this is insulting and you can't compete with Russians with this quality.

The only Finnic posters who are inbred are Finns.

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Don't listen to this dumbass, I can't even imagine how literally 100 years as a vassal of Great Horde almost 1000 years ago can define your nation as a heirs of some stinky ching chongs

No, we aren't taght to this shit in schools, all of the history books considers Mongol invasion as a pure evil

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Didnt they just invade demand vassalage and tax, if none was given kill and then move on only to come back for future taxes?

Why yes, we indeed are fake nation larpins as Russians, how did you know?
Every Russian secretly wishes he was Ukrainian.

>That's the argument what Muscovites use for annexing Crimea
False equivalency, Crime has been part of Russia until very recently and for a very long time, moreover Crimeans identify as Russians.
>I really wonder who could be behind this post
There's actually nothing wrong with that sentence except a comma
>if none was given, kill and then move on

Turks are Arabs.

*missing comma

So what?

Are Arabs Europeans?

You've had Tsars and famous writers extensively criticizing Western Europe as a whole, claiming Russians are different, unique people and this is still going on right now. Muh Russian soul, muh Orthodoxy, muh anti-materialism and individualism and whatnot.
Why are you now pretending this never happened?
European wars weren't so much about ideology as they were about territorial issues or simple power struggles. Of course you've had leaders that were pro-European, obviously. But you've had you fair number of leaders that opposed what could be considered as a common "Western European culture and society" (yes, there is such a thing).

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t.

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Russian (the native ones) likes to Larp as non-Euros/whites and I have no idea why.

I think this a modern meme

>They have shit ton of land in the European part, the rest is just Imperialism (which is a Western thing, from Portugal to Sweden)
>They look European/white
>They're Christians
>Their art, literature, poetry and music (especially classic). I mean I've read the Gambler and saw the Seagull, and I'm on the edge of SouthWestern Europe,as far as possible from Russia

most of us aren't chr*stians

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Were then, same as here.

>You've had Tsars and famous writers extensively criticizing Western Europe as a whole
Source? Which?
We might have had people criticizing different aspects of it since different cultures behave differently. Yet criticism of certain countries or some politically opposed European powers does not constitute the rejection of everything we have in common including our common roots and entwined cultures.
It's undeniable that we're a European people and that Russia is and always a European power. Hell just look at home much France has influenced our language and our culture, even our cuisine.
>yes, there is such a thing
not really

No

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