Impressive to think that America has never been militarily defeated
It has been over 240 years since their independence, 222 of those years have been spent in war, +90% of America's existence has been spent in war.
Every ethnicity brags about their warrior heritage, but Americans are the undisputed martial GOATS. No one else comes close to the level of military success they have had. And the butthurt shows for it
And before some shitter posts >muh rice farmers No. We were winning by all measures. Then we chose to withdraw. You might consider it a political defeat, but if so, it was suffered at the hands of the democrat congress who reneged on the US' end of the paris peace accords by refusing to resupply the South Vietnamese.
Dylan Gutierrez
Crawling out of your caves when the US leaves isn't defeating them militarily
Ah yes, the country that we stormed and reached the capital within 2 weeks and then spend the last 11 years occupying. The Gulf war saw The US stormed Iraq in 1991 and we reached Sadaam in 7 weeks. We destroyed 3,500 tanks, 2,600 APCs, and few hundred aircraft along the way. We only lost ~50 tanks and ~100 aircraft.
Asher Perry
>We were winning by all measures. >muh kill count big yikes and a medium oof
Charles Hughes
lmao they left Vietnam like idiots just because their own people were doing too many riots, Americans think we still live in the 18th century, where you just invade countries like they are uncolonised land, today all your military strategy to invade other countries are almost useless, people in both America and the country they want to invade puts resistence and the international community will mostly reject the invasion, that's ehy China is advancing so much in countries that used to be under American influence, they might fill those countries with debt, but at least they don't bomb the shit out of them
Jordan Long
Though the war itself ended in stalemate, the Americans were utterly routed north of the 38th parallel by chinese BVLLS
Nathan Thomas
>The US could camp out there for 1000+ years But they clearly can't, you whisky-soaked potato. They're desperately looking for an exit strategy after realizing that 18 years of blood and treasure has resulted in the Taliban controlling more territory than they did in 2002.
Jack Anderson
the military is filled with redneck shit bags they must be kept busy go ahead and kill as many as you want no one cares
Andrew Cook
>kill count is the only measure Thank you historically illiterate
Zachary Carter
It's pretty hard to suppress insurgencies without committing crimes against humanity.
Camden Miller
Imagine being a libtard and believing this
Hudson Hernandez
oh but please tell me what other measures you had, stopping the spread of communism?
Dominic Carter
Is there anything more kino than the vietnam war's U.S. involvement?
MacArthur wanted to nuke the entire Chinese-Korean border, so don't pretend like we couldn't have won if we really wanted to.
Owen Ortiz
The US accomplished their military objectives in Vietnam. Their goal was to contain communist forces to the north (which they did successfully)
The Vietkong was utterly decimated in their failed Tet Offensive
The US kept South Vietnam capitalist and reached a peace agreement with North Vietnam in 1973 with the Paris Peace Accords. The problem was, North Vietnam violated the treaty and began military hostilities with the South again after they left. Congress didn't approve Nixon's request to get involved in Vietnam again, so Saigon fell.
Here is the important part, the North Vietnamese began this invasion TWO years after Americans had left, only a brainlet would consider that a defeat.
Similarly to the Taliban, the US could have stayed in Vietnam and would have been under no threat of being routed.
Connor Turner
>has resulted in the Taliban controlling more territory than they did in 2002. That they have seized from local policemen and government forces, they're not taking that territory from US marines
The US could begin a second invasion and the Taliban would suffer same faith as they did during the first
Lucas Richardson
How about internal NVA documents, popular support in Vietnam, number of active insurgents, enemy production capability, stability and functioning of south vietnamese government?
Xavier Ramirez
>their goal was to contain communism >Vietnam is a communist country
David Cox
But you categorically didn't win the conventional war on the ground, nuclear what ifs don't play into this
Josiah Collins
No. Until you realize that the people they were fighting for and against were ugly midget gooks
Samuel Jenkins
The Vietnam War couldn't succeed because they didn't know what was appropriate force. These were unknown unknowns and the same thing that killed Germany when they kept upping the ant thinking they could break another treaty every time. The deal with the U.S. was that they weren't sure how the Soviets would respond to force and limited their involvement as a show of force and like you said to contain the communists from outside the Outer Rim, since if they got naval access more than they already did it would threaten the U.S.' hegemony.
The Americans could've sent bombers and missiles like the Korean War but what was new was that the Soviets were directly involved, unlike with the Koreans.
In other words, if you beat the chinky kid up too hard their big brother will take a personal offense but if you just school them around and protect your own brother then they will won't do anything rash.
>stability and functioning of south vietnamese government sadly all your puppets were very unpopular with the locals, but that is nothing new in murrikan affairs
Elijah Reyes
>Impressive to think that America has never been militarily defeated
da fuck u on about paddy? they literally got their shit handed tothem on WTC day and killed innocent people for israel, if being used for foreign agenda isnt defeated then I| dunno wut is.
The goal of the Vietnam War was to avoid a communist regime in the region. Last time I checked, Vietnam was still a commie state. You lost, get over it
Zachary Johnson
This is iconic, how do other nations even come close to competing?
How hard is this to understand? The NVA failed to achieve their goal of forcibly removing the US from South Vietnam. While the US successfully achieved their military goal of containing communist forces to the north. Ergo, they weren't military defeated, which is the whole point of this thread.
The NVA breaking a peace treaty and zerg rushing a poorly equiped ARVN army two years after the Americans had already left, doesn't negate the fact they failed in every attempt to defeat the US forces.
the whitest county in central america makes a rare appearance
right up there with brazilians with the claiming to be german stuff
Jonathan Brown
>defeated no major power in 1on1 >GOATS Oh poor brainlet..
Jose Thomas
Vietnam oficial name is Socialist Republic of Vietnam, their only official party is the People's Party, and their fucking national emblem is a copy of the URSS one. They may be more open to trade now for practical reasons, but they have been as communist as you can be for the last 40 years Fucking burgers and their race thing, didn't even mentioned it in my post
Sebastian Roberts
>Bay of Pigs The CIA isn't a wing of the American armed forces
>>Vietnam see >>Afghanistan see >>Korea The Americans repelled both the North Korean, and Subsequent Chinese invasion of South Korea
Colton Gonzalez
OP, what are your intentions? We got it, you like wars and have an hard-on for the US military. Then, what? Are you simply farming for (You) s? Because it seems the harvest has been quite successful until now
Dominic Diaz
Americans lost the war of 1812 and Vietnam, Korea was a draw, and Afghanistan and Iraq are debatable. They also took part on the losing side of a couple wars/fights like the Russian Civil War.
Nathaniel Miller
Hey look we have another paddy sucking Yankee cock
Connor Ross
America fucking won. The sooner the rest of the world acknowledges this the sooner they can focus on improving their military.
maybe if the rest of the world could print infinite money and had big enough and brainwashed slave consumers to pick up the bill then yeah, we all could create militaries like the mutts
Luis Rivera
>slaves we are richer than 3/4 of the EU
Sebastian Wright
>m-muh gdp
Wyatt Sanchez
The USA no longer wanted to arm the ARVN.
Silly to trust the North and not keep the South armed.
That's a loss
Bentley White
>war of 1812 Military stalemate, both sides invasions were repulsed
>Vietnam, Korea was a draw How is a draw when America accomplished their military objectives, while their enemies failed to accomplish theirs?
>Afghanistan and Iraq are debatable The US reached the Afghan capital in less than 2 weeks and overthrew the Taliban government.
Iraq had the world's fourth largest army at the time and the Americans cut through it like butter. During the 2003 invasions they took all of Iraq in less than a month, with just 21 days of major combat operations.
>War of 1812 It wasn't a military stalemate, they failed in their true objective, lost land, and had part of their country under foriegn military occupation for years after the war was over.
>Vietnam the point was to keep communism out of south Vietnam, they failed to do that after 10 years of supporting a puppet regime. Saigon literally had to be evacuated by helicopter as VC pushed in
>Korea The commies couldn't take the south despite trying and the UN (USA) couldn't take the north despite trying. That's a military draw
>Afghanistan and Iraq The overall point of both was to end terrorist regimes (worked in Iraq but not so much in Afghanistan) and to remove them as a source of serious international terrorism (failed). They also largely failed in their attempts at nation-building in Iraq
You ignored them being on the losing side of the Russian Civil War.
Ryder Wright
They were defeated in the Vietnam war
Jacob Nguyen
>When the Welfare Queen Armyfaggots are online defending their parasitic "job" instead of polishing their boots