Why don't Americans have free universal health care...

thats the question, americans pay more in taxes for healthcare than australians, but you don't have free healthcare
where does the money go and why do americans think that is ok?

they are FAT and DUMB LOL

holy shit based

It goes towards a tiny elite that has a disproportionate amount of of influence on legislation. Americans unironically think that only poor people get fucked by their system in a 'I got mine' mentality but that's not true. The biggest losers are the normal middle class folk that are too rich for government-sponsored programs but too poor to actually profit from elite healthcare. They are paying ridiculous premiums within the most bloated and expensive healthcare system on the entire planned and are too dumb to see that. The only group that really takes advantage of the current arrangements are a tiny elite of insurance and debt collector execs and shareholders.

If only free health care meant actually giving it to deserving people instead of dindos. Something Euros are now finding out the hard way. :^)

What hard way? You mean our multi-billion public budget surplus while maintaining a full-blown welfare state with free college and health with millions of refugees on the hook? Remember when Trump became the only president in American history that actually managed to increase the deficit while the economy was growing and employment was increasing? Why are Americans so bad with money?

>no actual content in these posts
>just a bunch of long-winded pasta from www.berniesanders.com that sounds superficially smart

You missed the part where he actually tries to justify importing rapefugees because "It's cool we can totes pay for them we're fiscally responsible, right guise?"

German cuckoldery and living in denial at this point is beyond imagination.

>not a single coherent argument addressing the points made
>making inaccurate claims of easily verifiable statistics like health care costs
>greetext memery

You lost any chance for rational discussion in the moment you had no arguments except the usual tired boring leftist class warfare ones.

>if only we killed all rich people and took their stuff, the world would be a more fair place

>free universal health care
>free

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>Wouldn't be better to spend less money on wars and more towards the provision for such a basic human right for their own citizens?
It'll be better if you can find a way to do that without causing geopolitical catastrophe. trump is doing that by pulling out of syria and Afghanistan. if the US govt has any sense it will pull most troops out of europe and demand the EU increase defense spending and do more to police north africa, since they're the ones who suffer the consequences of instability there. if that causes problems for european welfare states, thats too fucking bad, and just proof that the US military budget is the real reason Scandinavian countries can be the ((((((utopias)))))) that they are.
universal healthcare probably will happen at some point. trump moving the GOP away from free-market fundamentalism was the first domino to drop on the right. tucker carlson is even sceptical of the free market, and the Democracatic party is embracing progressivism and trying to fight off an increasingly strong socialist faction within it. single payer healthcare wont happen this year or the next, but possibly within the next 5 and most likely within the next 10. private insurance will still be allowed, as it should be, and funding it will be a buerocratic clusterfuck, but the country will be better off, and hopefully single payer system can become a point of bipartisian unity in the future, if we dont have a civil war by then.

The small minority that rakes in most of the income both decide about it and don't have a need for free healthcare because they can buy whatever treatment they need without a second thought. It would be a humanitarian thing to do but those who are in charghe of the decisionmaking don't have a need for it, therefore it wont happen. Has to be sad living in a developing country like that.

>single payer healthcare wont happen this year or the next, but possibly within the next 5 and most likely within the next 10
It can be tried on the state and local level, it isn't viable at the national level.

The German mentality is about being humane because you can afford it. The American mentality is about being inhumane out of spite, depite the fact that can afford otherwise. C'mon, just drop the façade of making shitty economical arguments that can easily debunked with two google searches. Just flat out admit that you are a socipathical asshole that wants other people drop dead in front of hospital steps.

@101415709
Yep same here. Kill rich people. #Feel the Bern!

Weak.

Nice strawman but the suggestion that health insurance execs are making profits in a country where healthcare is treated like a business is hardly a radically leftist suggestion.

>The German mentality is about being humane because you can afford it
Wasn't it something about destroying Europe in wars repeatedly because you can? :^)

states attempting to implement their own wouldn't work. they couldnt fund it and the fed gov. wouldnt be willing to do it for them. their would also be tons of complicated issues arising when people from those states get injured in others, or when someone from out of state gets injured in a state with UHC. it isn't politically viable *right now* but it will be in a matter of years if things continue as they are right now.

who cares
it's your responsibility to take care of your health and prevent health problems

>states attempting to implement their own wouldn't work
Massachusetts and Hawaii have UHC systems.

512 million Europeans are publically insured in each other's countries. Just another red herring. Of course it's viable.

We already do. It's called Medicare and Medicaid.

Thing is, it worked in Sweden in the 1970s when it was a homogeneous country of about 5 million people.

Then the "immigrants" came...

Ironically Israel has universal healthcare

And then what? Sweden still has a universal healthcare system. So does Germany or Switzerland for that matter.

Didn't read lmao

not true.
>en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Massachusetts_health_care_reform
> The law mandated that nearly every resident of Massachusetts obtain a minimum level of insurance coverage, provided free health care insurance for residents earning less than 150% of the federal poverty level (FPL)[1] and mandated employers with more than 10 "full-time" employees to provide healthcare insurance.
>The law was amended significantly in 2008 and twice in 2010 to make it consistent with the federal Affordable Care Act. Major revisions related to health care industry price controls were passed in August 2012, and the employer mandate was repealed in 2013 in favor of the federal mandate (even though enforcement of the federal mandate was delayed until January 2015).[2]
>Because Mitt Romney was the governor of Massachusetts at the time, the law has colloquially been called Romneycare, a reference to the nicknaming of the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act as "Obamacare".[3]

>And then what? Sweden still has a universal healthcare system.
And look now. 75% of entitlement spending in Sweden goes to "immigrants". I doubt it was the case in 1971.

low iq

You can see in MA that Romneycare was a mess that led to waiting lines and decreased quality of health care. In one small state. Imagine trying to apply this to a national level.

What's your point exactly? If they implemented the American system tomorrow they all would pay double and also enjoy worse coverage.

we are simply beyond national healthcare
11 million mexicans entered the US in 2018, and probably a couple hundred thousand more hiding under some dirt. I doubt German, Sweden, Finland, or any Euro country would sustain an influx this massive and that's just from one specific country imagine the rest.

Canada has 40 million people with 10 million shitskins but it still works fine

>Imagine trying to apply this to a national level.
That was the ACA you fucking retard.

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>it isn't viable at the national level
I don't think it would be constitutional anyway since health care isn't mentioned anywhere in the Bill of Rights.

"Whatever powers are not expressly granted to Congress therein are hereby granted to the states."

Not reading this

>That was the ACA you fucking retard.

Which was something less than a success, in fact it literally resulted in the Democrat Party being decimated in elections and ending up at their weakest stength since 1928.

Romneycare or Obamacare do not constitute comprehensive health care reforms, so does every proposal that does not include the public option. They are shitty compromised band-aid solutions. They are a joke.

35 million, it's not quite that many. That aside, the fact that many Canadians go across the border for medical treatment because of waiting lines is...yeah.

not the same as universal healthcare.
>I replied to everyone mom
>what do i do now

>They are shitty compromised band-aid solutions. They are a joke.

I know, if only we had like in Cuba where you have rusty hospital beds and no medicine (except for the ruling class who don't use their own health care system of course), then all would fine.

Europeans don't have universal health care either, you need an insurance.

So the obvious question Bernouts cannot answer is how one would pay for said UHC.

we raise tax by 1% and it goes directly to medical coverage instead of bombing mud hut #56 in islamabad

Imagine unironically believing that there is no middle ground between Cuba and the US. Imagine unironically parroting half-assed talking points like this one without seemingly zero reflectional capabilty.

Universal free healthcare is a mene.

Why do you all act like your healthcare is free?

There is a pretty straightforward answer to this. Every UHC in any developed country on the face of the planet is way cheaper than the current American system, sometimes significantly. Implementing UHC in the US would actually save hundreds of billions of dollars and pay for itself. No netto tax increase needed.

What do you mean? Can you elaborate? Can’t you just go to the doctor for anything and the tax payer pays it?

How do you know?

>Can’t you just go to the doctor for anything and the tax payer pays it?

Well you can if your name is Ngu or Walid, anyway.

I know that. But I mean actual French

How do I know what? That the US currently spends 17% percent of GDP on healthcare while Britain/France/Germany/Japan spend around 10-11%. You can look that up very easily dude.

Health care resources are obviously finite and you can only get what you can pay for, actually even in European cunts there are a lot of poor/depressed/outlying areas where there's not much access to any doctors or hospitals.

Right. But that doesn’t mean in the end it would be cheaper here if healthcare was government controlled and free for everyone. If anything, it would make illegal immigration worse

Every time I ask about this the only answer I get is about how the money has to come from somewhere, and that it'd come through taxes.
I'm not sure how much it'd cost the individual though.
Honestly a lot about these things confuse me since I only ever seem to get half answers whenever I try to dig deeper. It's very frustrating.

>implement UHC
>be white dude
>fuck, I accidentally chopped my thumb off while working construction I'm bleeding everywhere
>go to hospital
>be told that you have to wait in line because the doctors are all preoccupied doing gender reassignment operations and you're just some straight white dude who probably votes R*publican, so you're not a high priority item
>get gangrene
>die
And that, children, is what would happen in a world with socialized medicine.

Quite the opposite,ilegals cant go to hospitals without paying.
I come from a country with actual univeral healthcare, you dont even need ID

The French government is able to sustain its universal health care system on the archipelago of French Polynesia, an Island group that is more dispersed than the size of the American mainland. Meanwhile the US doesn't even manage to do that in its urban centers but keep the bullshit coming.

You know that we have photo IDs/health care cards for that right?

I know you are just memeing, but there is actual American people who thinks like this

OH BOO HOO BROWN PEOPLE MIGHT GET HEALTH CARE. IT'S SO TURRIBLE TO GIVE THEM SOME HELP AFTER BUSH NAZI BOMBED THEIR COUNTRIES IN A CRIMINAL IMPERIALIST WAR.

Long waiting times are not a systematic symptom of UHC. We have waiting times as low or even lower than American ones. It's due to Canada, often used as poster child by Americans for UHC, suffers from very specific coverage problems due to their population distribution.

So if you think Obamacare was ever meant to actually give anyone any sort of UHC and wasn't just a power grab/handout to Democrat voters, you're even stupider than you look.

Don’t gypsies abuse your healthcare system?

Dutch health care isn't free actually.

We have mandatory private insurances. You have to pay the private insurance. And you have to pay the first 385 euro you spend during the year, to demotivate people to use health care.

Obamacare was a cheap ripoff of the Dutch system, because our system combines accessible health care with jewish interests. But you messed it up.

How exactly?

Here if you have a full time job you are require to have private insurance. The employer pays Health and Welfare of the employee. But we still get taxed to pay into Medicare which is the healthcare for poors :(

>Here if you have a full time job you are require to have private insurance
That was thanks to Obama's fuckery.

Can’t gypsies go to the doctor like any Germans?

I think the concept is good, but implementation sucked. I don’t think Obamacare should go away, but I do think it needs to be reformed for sure

A big difference between our systems is also that we have price caps in place. Every imaginable action that a doctor can do during a procedure has a maximum price assigned to it. This keeps the costs down.

Although I think a bigger issue in America is that you have too few doctors and you have to get in debt to become a doctor, which has to be paid back. So I think cheaper education would actually be the best way to make your health care cheaper.

imagine being this retard, the 'jewish' intelligence clearly didn't applied to this guy

>but there is actual American people who thinks like this

They're called Democrats and that's the world they envision.

We have doctors. Most of them are foreign who come here for the massive doctor salaries. We have so many Korean and Japanese doctors here. They are very good though.

I do think that we need reform to get costs down for sure tho. But I really don’t think we should have the whole “free healthcare” that most people here on Jow Forums advocate.

With uni, there are ways students can have free college or at least heavily discounted. Just a problem with American millennials and zoomers in that they don’t want to go those routes.

Depends on the country.

Here you don't need insurance. You are covered by the public network which prioritizes the most serious cases. Sometimes waiting times are long, specially for check-ups and stuff like that.

You can choose to buy any number of private insurances each with it's own private network. Often, waiting times will be shorter, so you are basically paying extra for the convenience. Privates usually don't handle very serious stuff like organ transplants and stuff like that.

You pay taxes into the public network wether you use it or don't.

Without a healthcare card and proof of a public/private insurance? If they are willing to pay out of pocket, sure.

So if I'm a tourist and I got to a public hospital in Portugal they wont charge me? doubtful, people in my country are adviced to get an insurance if they go to any EU country period, real universal healthcare exists in some latino countries only.

If you’re paying for private you shouldn’t have to pay into public. I think we should do that here.

I like private. If I need specialty care, I can get an appointment same week.

If you have a EHIC then you would be charged for medically necessary treatment. In Germany they are printed on the back of the normal health cards.

>If you’re paying for private you shouldn’t have to pay into public.

thats the way it works here.

>the USA has 2.568 physicians per 1000 people in 2014
>sweden 4.188
>germany 4.125
>Netherlands 3.424

You already pay for it through your taxes like we do.
The difference is that you also have to pay again at the hospital, and at a much higher rate than is billed to the province in my country.

Well I like that. But socially it would never work because everyone already has private here except for poors (their healthcare is free). So if we stopped paying into it, they would all die and then everyone would say “America is third world and has no compassion! They let all of the poors die!”

if you need an insurance card then your healtcare is not universal

>The difference is that you also have to pay again at the hospital, and at a much higher rate than is billed to the province in my country.
I don’t know what you mean. I’ve been to the hospital on my insurance and X-ray and ultrasound and I only paid $30
Interesting. I have no idea, at least where I live it seems there are hospitals all over the place

You mean substandard insurance plans which will cover a broken bone or a bad flu, but will leave you bankrupt otherwise.

The UK with their famous NHS....
>2.806
Sad!