Last year, I held only BTC and felt as though alts were garbage. I got in right around the BCH fork and sold all my BCH scamcoin for BTC because that's what reddit told me to do.
Now, I'm doing my own research and realizing that regardless of the scaling solution, Roger Ver is not a scammer, he isn't trying to destroy Bitcoin "core," he loves bitcoin, but just disagrees with off-chain scaling.
At this point, who knows who is right, but he is absolutely enthusiastic, benevolent, and wanting to help others use digital currency.
Because of that, I bought 3 BCH that I'm going to hodl indefinitely. I'm very impressed with his professionalism and no longer hate this guy. In retrospect, I think I hated him so much because of the reddit propaganda I saw spread about him.
Not trying to sway anyone one way or another, and desu, I feel like DAG coins such as Nano or Iota are better long term investments, but I am hodling 1 BTC and 3 BCH just in case.
After doing my own research, I agree with him that bitcoin cash is the vision of bitcoin that was described in the whitepaper, and honestly hope that BTC and BCH both succeed in their own ways.
Just wanted to share with you all. Rather than spreading hate, we should all positively influence one another.
once you go cash you never go back. very bullish for BCH, it will keep stealing hashpower and user sentiment just think about it... nobody switches from supporting BCH to BTC, we only get converts from BTC every day over to the BCH camp
Honestly, you're right, but if we are both being realistic, neither has mass adoption. I told myself that I'd never sell a single crypto and only keep buying until I can spend it at McDonalds or Wal-mart, and at that point I'll only use it to buy goods and services. When Bitcoin "core" was pushed to its limit, tx fees skyrocketed and it was a disaster. I'm really excited to see what this BCH stress test will do in september. We will see what happens. Tbh, I just hope everyone wins, crypto gets mass adoption, us early adopters make a little scratch, and poor people stop getting fucked by banks.
Roger is smeared all the time. It's almost trump level smearing. People hate this guy for absolutely no reason other than because that's how they're told to feel. Quite sad really. Wake up guys. Bch is the real bitcoin.
William Gutierrez
>I feel like DAG coins such as Nano or Iota are better long term investments LMAO
Jaxon Morris
>People hate this guy for absolutely no reason other than because that's how they're told to feel. He's a retard with no actual knowledge of what he's talking about acting like an expert. He knows nothing about the actual technicals. The only thing he's good for is trying to set up that Libertarian country which will be a blast to watch crash and burn
James Collins
I'm unironically starting to believe that Craig Wright is Satoshi. I've called him a fraud and thought he was so shady but after digging into it I'm more and more convinced that Craig is satoshi. Someone please help before I become a bcash shill.
Christopher Gray
Dr. Craig S. Wright is unironically Satoshi Nakamoto and Bitcoin (BCH) is the only true implementation of his vision.
Ian Nelson
I really doubt Craig is Satoshi, but hell even if he is why is he worth listening to now?
Because he was behind 3 other failed forks He doesnt give a shit about anything but making money
Joseph Harris
Hello Roger
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This is clearly someone that is a true believer in Bitcoin. This is someone you'd really want to have on your side, working for your crypto. Nobody with this much passion exists on BTC nowadays, BTC have trolls online while BCH have Roger Ver flying all over the world and making important deals and meeting important people.
thanks to Roger Ver aka Bitcoin Jesus and CW aka Satoshi
Aiden Long
>BagCoinHolder bots at it again
Grayson Mitchell
kind of yes, i'm starting to see Roger ain't that bad after all. I ain't mad at ya PogerBear
Grayson Murphy
>I got in right around the BCH fork and sold all my BCH scamcoin for BTC because that's what reddit told me to do. >because that's what reddit told me to do. >reddit >plebbit You, sir... I have no words to describe your stupidity. I just hope crypto will die already just so the banks and scammers and whales won't profit from the masses.
this guy is awesome, have you seen the recent interview at The Vin Armani Show? of course you haven't because you just shitpost but here's the link anyway
wtf does he mean by... >for the most part, I stayed in the background of Bitcoin. Where? is? this? background? what did he do to make this claim? for all I can tell he popped up out of Roger Ver's asshole a year ago.
Sebastian Jackson
He loves Bitcoin and wants to change the world yet Reddit and Jow Forums shits on him. I feel like his intentions are pure. He's already rich and just wants to help others now.
Brandon White
>I feel like his intentions are pure. He's already rich and just wants to help others now.
Dude's the co-founder of Free Society, a project aimed at creating a Libertarian country. You need a fuckton of money to start that kinda thing up
Kayden Jones
not true. He's hated because he promotes on chain scaling, which is technically not possible, but he's too stupid to understand that.
Jacob Martin
he has good intentions but he's too stupid to understand that on chain scaling is technically impossible. BCH will not win. No matter what marketing you have, impossible tech is impossible tech.
Christian Wood
Is it though?
Daniel Ross
you boomers are still arguing over a prototype coin? get outta here pops!
Jackson Hernandez
>I got in right around the BCH fork >bitcoin maximalist checking in topfuckingkek stopped reading right there your opinion is invalid SAGE.
Landon Wright
How do libertarians punish criminals?
Jose Lopez
Lol you are retarded, onchain scaling is absolutely possible, in fact that's how Satoshi designed Bitcoin to scale before blockstream took over and started strangling the network.
Angel Green
>Spread lies and do smear campaigns >Get smeared Trump is a Saint.
Dude free market lmao. Most Libertarians accept you need a standing military and a few government entities, but honestly I'm not sure if that applies to a police force as well
>most of Jow Forums is none the wiser Maybe you joined late but Jow Forums was in 2017 pajeets shilling to other pajeets.
Isaac Rogers
>but he is absolutely enthusiastic, benevolent, and wanting to help others use digital currency. >I'm very impressed with his professionalism and no longer hate this guy. youtu.be/oCOjCEth6xI
Why do you continue to dismantle this community? You didn't get your way, so you had a fucking hissy-fit and fractured the community into the fragmented mess it is now. Even after everyone voted for BIP148, you still decided to irreversibly fuck up the network by hard forking because of "muh segwit blockstream conspiracy". I'm not saying you don't have legitimate concern. Blockstream is definitely a major influencer over SOME of the developers, but they by no means control bitcoin. BIP148 was voted in fair and square by the community. Instead of trying to cooperate with everyone else, you decided it was best to flip the table and fuck everyone over, including yourselves. You have destroyed any unity we had against the central banks and turned the whole crypto market into a cesspool of worthless shitcoins. If you had not flipped your shit over a slightly different technical implementation, we would be so much closer to destroying traditional banking.
You guys always fall for their fucking divide and conquer tactics. Surprise! Surprise! They successfully weakened both sides to the point where crypto is barely a threat to them. Crypto was about taking them on, and destroying their system; yet somehow they managed to be the ones to destroy our system. If crypto is to have a legitimate impact on the world, we must put aside our differences, and take on the real enemy. Stop talking about blocksizes or retarded shit that doesn't even matter at this point. Talk about the real problem at hand, the reason why bitcoin was created in the first place, the fractional reserve banking system. Stop focusing on destroying bitcoin core, and start focusing on destroying the federal reserve note.
If you don't we will both lose.
From, A bitcoin supporter
Gavin Cruz
Bitcoin fucked up the network. I won't tie myself to a sinking ship just because it floated at one point
t. bitcoin cash
Gabriel White
Bitcoin is a scam fork. A fraud. Bcash is the king of crypto.
Hudson Foster
Dear Bitcoin Cash Supporters,
Why do you continue to dismantle this community? You didn't get your way, so you had a fucking hissy-fit and fractured the community into the fragmented mess it is now. Even after everyone voted for BIP148, you still decided to irreversibly fuck up the network by hard forking because of "muh segwit blockstream conspiracy". I'm not saying you don't have legitimate concern. Blockstream is definitely a major influencer over SOME of the developers, but they by no means control bitcoin. BIP148 was voted in fair and square by the community. Instead of trying to cooperate with everyone else, you decided it was best to flip the table and fuck everyone over, including yourselves. You have destroyed any unity we had against the central banks and turned the whole crypto market into a cesspool of worthless shitcoins. If you had not flipped your shit over a slightly different technical implementation, we would be so much closer to destroying traditional banking.
You guys always fall for their fucking divide and conquer tactics. Surprise! Surprise! They successfully weakened both sides to the point where crypto is barely a threat to them. Crypto was about taking them on, and destroying their system; yet somehow they managed to be the ones to destroy our system. If crypto is to have a legitimate impact on the world, we must put aside our differences, and take on the real enemy. Stop talking about blocksizes or retarded shit that doesn't even matter at this point. Talk about the real problem at hand, the reason why bitcoin was created in the first place, the fractional reserve banking system. Stop focusing on destroying bitcoin core, and start focusing on destroying the federal reserve note.
If you don't we will both lose.
From, A bitcoin supporter
Ryan Hall
We have our differences. I support offchain scaling you guys don't.
That's fine.
We need to work together to destroy the banks. Focus your energy dismantling bitcoin on dismantling the banking system. The banks are the greater threat.
Kayden Taylor
Lightning netwrok IS the banking system. Don't be a cuck for blockstream
Samuel Carter
fuck off kike, we will not let you bankster faggots corrupt bitcoin
Charles Gonzalez
an individual who with the qualities described does not act in such a manner even if triggered.
Austin Butler
No it's not. Not even close. The "IOUS" you guys bitch about are backed on chain.
But it doesn't matter. Stop focusing on bitcoin core and develop your network how you see fit. Just remember that we, and everyone else in the crypto network are your allies, and our enemy is the banking system.
Juan Bennett
Do some research into the kikes. This is what they do. They divide and conquer their enemies. They play BOTH sides. Don't let them. We must remain united against them, or they will destroy the entire crypto market.
Xavier Bennett
>The "IOUS" you guys bitch about are backed on chain. You either are a pajeet or you completely miss the point, the debate never was against the LN, it was against limiting the onchain txs to force people into the LN.
even if infinite on-chain scaling was not possible BTC needed scaling right now and it was possible to scale it by a factor of 32 just by changing 1 line of code. just increasing the block size to 2 MB would have prevented BCH from ever existing and a bunch of stores wouldn't have dropped their bitcoin support.
Hey ver, does it suck not being able to come back to the US??????
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH fucking felon
Joseph Ramirez
he sent firecrackers through the mail, oh no
Jayden King
I never didn't believe in him. I am an an-cap so I always had a soft spot for him, but after being in BTC since 2012 and going through the DISASTER that truly was censorship by /u/theymos on Jow Forumsbitcoin was insane.
Once Mike Hearn started coming out and saying this was headed towards disaster, I should have paid more attention. Luckily though, shortly after I went all in into ETH so everything turned out fine but the point is that BTC core devs did this to themselves. Have you ever wanted to see what peak autism looks like? Go watch some interviews with Luke Dashjr. The core devs do NOT understand economics at all and let me say one last thing
LIGHTNING NETWORK WILL NEVER EVER WORK
Luis Johnson
Lol if bitcoin dies this entire experiment fails. No one needs a better centralized VISA. No one will trust any Bitcoin again. Bitcoins value is derived from the immutability. If your shitcoin is actually better let it be better focusing on improving the tech and adoption not that hard. With that said I have no hard feelings against any of you.
Camden Wilson
"Big blocks win" -Satoshi Nakamoto
Oliver Bell
Even if Lightning Network worked I dunno who ever thought it was a good idea that other people can deplete your payment channel. If you go to the pub but can't pay because someone else paid with your channel the other night and you now have to make an on-chain payment to refill your channel then what was the point of LN in the first place?
Luckily Bitcoin is alive and well with Bitcoin Cash though.
>At this point, who knows who is right Talking like a true retard. If you can do a bit of math and "research" you'd figure out that off-chain solutions are the only way to reach visa levels.
Angel Wood
tell me how many transactions per second can bcash do, and then look at visa. Then calculate the block size to reach visa levels. Then realize how long it takes to TRANSFER that amount, and then realize that 10 minute blocks are impossible.
Charles Cruz
we don't need VISA levels today. the 1 MB block just got full at the end of 2017. what we did need was 2 MB blocks. it's not smart to try to scale for something that might be needed in 50 years while completely neglecting the actual needs of today.
a 2mb blocksize wouldn't have stopped bitmain and ver from trying to co-opt btc once again unlimited, xt, all the other failed forks...
Jason Cox
it's about keeping bitcoin bitcoin. if BTC wouldn't have crippled itself Ver would have kept promoting it. as for bitmain im not so sure but im sure they already have most of the BTC in existance anyway so it doesn't matter much
Bitcoin Cash is certainly interesting but they need to prove that their tech is better by getting some real use cases and by sustaining a high TX count with low fees.
I've looked into the people that back it and their ideas, and it all seems good. But it's time to prove things.
I saw that there is a stress test for BCH coming on Sept 1 and another hardfork/upgrade in November. Maybe by then BCH can start showing some signs of life. Right now I heard it has less TX than Doge.
If BCH can live up to the hype then it truly is a sleeping giant. But like I said, there needs to be proof of life.
Cooper Taylor
also you may not realize it but Bitcoin XT came about simply because of BTC's refusal to just fucking increase the blocksize in 2015. yes, the debate is that old. unlimited (a bitcoin cash full node implementation) derived from XT. however since the blocks still had room to grow XT didn't gain enough support, there were still hope that BTC would snap out of their stubbornness. however this time people have seen how dense BTC people are so bitcoin cash became a success.
>but they need to prove that their tech is better it's literally the exact same tech that bitcoin have been using for almost 10 years. there's nothing left to prove man.
>it's the exact same tech Right, that's why most people are content to sit on BTC and not make the switch.
If BCH wants to FLIP then they have to prove that they are worth switching to and are much better. My feelings are this: institutions and businesses know which coin is better and will slowly ONLINE their applications on the BCH blockchain But they wont do that until BCH passes certain tests and milestones. SBI Bits was the beginning , dipping a toe in the space. A subsidiary of a subsidiary.
Big things have the potential to come to BCH but all of the attacking of BTC is dumb. Just go prove that your tech is better by having real use on it.
Nicholas Butler
fbpb
Asher Sanders
HAVE been using for almost 10 years. BTC isn't using it anymore with SegWit and these crazy lightning off-chain.
besides even if the tech is the same the limits and mindsets are. BCH has 32 times more on-chain capacity and will allow for upgrades (hard forks) twice per year. BCH doesn't fear 0-conf transactions for small payments. BCH wants as low fees as possible while BTC devs have openly stated that bitcoin isn't for poor people.
I'm not attacking shit btw, all I'm doing is saying how things are. BTC is no longer bitcoin and the people in charge of the GitHub repository should be fucking ashamed of their community that censor posts on reddit and drag poor Roger Ver's name in the dirt after all he's done for them. screw their so-called store of value, I want my digital cash back.
I agree with what you're saying But the average person won't be swayed by this.
Maybe if BCH comes near parity with BTC it will force people to understand. But if that's not a possibility in the near future then my suggestion is to make BCH shine by giving it real use cases that make BTC look like old outdated tech (like it is).
Benjamin Cook
Worst thing to do is drag down the entire market by trying to kill BTC just because you think BCH is better. Maybe in 2020 you can try that play. But not today.
actually, I think the right time is about now. we're already in the middle of a 7-month bear market, BTC has lost around 70% of its valuation compared to its ATH... Might as well go into a full blown multi-year bear market and start over with the better product. Once we get back to a point where BTC is used as much as it was back in november-december, we're going to be glad that the scaling debate has been settled once and for all.
