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China is not socialist at all. It is a country with more freedom and capitalism in economy than any of Western countries, including even the USA. Since Deng Xiaoping China's only ideology is pragmatism: it takes what it is useful for China from all systems and doctrines possible: capitalism, liberalism, social darwinism, corporatism, state/economic interventionism, marxism, nationalism, and so on and so forth. None of these systems is dominant in the mixture, although capitalism and money-making seems to be most important part of it. A Chinese wakes up everyday and thinks only about making money.

ah yes, a facist country that is a key part of the global economy mm yes hmmmmm

Fascist/nazi is useful label-word to defame your enemy nowadays. But it lost the original meaning long time ago.

>China is not socialist at all. It is a country with more freedom and capitalism in economy than any of Western countries, including even the USA. Since Deng Xiaoping China's only ideology is pragmatism: it takes what it is useful for China from all systems and doctrines possible: capitalism, liberalism, social darwinism, corporatism, state/economic interventionism, marxism, nationalism, and so on and so forth. None of these systems is dominant in the mixture, although capitalism and money-making seems to be most important part of it. A Chinese wakes up everyday and thinks only about making money.

This short video shows the best what the Chinese think about Western socialism: youtube.com/watch?v=t_M5AzNXecM

In the USSR , did not count GDP. They counted the amount of product produced.

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The USSR was just a nickname of Russia, that's why this failed creation was unable to supply its population even with toilet paper and sausage, not to mention being even in 1/100 as saturated with goods, infrastructure and economical power as today's China is. Russia is a parody of human kind.

it's not so simple, I mean there are undercurrents of the maoist era still around

the reality is despite a one party state, there are factions in that one-party, namely the old maoist guard, middle grounders, moderate liberals/capitalists etc.

>believe the CCP's figures
>not realizing China is in a massive bubble that's about to burst

Doctrinal communism doesn't exist in China. There is no "class conflict" there, no collectivisation, no dictatorship of proletariat, no nationalisation of means of production. All ideological pillars of communism don't exist in China. China is marxist in symbolics. But it is not socialist/communist. Even Polish court decided lately that marxism can't be equalized with communism.

rp.pl/Zadania/302129990-NSA-gmina-sama-zdecyduje-co-zrobic-z-ulica-Karola-Marksa.html

It is forbidden in Poland to use symbolics of totalitarian systems such as nazism and communism. That's why some people wanted to remove street of Karl Marx. But the Polish high court decided that idolizing Karl Marx is not propagating of communism at all.

Oh I forgot

>thinking that China is actually a socialist country when it doesn't even have universal healthcare

China is as "socialist" as the Democratic republic of North Korea is democratic

>China is as "socialist" as the Democratic republic of North Korea is democratic

China is just big Singapore.

The Soviet Union had the econd highest GDP for a large amount of the timeline on this graph, third highest for a lot of it too. Why is it not on this?

Nobody is interested in artificial data generated by Russian subhumans to make their "prison of nations" appear stronger and richer than it is in reality. Russian statistic data was and is completely incredible.

we're not a superpower though, or rather, we don't have the advantages of one

true, I'm not saying it's like Mao's era, just the remnants and memories of it are still around.

And technically, nationalisation of industries is not specifically socialist thing, given America has a firm grip (if it wants to) on it's defense firms, and collectives in china still 'exist' but really only in very specific villages etc.

>we're not a superpower though, or rather, we don't have the advantages of one

My point was that China was engineering its model of growth mostly on example of Singapore which they find attractive

ehhh, it's definitely true to specific cities like shenzhen, but that is only one aspect of their entire plan

they have much more leverage at promoting their own corporations than we do for example

>being this assblasted

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>PSHE PSHE PSHE
Evil polish sounds

USSR data was completely fake. Real russian economy might have been in top 10, might not have. No real way to know.

A russian is a mix of a monkey with a jew. Its whole "power" is based only on brutal military power, joined with lie, bluff and spreading of misery. A Chinese is a real human that i will always respect even if my country becomes "hostile" for them due to shortsighted policy of our politicians. But a russian (deliberately lack of capital letter) will be always a dumb and primitive animal in my eyes. A Chinese is a representative of ancient culture that is superior to the West, objectively. I generally have a lot of admiration and respect for the Asian people.

See

Hungarians might be dumb and primitive animals too if you like Russians.

user, please see

given the course of history, it is easy to see this from the polish side, but it does depend on which country, for example:

youtube.com/watch?v=nkHM4ajLfD0&t=8s

for example, a french person will probably think about japan as a place where animation is everywhere, while a chinese person will likely contextualize it as an opportunistic country, ready to take advantage of weaknesses, etc.

>USSR data was completely fake.
t. CIA

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A russian is inferior creature. It is unable to feed even itself, so how come it was able to feed nations that it kept enslaved and imprisoned according to you?

theres alot of hot debate about cornman though no?

Only from butthurt Stalinists.

It was capable of feeding everyone, there were no major famines after '47.

>$3 trillion to $2.3 trillion
That’s depressing as fuck. We haven’t even gotten back to $3 trillion yet but when we do - we won’t have the same share of the world’s overall GDP as we did in 2007. Fuck.

Also of the three famines that hit the USSR, two of them were directly caused by wars. Only the 1932 famine happened during peacetime, and took place during the dust bowl, which was a massive drought that affected the entire northern hemisphere.

On a related not Magyarbro, what is your take on Hungary 56?

Why do you turn the thread about China into thread about subhumans?

what happened to the UK in the 70's?

What the fuck is that shrink the UK’s economy at the end all about? That never happened. We’re on the brink of breaking $3 trillion again. Lying cunt. Fuck you.

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>china
>socialist

Pole China-fag. Very interesting

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Eternal butthurt, never change Pole

Majority of Hungary's female population is cheap and dirty prostitutes, only because your country was deprived of chance for accumulation of capital and now you are few times poorer than the West that had such ability. The only entity responsible for taking away this ability from you is a russian subhuman. Do you even realize it? Just look at China, if you search for healthy and successful alternative for the West, instead of looking at alcoholic impoverished society of brainwashed primitives and triple-anal whores serving as a source of cheap gas and oil for the West. Maybe you are so fond of losers because you are one?

>China
>Socialist

Pick one.

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Is this what radical centrism looks like?

user, I think the history is more complicated than that, China is improving but it still isn't perfect

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ANY DAY NOW

>China is improving but it still isn't perfect

Just like Poland, you know? Their salaries are still lower than ours but growing faster, so they are on good path. I wish them all the best, because i am fascinated by their hardworking ethos and ancient culture.

>Russian calling anyone else evil
>He cries out while he hits you

Sure, but it still is a historical fact that the stable founding of the PRC was done my the CCP, not a nationalist or monarchist party

They will eventually come to the crossroad of either using their superpower status to pick up the old flag of socialism (even if it really is just the promotion of certain policies as opposed to something like mass class warfare) or be content as the world's largest economy.

>they have much more leverage at promoting their own corporations than we do for example

Sorry for neglecting the discussion but some muppets manipulated me into talking about the russian. Here in Poland we openly admit that we made one mistake in comparison with China when we were changing our economical system from russian socrealism into capitalism. When China was making its reforms in 70s, it made one simple rule. The Chinese leadership told Western corporations: "you can invest here as much as you want, and build as many factories as you want, without any limites, but only under one condition: that you won't be flooding our internal market with your production, and instead you will be only producing them here and exporting them abroad". Western capitalists agreed on this gladly because they only cared about cheap labour. But they didn't realize that it was beginning of their demise. Thanks to this sole fact that China disagreed for Western products to be sold on their market, it managed to create a market-pressure on creation of domestic Chinese companies copying Western products. First companies were making very shitty copies, and most of them were low-tech. We remember China's early period mainly from producing low-tech trash. But the dragon was improving day after day, hour after hour. Their copy-products were becoming more high-tech and more advanced.

Meanwhile here in Poland we said to Western investors in 90s: "OK, guys, you can invest here as much as you want, you can produce here as much as you want in your new shiny factories, and we also agree so you could sell your products here. This decision killed a lot of local Polish companies that couldn't compete with technologically superior western products. That's why China's GDP was growing faster than ours for all these decades. And today China has a lot of global champion companies such as Huawei or Lenovo, while Poland has close to none

I heard news that said Japan's economy took the 2nd spot from China's last year.

Another reason is China as a market, even with all the hoops, Apple still made a lot from China

Ultimately, Poland's tech problems should have been something the EU protected or integrated if the EU was more integrated and more forgiving

>I heard news that said Japan's economy took the 2nd spot from China's last year.

The Japanese, the Chinese, the South Korean, you all guys are incredible and you should rather cooperate and ally with each other instead of fighting each other, if you want to know my opinion. All of you are extremely intelligent and productive. It is a waste of energy and your genetical material to go into wars with each other. You should rather focus on building your potential and power that could turn the so called "West" and anglosphere into impoverished and irrelevant part of the world.

Here in Poland we have a rational reason to oppose the Russian because they are low-IQ inferior creatures who turn whole region of Central-Eastern Europe into destroyed and impoverished land for centuries, working this way for benefit of the West that takes advantage of it by using our populations for their needs, as we are always poorer than they are, due to Russian savagery and primitivism. But you guys don't have even a single reason to oppose and destroy each other. You should just find a golden middle and enrich each other with technologies, investments, money flows and populations.

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China had 1 billion fucking people, and only started getting close to the USA after dropping planned economy and adopting state capitalism (so, pseudo communism). If anything it's a roaring endorsement of the strength of the free market.