Communism is bad because iPhones, Venezuela, 750 jillion dead

>communist government.
Kill yourself zhang

it doesnt take long when you are so late to the process

Socialism/communism is "bad" because of economic blockades and restrictions from the west, especially USA.

Nobody can refute this.

>it’s the communists fault Russia wasn’t industrialized under the Tsar

wtf i love Mαkεδονία now

True, but here is a the counter argument. This Soviet style 'forced' labour ie working gulag prisoners to build roads, might have been more effective with free labour. Although it's questionable if the Soviet people could have adapted that style. Imo communism must not inspected with taking into account both sides of the coin.

ummm sweaty look at this this is the big black book of gommunism and it says stalin killed 500 gorillion people so marx was wrong ok bye

There was an entire USSR sphere of trade control vs the USA sphere of trade control, and the USA sphere won out, by a big margin

Humans are shit at micromanagement and that includes state planned economies. Utter shit. Imagine electing a bus driver to plan out the complexities of your national microeconomy down to the letter, my God you faggots deserve to be thrown out of a chopper.

not at all what i said

>what is a civil service
wait nvm the us doesnt have one at the minute lmao

>This Soviet style 'forced' labour ie working gulag prisoners to build roads
This is a practice used in most countries. The US makes use of unpaid prison labour to this day, and has a larger prison population than the height of the gulags.

>COMMUNISM GOOD LOOK AT ALL THESE FAILED CAPITALISTS STATES (that just so happen to be post-communist)

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>turned a backwards shithole into a spacefaring superpower

the only reason the soviet union saw so much growth was because it was such a shithole to begin with. Even the most inefficient system that yields any growth was better than the status quo. Growth under communism was unsustainable and stagnated in the ussr in the 70s.

>saved the world from Nazism
Like a lion stealing a tigers prey.

>critical role in ending colonialism
Colonialism wasn't economically viable in the 20th century where economic focus shifted away from materials. Even if there was no USSR, there would still be an antagonist to the USA that would fund proxy wars and guerrilla uprisings in africa.

>now 99,9999% here can read, instead of 10%
The same happened under capitalism. Education is not inherent or exclusive to communism. It was just a function of and conducive to economic growth.

>we were kinda doing ok until tumour aka nomenclature killed the union with their retarded policies and power struggle
what?
if you're talking about the fall of communism: communism wasn't sustainable and would have collapsed into it self. What you're trying to describe are just symtoms of that. Not saying the shift to a capitalist system in the USSR couldn't have gone smoother

>the only reason the soviet union saw so much growth was because it was such a shithole to begin with.
Refer to

this and also the fact the USSR was a dictatorship with no care for human life along the way makes it an easy task for any system

So you agree that the only reason the USSR saw such great growth is because the fact they were lagging behind so much?

Ah I see,
>Japan, Taiwan, Korea industrialized after WWII in 1950s-1970s
>It's thanks to hard work of people!
>China industrialized 30 years later and only after they ended the primitive socialism system
>It's the bless of socialism!

I was talking about the Soviet Union, which industrialized under Stalin.
It being a shithole makes it harder to industrialize, not easier. It’s harder to develop when you have practically no base to work with.

nobody is claiming it is the communist fault for being a shithole to begin with you ESL mongoloid, just that going from little industry to full industrialization is obviously going to improve the economya shitton. Being so late allows it to have full knowledge on the process and see others past mistakes, as well as build up using modern tech, while those that started early will still have the old tech taking up space have to mix in the new

Except that statement isn’t an indictment of communism in any way, and doesn’t change the fact that communism dramatically improved the lives of millions of people in Russia.

>1) now 99,9999% here can read, instead of 10%
Universal education and high literacy rate as a result of it could be thanks to a powerful effective government, regardless of ideology
>we were kinda doing ok until tumour aka nomenclature killed the union with their retarded policies and power struggle
That's kinda given in every single country or system that doesn't have proper check and balance.
Well it is easier to have higher social mobility when you kill off former experts

>Universal education and high literacy rate as a result of it could be thanks to a powerful effective government, regardless of ideology
So all the good things are a result of specific policies not linked to ideology, but all the bad things are because communism?

>saved the world from Nazism
how is the due to communism? does it take communism to send your ill equipped population into the german meat grinder until it jams due to pressure on two-three fronts
>critical role in ending colonialism
nigga no that shit was dying off on its own

>capitalism failing ex Soviet states is communism's fault

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it is disingenuous to say the improvement was from communism

Russia in the 19th century was backward and bureaucratic like Ottoman or China and even lose to Japan at the time, so industrialization and modernization under that system was impossible. Soviet being the next government in the country of Russia mean they get the chance to actually implement measures that can bring the country's system up to modern standard, so it is natural that they finished the task.
What? In the very same post I just mentioned another negative point that's not related to ideology

>practically no base to work with.
they had a shit ton of arable land, they literally taxed the farms on that land to death and funded the industrialization that way.

>It being a shithole makes it harder to industrialize, not easier
the techonology had already been invented (under capitalist systems), widespread and therefore easy and cheap to produce, it just had to be implemented.
again: any growth, no matter how inefficient was better than the status quo.

I know nothing about communism and politics, I just hate the rich and want everyone to have a house and free healthcare and education.
What political ideology is this

>(that just so happen to be post-communist)

umm user i...

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idealism

By being directly funded by the western block throughout the war, partnering with western corporations and experts to get factories running, spying on western colleges, trading mineral wealth for fine goods they needed from the west, sicking chekas on factory workers that protested industrial conditions, running forced labour camps, and by disregarding the interests of huge swaths of the population which didn't "advance history".

>socialism only fails because capitalists won't sell socialists the things they need
Really gets those synapses firing.

One-state party with meritocracy.

Translation: The Chinese citizen was fined 500 Yuan for tweeting an illegal message "How Venezuela turned from the richest democratic country in the world to a totalitarian socialist country" on twitter.

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I wonder if some major war had something to do with that?

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>richest democratic country in the world
>richest
>democratic

he deserved to be fined just for being a brainlet

>richest democratic country in the world
500 yuan is not enough

because capitalist won't let socialists to sell their products outside their border*

inb4 canadatard claims china's success is due to communism

I was wonder where the off topic cringe thread was.

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That is mutual and both sides can still sold their products to non-aligned countries

communist China made your iPhone

is that an unfinished meme?

...

>Modern China
>Communist
>pic related

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