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FAQ U: >How do I learn a language? What is the best way to learn one? How should I improve on certain aspects? Read the wiki before asking in the thread >Should I learn lang Y so I can learn lang X? No >What is the most useful language? Wolof >What language should I learn? Plattdeutsch
Who put the orthography shit in the German page? I wanna kick your ass
Zeige dich!
Wyatt Diaz
I want to learn French, especially quebec style French. Can I and is it worth it?
David Howard
Most of the resources out there are for French French, but I'm sure there are resources out there for learning Canadian French. One thing to keep in mind is that the formal forms of Canadian French and French French are virtually identical other than a few differences in vocabulary; the main differences between Canadian French and French French involve traits of informal Canadian French.
Nathaniel Adams
Anyone know the translation to these lyrics? Possibly with the lyrics themselves? Couldn't find any resources for them. Really liked it. youtube.com/watch?v=sVnjumhrOQ8 Afaik, it's in Hindi.
Colton James
qui, qua, quo quorum, quarum, quorum ..
Fuck me, high school latin PTSD is gonna give me nightmares tonight. Fucking shame that I've suffered for 3 years and couldn't translate anything but the most basic texts these days..
Assume that I'm able to spend every hour of every day I'm not eating, sleeping, showering or shitting studying languages for 70 weeks straight, and partaking in intensive Chinese courses which take up 8hrs per day 5 days per week.
Do you think it would be possible to spend two additional hours per day studying Russian, one in Italian, and one in Swedish over these 70 weeks, and reach a decent level of proficiency in all of them?
Why is German considered harder than French for an English speaker? From what I can tell German is much more similar to English and it's hard for me to believe that the German case system is a bigger obstacle overall than French pronunciation. Is it just that English has so much French vocabulary?
is there someone here learning a language with no interest in visit/culture/people/cuisine of those countries where the language is spoken? You like only the language. Maybe you saw an interview, heard a song or whatever. How is it going?
Henry Gutierrez
I did not care about Wales until I heard Welsh. Then I immediately became a Walesboo desu, it's my favourite language
Probably not an answer you wanted, but I started learning Esperanto on a whim, without any cultural or political motivations. I just came across it a few times in various media and got curious. I didn't realize how fun it would be, and before I knew it I was hooked. Learning it has been fun I think it's going well, considering how lazy my practice has been.
Based. I think Welsh is very pretty language. It's on my "want to learn but probably wont get around to learning in any real capacity" list. Then again, my dad's side of the family is welsh. Apparently my great grandfather used to read a local welsh newspaper over here in states. My parents have a recording of my grandmother singing a song he used to sing when she was little. She only knows it phonetically (and probably mispronounced everything). She was told never to sing it to a welsh person though, so I'm really curious what's in there. One of these days I want to see if it can be translate.
eh depends on the individual, i've heard people from both sides say the other was easier for them.
Owen Gomez
I don't know any French but I am learning German, and I read the whole page easy peasy I was thinking 'aloud' is all
Charles White
French pronounciation is not difficult.
Ethan Jackson
It is good to hear your German skills are really good, some people would love to be able to pick up German that easily. I think German tends to be a more consistent and "obvious" too if you get what i mean.
How long have you been learning French for? How do you find it?
French pronunciation isnt much harder than correct german pronunciation, they both require you to use the gutteral R. The only thing "hard" about french pronunciation are the nasal sounds
>German is much more similar to Englis
I take it youve never studied German, yea there are similarties ans cognates betweent the 2 langs but french and english share so many cognates that makes french appear more familiar than german
Also what the australian said
Xavier Ross
German must be a brainlet language for slavs that speak in 50 cases
Parker Rodriguez
>The only thing "hard" about french pronunciation are the nasal sounds Probably this. I've heard people who spoke almost perfect french, almost without foreign accent, but still couldn't get those nasal sounds quite right. There's a lot of those in french and I guess they're pretty unnatural for foreigners.
Sebastian Jenkins
God I wanna give up lads... why is listening so difficult. >"Just like listen to comprehensible audio bro 80% and above!" Im a beginner... so nothing is comprehensible.. I can't even recognise single words.. :(
wot do.. sorry for blog post.
Lincoln Ross
>listening to pimsleur spanish >yo nordeamerikano this sounds stupid and retarded
Blake Gray
Tfw I miss all the free time I had to fuck around with Dutch, Swedish, Danish, and Old Norse
Brody Harris
What lang are you learning? You should slow down the speed to .75x on Youtube and keep replaying segments
Thomas Price
But I always hear that you should only listen to native speed because that's what your gonna end up hearing all the time... 한국어 btw
Christopher Thompson
You have to actually have a base of vocabulary to have hearing comprehension , which requires actually reading
Christopher James
I know around 1k-1.5k words.. but then I hear that you shouldn't read too much at the start because you can fug your listening skill up.
Why is so much dogma passed around in language learning ㅜㅜ
Ryan Smith
These things take time but don't get discouraged. I remember being elated when I could pick out single words. Now I can passively understand like 80% at normal speed, more if I focus. And as a bonus, lately when I listen to other languages that share words I can pick out a few here and there, which was a compete surprise. Overall, it's been very rewarding.
Honestly, it's not the speed, it's the distortion. I have a _harder_ time listening at the x.75 speed, because its garbled and metallic sounding. Maybe is you use the high quality slowing on audacity or something it would be worth it at like 90%.
Connor Robinson
and also.. how do I read without knowing words :( is this a catch-22 :(
Levi Adams
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Julian Ramirez
Work on them at the same time. Read, watch some stuff, try to speak, go back to reading, etc. I would personally say it's never to early to start listening. Your brain needs to get used to picking out sounds, because it's build to ignore "noise". The less the language is noise to your brain, the fewer sounds it will filter out, the easier it will be to pick words out.
Unironically listen to kids stories / songs. The words are simpler and they usually speak clearer. As an added bonus they usually cover things like colors and counting, which is the same stuff a beginner would cover.
Leo Russell
I've been pretty much exclusively listening only korean audio 24/7 for a month.. And it all sounds the same still::( I can pick out the super common words obviously but anything more and it just sounds like slurred garble.
Jonathan Cruz
and I can't enjoy any content yet because I just can't understand what's going on.. I am a brainlet and a memorylet which doesn't help.
Andrew Brooks
Try songs then. They're not always the most clear (a lot of singers morph vowels more than you would assume), but you can find the lyrics and try to pick out the words you understand within the song. I found it less boring when I could only understand one word here and there. You said you're studying Korean? Here's an artist I found that you might like: youtube.com/watch?v=zxTLz5Z7dPA Just be careful with songs and don't spam the same artist/style because you're likely to pick up slang/idioms once you start understanding more. Imagine someone who learned English through gansta rap.
> I can pick out the super common words This didn't excite you at all? It's not easy for anyone, especially when it's a completely foreign language from across the globe. Just remember it takes time and be proud of what you've done.
>Why is so much dogma passed around in language learning ㅜㅜ This isn't exclusive to language learning. I would say fitness is _way_ worse. With both though persistence pays off way more than trying to micro-optimize your routine. Chances are if people argue over which way to do something so heavily the difference between doing it one way or not isn't that important. This is such a well-known phenominon in software development that a name was coined for it -- bikeshedding: en.wiktionary.org/wiki/bikeshedding
Angel James
Yeah I listen to about 8 hours of songs a day.. always got my earphones in. It doesn't excite me picking out the super common words because it doesn't lead to any more understanding than 0 words :/ I guess I just gotta listen more.. but I mean I've been listening to korean music daily for almost 5 years now.
Sebastian Cox
Are you looking up the lyrics too? Listen to a song, look up the lyrics, translate the lyrics, then go back to the song again and listen a few times. It's a lot easier to pick words out if you've done the translation, and now your brain is associating the sound of that word with your translation. Even now if I listen to songs passively my brain picks out very little.
Jaxon Jackson
No I've never looked lyrics up.. I've heard the grammar in songs is a lot different to actual speaking so I thought I could teach me bad habits?? I don't know :( I don't think I have the skill to translate an entire song.. would probably take a whole day up haha
Michael Russell
>1711 What?
Isaiah Perez
>I thought I could teach me bad habits?? Yes, it might. This is why I wouldn't over do it.
> I don't think I have the skill to translate an entire song Do a verse of a children's song then. I'm not familiar with korean so I can't help you locate a good one, but I'm sure there are some quality ones out there (which will cover topics like body parts, colors, etc, and because of their simple nature likely have less slang in them). But you're right that it will take time and effort to do it, but so does learning a language. This is why those "learn x while you sleep" tapes were a scam. You don't learn that way. Just like if you can talk you're not exercising, you're not learning if you can shitpost while you're trying to listen to it.
Cameron Jones
thanks for getting me out of my 1 hour depressive rut fren :( I feel somewhat motivated again
sorry for clogging the thread with my pitty posting everyone :D
Colton Roberts
Eh, don't be sorry. You're posting on-topic content in a general that needs to be bumped to life several times a day. It might not be a sexy topic, but it's no less important. Just remember that I'm not an expert. I'm just sharing what I felt was helpful.
Alexander Johnson
Immo, ille *memator stultus est
Brody Martin
Bump
Joseph Long
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Charles Davis
we were on page 6 but now we're on page 7. before that we were on page 5
Isaiah White
this
Landon Rogers
Fuck those filthy diacritical marks, ruining the purity of the alphabet! Rate how I'm going to write my Esperanto from now on
The breve over 'ŭ' is supposed to bend the other way, friend. Also, I aesthetically prefer the hat over the stem of the h, but your way isn't incorrect by any means. Your post means we're up to tri eperantistoj in /lang/ now, as the other guy I spoke to here is Australian (assuming that wasn't you under a proxy or traveling.) Bonege!
Idk, once you get that many it starts looking cool again.
Nathan Nelson
Oh wait, I just understood what you were asking about. Degeneracy. If you're going to do something so disgusting, just use the 'h' system instead, which is (slightly) less degenerate.
I'm not sure what exactly caused your sudden wanjo de koro, but what I've shared is simply my own solution for being lazy and only wanting to write single, non-accented letters
Jordan Martin
>he doesn't study a language whose very existence is disputed
You can do whatever you please, but nobody is going to put the work into understanding what you mean. It's less legible than just leaving the marks off and hoping people can tell from context what you meant.
Kayden Clark
That's probably right, and I'll probably use the formal characters when actually communicating with it. But I will bide my time, user. I will make a single-character Esperanto alphabet a reality...
> single-character Better get rid of j then, as it's just i with a mark on the bottom. And G is just C with a mark on it. Oh, and don't forget that w is just two v's glued together, so it's gotta go too. :^)
I know how beneficial it'd be to do just an hour a day each day. Literally all it would take would be an hour for both my languages, so 2 hours or day, or shit, even 30 mins for them. Yet I don't always do it, why not? I don't know.
Well, it's based on it, but I memed it as bumping page 7. :^)
It's verse 11 from the Bull Demon Destroyer Hymn- uh... I mean Mahishasuramardini Stotram.
अयि सुमनःसुमनःसुमनः सुमनःसुमनोहरकान्तियुते श्रितरजनी रजनीरजनी रजनीरजनी करवक्त्रवृते । सुनयनविभ्रमर भ्रमरभ्रमर भ्रमरभ्रमराधिपते जय जय हे महिषासुरमर्दिनि रम्यकपर्दिनि शैलसुते ॥ ११ ॥
>are you learning sanskrit? It's one of my target langs but I haven't started learning it for real yet, more like backlogged it to pick up when I'm done with the others. But I have listened to a lot of Sanskrit and at this point I dare say my pronunciation is not perfect but pretty good and I notice pronunciation differences between reciters from different backgrounds (like they read different vowels because of their expectations on the script or something) and when people make mistakes or pronounce it downright horribly. :^) Like plain s for ss when it should be the 'sh' sound, or '-a' or '-e' when it should be '-i' which is a common mistake it seems like, and variations on vowels and and inconsistencies with [v] and [w] for ⟨v⟩. Although I know serious reciters try to mimic Sanskrit-speaking scholars as best as they can, so props to them for trying and making cool music with it instead of simply reading it plain.
(but I guess my pronunciation is probably still horrible to actual speakers lmao ;_;).
Luis Stewart
the stereotype about french being the most beautiful language is true isn't it
Camden Kelly
>What language should I learn? >Plattdeutsch BASIERT UND GIGAROTGEPILLT
Brayden Taylor
You're called the eternal anglo because you're eternally cursed to be a monolingual forced to share communities with amerimutts
Logan Reed
Finnish, english, norwegian, japanese I can bot write and speak.
German a bit of speaking, read it ok, french I can read. Have two books in esperanto, read them somewhat. Always learning new things. Each new day is a new challenge.
Eli Clark
When do you know when to use "voller, voll, voll mit" in german
One can says es ist voller menschen, es ist voll wasser, es ist voll mit schleim
Dominic Brooks
Many people study swedish and norwegian here whos existence as Langs are disputed because They are dialects of danish
Evan Sullivan
french sounds gay though sounds like a european hebrew/arabic. disgusting to my ears
