The NYC subway is probably described in one sentence: "By September 1979, there were over 250 felonies per week being recorded on the subway, making the crime rate much higher than any other mass transits system in the world"
This is legit fact. "worst in the world"... So my idea is, I would go for a year to the US, buy the NYC subway. Renovate it. Make it first world tier and shit, better even. Make the trains come on time (I don't know how this is even a problem in NY. I've never seen a delayed train, especially on the subway. How the fuck?). Sell them tickets slightly more costly, but of course more people would use the trains.
How is this business idea not going to succeed?? It's genious! Everyone is complaining about the utter trash you have, but nobody is thinking about making good money out of it! What do you think? What could go wrong?
Fine user. Just some regulations and a couple of billions
Logan Evans
Instead start a private security force that escorts cleaning crews and enforces basic rules and regulations.
William Roberts
just get some armed guards down there that'll shoot the inmates on sight
Luke Campbell
Preferably hire ex-military too.
Jordan Nguyen
You can’t fix niggers for this to work all you would have to do is ban black people but this is illegal
Charles Myers
Your main problem is the target market who will be using your transportation services.
People in the United States who are regarded as "middle class" or higher, you know, the kind of people who can take good care of things? They drive. Cars. Trucks. Vans. Whatever. You're going to have literal niggers and drug addicts using your transportation. I don't know if they will generate enough revenue to keep your business profitable, but even if it's kept profitable, it will quickly fall into filth and degeneracy.
In the United States, there is a clear divide between "well-to-do" individuals and the filthy criminals. We don't put like a 200% tax on automobiles here, so it's actually kind of affordable. In Europe, it's a different story, so the "well-to-do" individuals, being forced to take public transportation with the sewer rats, have to make the best of what they have.
Blake Sanchez
Does Africa have trains the answer is no
Easton Wilson
>cleaning crews You just give them a key, and close the sub at night. Or give them a gun, in the US even teachers have guns. How do you think our crew cleans here and nothing ever happens?
again? wtf? Come on, every city can secure it's subway, and you gonna tell me it can't be done in NYC?
Well, if the service is good, then the middle class would use it too. It's a lot faster then going by car. Especially in the city. That's the main reason to use it. It's also cheaper, if you do it right. More then twice as cheap. New York had rooftop helicopters in the 80s. You could do a expensive high-quality subway service, with a portion of that helicopter money. And just kick the homeless people out, like everywhere else in the world. Also, there is no 200% tax. Not in germany, not in any place. It's a meme.
Christian Campbell
The unions will strike and you will be branded a racist and run out of the city.
Bentley Nelson
>Well, if the service is good, then the middle class would use it too. No. They will pay to get away from the niggers and felons. NO ONE who can afford to do better wants to be around them.
Josiah Hall
>Also, there is no 200% tax. Not in germany, not in any place. It's a meme. I'm exaggerating. Point is your VAT is too expensive for most europeans to afford, so you're forced to take public transportation.
Dominic Morgan
yes they do, you fucking nigger!!!! Compare that image to an NYC subway station. Now tell me again, you can't do better then 250 felonies a week? What's wrong with you americans?
Most foreign countries have homogenous populations or cultures that inherently enforce social norms. Since the US has become a diverse population inundated with foreign and clashing norms an outside force is needed to incentivise the masses, or you reverse the trend of miscegenation and enforce cultural homogeneity. One if these is better for the NYC Subway and one is better for the nation and being undertaken currently.
Camden Sanders
Just renovate Manhattan, parts of Brooklyn, and Queens. Being someone who actually takes the subway daily to my six figure job, the ridership is generally good in these areas. I used to live in DC and the subway there is so much fucking nicer.
But yeah no reason to waste time in the Bronx it'll just get trashed again.
Eli Martin
I think you should go back to Jow Forums. Anyone who goes outside or does buisness doesn't care. I think americans don't want to get robbed and filth. It's a sanitary and security problem. I think many problems in the US are sanitary and security related. But it's not african culture, lol.. like many americans wanna believe. It's YOUR culture. > shitting in the street
Camden Ortiz
>1979 kek. There are people in this thread taking you seriously who do not realize NYC is currently one of the most crime free cities in the world. Subway platforms don't look anything like that.
Luis Richardson
... Yea, a lot of them do. The subway is fucking disgusting.
Anthony Gomez
This is another meme. Statistics tell otherwise. Can you americans do anything other then lie and blame others? Are you really that braindead? JESUS CHRIST! Suddenly I don't want to do business in NYC so much
>I think you should go back to Jow Forums. LOL when you run out of arguments. Typical. >Anyone who goes outside or does buisness doesn't care. Literally bullshit. People who aren't criminals can afford cars in the United States. We don't have to get herded onto public transportation like animals. I don't know why you're bragging about not being able to afford a car. It's kinda sad.
Nathan Stewart
you dont have enough money to "fix" this subway
to make the transit come on time you would need to increase the train count and update the train routing system which would cost you several hundred million because its ancient stuff
to fix the station you would need to renovate them aswell as upgrade them to allow for better usage. remember they where designed for lower user count and are ancient as well.
it is honestly suprising that this shit show hasnt derailed already and still runs.
Jacob Perez
>Statistics Stats are an ineffective format for judging cultural fluctuations and the effects of them. The same principle is what led to us lose the Vietnam war, and arguably the Middle East.
Aiden Roberts
Also if you don't want to do business in NYC that's fine too, desu we don't need foreign inclusion in our market. It's entirely self sustainable unlike the vast majority of nations.
Oliver Ramirez
oh boooo hooo whooooo
> pulls up statistic > stats are obviously a lie - gets called out > "oh no, statistics don't tell you anything. they are useless"
you're such a joke. A typical american. Look at it, bros!
Anthony Bailey
You are only proving my point that euro culture is based heavily on dependency. Without public transportation you would literally die, because you're not self-sufficient. You can't take care of yourself. You need masters. And that's okay. People like me will always rule over people like you.
Ryder Robinson
You didn't counter my argument or example. You should probably just shut the fuck up since you have no coherent point. Also your stat literally doesn't say anything of value whatsoever, hence why I felt no need to even bring it up. I assumed you made a mistake on your end and still have you the benefit of the doubt.
Kayden Allen
There is an existing renovation plan already motioned. If you'd live in NYC then you'd know that already. Why do you care about NYC subway when you aren't even a local?
NYC subway is one of the first ones in the world to exist. Of course with such age, it is much harder to maintain than others.
Also, wtf, why is something from 1979 of any relevance here? 1979!?! A time when USSR was still in place and the whole food infrastructure of the nation was starting to collapse. There wasn't enough food to go around so the gov handed out food stamps that allowed a citizen to buy one loaf of bread a week after waiting in a queue for 30 minutes. No doubt the felony rates in USSR metros were similar or even worse at the time. Well, things have changed around the globe, m8, it's 2018 now.
I'm sure you're self-sufficient in your F150 that you fill with fuel you produce yourself in your backyard from your own oil well. You're so self-sufficient that you actually don't even need the truck, since you don't need to go places to buy shit from, and drive on goverment-built roadsbecause you make everything in your ranch.
I envy you so much.
Christopher Nguyen
I just think you are projecting your problems onto other cultures and minorities in your country. Also, like said, it's cramped in your stations because the infrastructure is not up to date. Our trains are from siemens I believe. They arrive at a 5 to 10 minute interval in rush hours, and up to 15 minute in the evening. At weekends the trains run though the night. Rarely anything ever happens. And I've maybe once seen a cramped train.
so you are right. New trains, track repair, full renovation. But then you can arrive at your destination twice or up to three times faster. Even more if your city is big like moscow. You can't compete with that! I think it would be cost effective. It has to be, why every other city is doing it? Because it's fucking intelligent!
Dylan Cook
Senpai what if he produces his own bio-diesel and puts it in his custom built F250 he maintains?
Robert Clark
And drives it on his own roads to buy things from his own grocery store that relies on his own supply chain that only sells products made on his own ranch.
Brandon Howard
Youre absolutely correct, we actually really need to privatize public transportation because its bullshit, garbage service, they jam pack people on the subway.
What we really need are private subway lines, as you suggest. 100 dollar ticket for on board entertainment and meal services, waiter provided, champagne service, chandeliers in car, with golden PS4's
I think you're heavily underestimating the sheer volume of people using the subway. Remember the population of NYC is larger than quite a few European countries.
Ethan Phillips
user do it let me work for you we'll turn the train around before the city goes underwater. even better extend it up and down the east coast and make it a mag rail we can make tens of dollars!
Cameron Lopez
Fucking kek... > NYC subaway is one of the first ones... London subway is much older, and has new trains, new tracks, superb flow... why do you americans always lie your way out of issues? WHAT THE FUCK?
Juan Reed
Bro he owns a ranch? Why does he need a grocery store? Also why need a road? Just clear the ground and off road that shit.
Aaron Ramirez
>Just clear the ground and off road that shit I haven't thought of that.
Maybe he could learn from the mexicans and make his own underground tunnel to drive through.
Ian Anderson
Do you have any idea the amount of economic slowdown that would happen if you even close one line of the NYC Subway system? It is actually more than it would cost to revamp it. The only reason I mention this is because when I was in NY a while back I ended up meeting one of the engineers who maintains it at a pub. Basically gave me a whole rundown as to why the subway is shit and probably will be till 2050. It's just a cost benefit function.
Thomas Gomez
Lived in NYC the last 10 years of my life literally never have seen a platform that looks like that, sorry.
Samuel Nguyen
Heck yeah, also let's assume he's on a uranium deposit and some lead. Now you have the makings of a Nation state.
Evan Ward
Moscow has the same amount of people. And I've been on their subway a lot of times. It works flawlessly. And you gonna bet there is no criminal activity, nobody would ever dare!
But it proves again and again, you are just reflecting and going for excuses. This is no way to conduct business, people..
Tyler Hill
Again, why are you comparing the criminal activity of NYC metro in 1979 to Moscow metros in 2018?
Christopher Thomas
In vienna, if a part of a subway line closes, they just supplement it with more of the other vehicles. We have trains underground, trains above the ground (in the city), trams, buses and citybikes. If you're lucky you can catch a riksha too xD
Nathaniel Bailey
Bro you're comparing two fundamental approaches on public works projects. You can't just boil it down to "muh subways" there's more to it than that and you know it. Stop being intellectually dishonest. If you want a discussion in good faith that's on you, if not I'll just shit post :^)
Chase Mitchell
NYC does not have the available transit space to accommodate that. There's a reason the subway is inefficient and it has to do with fundamental limitations of the city itself.
Alexander Clark
In 1979 it was the worst subway system IN THE WORLD. Maybe it's better now. But everyone says it isn't. You just can't tell me it's because there are so many people in NYC. That's where moscow comes into play. They have the same amount, if not 30% more. And it works perfectly well. It's clean, it's safe, relyable and fast. Don't distract from the problem and solution. Focus, for god's sake!
Dylan Watson
This goes back to my original point, Moscow has a strong police presence. It physically enforces cultural norms among a diverse population, therefore there is a mutual respect for public works projects. Since the US refuses to do that you're left with the two options I posted above. Diverse populations always and will forever lead to police states. If you don't like that then tough shit.
Austin Sanders
> tfw us american tells police presence in russia is high xD xD xD this can't get any better > complains about diversity in his country being the problem > sees diversity in other countries as solution to their problems you fucking nigger, get outta here
Blake Jones
Having enough money to shift the work to someone else is still self-sufficiency. It's called OUTSOURCING.
Ryan Robinson
>I just think you are projecting your problems onto other cultures and minorities in your country. No, I have no problems to project. I have no problems at all if I stay away from areas high in crime. Do you want to start posting black crime statistics? Let's be honest, you wouldn't travel through Harlem even with euro-tier infrastructure.
Noah Kelly
Good luck with that seriously, The NYC subway system is literally ancient that's why it sucks. The entire infrastructure has to be redesigned, Get Elon Musk to help you OP it's our only hope.
So shifting the work of driving to the bus/subway driver/conductor is self-sufficiency too, right?
Also, the things inmy post aren't things you just outsorce because you have money. They're things you literally can't do yourself and have to rely on others (mainly the government) doing them for you.
Jace Murphy
or better, get back to Jow Forums, you piece of shit. You literally devalued your existence in a few posts. We know now what kind of person you are. You're a shame to your fellow citizens. Pathetic piece of shit. Nobody will trust you in your life, you just take whichever opinion suits your feelings most. Pathetic and not worthy of more
Kayden King
>too much afraid to travel across own city >claims he has no problems yeah, that's why you brought all this up. Because everything is good, right?
Ryan Perry
I live in NYC. Subways run every 3-4 minutes. There is no trains being "late," or checking times for the train, they run very frequently. I've never heard anyone complain about the shit you listed, and I've also never seen a station as dirty as your picture. I've also never seen that type of garbage can anywhere in NYC. The garbage cans in the stations are stationary large black cylinders in the middle of the platform, you cannot move them. Also, the subway is subsidized and does not make a profit, they actually operate on a loss.
/thread
Ethan Rodriguez
Never at any point did I say diversity is good for other countries. Also I'm not complaining, I'm just stating it as a matter of fact. It's just how nations can cope with competing ingroups. Also I have a really hunch feeling you're not really Austrian, or you're just a really stupid one. At this point I'm pretty done, you're not gonna do shit and probably in the next few years we're gonna fuck your economy so hard because of your reliance on out markets. Good luck europoor. :^)
Zachary Wood
:D thx for source. Appreciate every supportive and honest input.
Ethan Perez
Eh, I get the feeling you're just one of the lower criminal class. That explains why you settle for mediocrity and depend on government transportation.
Carson James
No, you "shift the work to drivers" because you literally can't afford to drive yourself. Big difference.
Grayson White
You would need to be a billionaire and unafraid to tell thug nigs and spics to beat it. Unfortunately even with that, you need to grease some palms. Trump and Giuliani came close, but it wasn't enough.
Colton Hernandez
In most of Europe, everyone with a job can afford a cheap car and gas for it.
Still avoiding the fact that you do all those things because you have to rely on the government to do them for you.
Zachary Cox
I will admit I'm envious of your education system. I do wish more people in the US could get a solid grasp on higher learning.
Ryan Smith
kek. Larp some more. We live happy here :) And have no free trade agreement with the US, there is too much protest against that
Depend? Why should I not take public transport, when it saves me half the time for travel? And If I need a car, I just unlock one with my app. There are those brand new BMWs standing around, which you can use (of course it costs). :)
Jayden Lewis
>Still avoiding the fact that you do all those things because you have to rely on the government to do them for you. No, not really. I am not arguing for some kind of cowboy society where everyone is for themselves. There are things called public goods that the government provides which the free market has a hard time providing.
By self-sufficiency I mean being able to afford your own mode of transportation and not depending on government welfare programs, and being able to work for yourself without wage-slaving. You know, adult things. But it's clear to me that you're more interested in moving goalposts than you are in being honest.
Samuel Martin
>Depend? Why should I not take public transport, when it saves me half the time for travel? C O P E
Eli Russell
I'd rather live free than happy. That's why America exists. Get fucked.
Brandon Gomez
This. I would rather be free to succeed or fail on my own, rather than depend on government handouts.
Coincidentally, with freedom comes happiness. I can't even imagine settling for euro mediocrity.
Brayden Davis
I feel more free than any american, I believe. US is really comparable to russia, in case of public freedom. Of course doing business in russia is terrible, don't get me wrong.
But if you tell any western european america is more free, they will straight laugh at you. We know, bro... you don't need to hide from us
Jason Garcia
Your mode of transportation is useless without the government giving you the ability to fill it with fuel.
>and being able to work for yourself without wage-slaving ? Are you under the impression that Europeans are all employed by the government and nobody owns any business?
>No, not really. I am not arguing for some kind of cowboy society where everyone is for themselves. There are things called public goods that the government provides which the free market has a hard time providing. You said that Euro culture is based on dependency. I gave you examples of how American culture is too. That's it. You can justify yours as good things while ours as bad, but at the end of the day, both cultures (and most of the others) are based on depending on the government.
Also, public transport isn't free in most countries. You still need to pay.
Alexander Ortiz
Volunteer to clean and bag up trash. Problem is the people dumping shit and not sanitizing.
Luis Ortiz
>You still need to pay. yeah, 360 € in vieanna for the whole year, all systems: Train, Sub, Tram and Bus :)
>I don't know if they will generate enough revenue to keep your business profitable
Regardless of what class you are in. People love convenience. They look getting to places in less time as opposed to new york gridlock traffic.
The people honestly have no choice in taking the train due to that convenience. It's going to be profitable by default. You win by default because you are the ONLY monopoly in that city.
Aaron Murphy
Cheaper than a car for sure, but just because something is cheap it doesn't mean it's being provided to you and you're dependant on it like you're on welfare.
Joshua Harris
Wow, you're dumb!
Nicholas Ross
>LOL when you run out of arguments. Typical.
It's not an argument. He's fucking telling you. You are literally not bringing any progress to the table.
Chase Fisher
That's right. It means I am really glad we have it. I really don't want it to go away ;S Imagine sitting for hours in your fucking car waiting for other fuckers to move, always concentrating. When I leave the tram, I always say thank you. You see that pic? We hug each other good buy. Sometimes i kiss it. But not too much, I know it's not only mine. I want that tram to hug me when I go to bed.
Jason Thomas
*good bye
Jonathan White
I axctually appreciate your idea in gentrifying the New York Subway! It would make it easier yet safer for the people and many opportunities and jobs created. Putting coffee shops at each stop and wifi for the he people out of conveniences would encourage more people to take the subway.
I would love to talk to you personally about this if you are actually serious on this idea.
Do you use discord?
Jacob Sullivan
It's not 1979 anymore, fuckhead.
Luis Fisher
It is different in new york city. There are pleanty of homeless living in the subway system that pee and shit where they please. Prices for transportation keep going up.
It's 1 buck for a new mta card which is required to ride. It's 2.75 for 1 train ride in the city. You need to purchase an amount of value from their value selection screen which won't be divisible by 2.75 meaning you will always have value left on your card that you can't use. You can't use value on your mta card to purchase goods. I know in japan you can use the value on your metro card to purchase anything in a store.
Everyone knows the mta is corrupt. Sometimes the machines double charge your card or you might only get part of the value you paid for when you add value and the mta won't help because their purposely downgraded computer systems only show them the last ride purchase made on your card. For any help they force you to pay to mail your card in and wait weeks to months for any sort of response.
The mta makes pleanty of money but won't renovate the subway systems so they are all old smelly and full of shit yet prices keep going up. Its what happens when you allow one company to have a monopoly on transportation in one area. Tge closer to a monopoly you get tge worse it gets for people.
Oliver Rivera
>Your mode of transportation is useless without the government giving you the ability to fill it with fuel. What an idiotic statement. There is a thing called capitalism, which allows for all sorts of innovations in technology and transportation, like Tesla's electric cars for example. Government doesn't own any of those fueling stations. Those are all private companies. But let's pretend gasoline-powered vehicles are the only ones that exist. You buy gasoline from private companies. Even if government sells it, you are still buying it in the same you you would buy it from someone else as an act of self-sufficient outsourcing. You are trying to equate this to the government literally providing gas as a social service like welfare that people depend on, but it is just not the same thing. Everything we know about economics has shown that the free market will always step up to fill a market demand because we are all self-interested individuals who respond predictably to incentives.
>Are you under the impression that Europeans are all employed by the government and nobody owns any business? No, what am I implying is that most of you are forced to work for someone else because EU regulations impose heavy regulations and fees that favor corporations with deep pockets but lock small entrepreneurs out.
>Also, public transport isn't free in most countries. You still need to pay. Then what's so great about it? Because it's higher-quality? You pay for that quality whether you use the public transportation or not. Any government service is paid for by your taxes. TNSTAAFL. At first you could say, "well that's a fair deal." But it's just another cost on top of many tax burdens. You are quite literally forced to choose government-provided transportation because it's cheaper, as you said here , literally bragging that your government imposes insane VAT on automobile purchases.
Charles Nguyen
Sure, drop me an invite or something. I'm no billionaire. I know a few people, but based on the reaction the problem is larger then anticipated :/ If the condition is such that it really needs a teardown and rebuild from zero, there have to be a lot of people involved.
And the other solution, making it luxury like is not as sexy. Like the brutally failed trump helicopters in the 80s - kek. The key is convenience and speed. And in case of NYC, additional filth and crime prevention.
Alexander Sanchez
oh SHIT dude, that is some important information
Levi Flores
Ok, I have a new idea. Why not buy everything around the subway system and the system itself, and make the owner the city of New York? Then, basically, the citizens own the subway system. And if the managers are corrupt, they just fire them, or vote them out. Many large infrastructure projects are owned by their citizens around the world.
Kayden Powell
Shit, I've just realized that this IS the current state. The NY subway is owned by their citizens. The question is, why is it failing then? WTF The costs are quite the same. One ride in vienna costs 2.40€ But for 360€ a year you can use every public transportation the city has to offer :) Train, Sub, Tram and Bus
Somewhere between the lines I don't get why it's failing. The ticket price is the same. Both systems (vienna and NYC) are owned by the people. Something is not right...
James Gray
You're misconstructing each one of my arguments to fit your strawman version of them. I can't be bothered to waste time on this pointless shitpost. I'll just wave my white flag and accept the US as the greatest and most free country on earth. Have a nice day/night.
Jonathan Johnson
NYC daily commuter here.
user I think you’ve failed to take into account the sheer cost of doing business in NYC. It costs billions to lay a quarter mile of subway tracks.
>public transport that shit is only for niggers and poorfags
Ayden Reed
thanks so much! :D
Ryan Turner
As comfort and relyability rises, more and more people want to take the public transport. It's the business of the future. A self-driving car is basically public transport too. Somebody is driving for you. Numbers don't lie. Especially in business.
>more and more poor people want to take the public transport. ftfy
Luis Robinson
>comparing urbanized cities to our biggest prison
Adrian Bell
yes, you incarcerate proportionally many people for profit. But i compared an african subway to an american. That has nothing to do with your prison and police problems.
Bentley Cox
>but based on the reaction the problem is larger then anticipated
It's not hard to gentrify subway system and hire police (LA's metro subway station hires cops all the time to kick out homeless folks)
Making it into a "Luxury" is extremely niche since elites don't take the bus since they have no clue how to socialize with commoners.
You need mass numbers of people who will pay daily/ monthly vaia tap cards. This pays for the subway.
Jeremiah Edwards
can you remake this so that it's not in spanish?
Brayden Hughes
VAT also affects public transportation prices you spastic. In Europe we ise public transport because it's convenient, well-maintained, secure, clean and free of traffic jams.
Sebastian Rivera
call bullshit on that. the subway is absolutely fucking digusting and sometimes even worse than in the pic which is why i just use uber now
