Hey biz I'm planning to try a semester of computer science...

Thanks mate not even American. Australian here

Fuck off retard. They don't need Pajeets because every other young person wants to be a developer now since they think they'll make big bucks. They hire fresh grads as Junior Devs to do Senior level work for cheap.

Aus might be different. This is the case in the USA

I started being junior but subcontracted as a senior, many companies do that, but no the serious ones that last. In my current one, from germany, we are taking over pajeets failures from pajeets banks that want as minimum pajeetish as possible. Makes you think. And dont make me talk on chinese enterprise software, HK included.

Of course there are student interested in the programming, it has been like that since decades ago. Go and fuck yourself

t. Doesn't live in the United States

I got hired out of a 4 year CS program as a software QA for a megacorp after doing a summer internship with them, and was doing "engineering" within about a week. They probably hired me that way to lower the starting salary, but I was lucky and my boss took care of me with commensurate raises. This was about 11 years ago.

Even if you're not a genius programmer (I'm not) put in the hours until your shit works and you will probably do fine.

>hired 11 years ago
>thinks this is representative of the market today

Bay area tech companies are still hiring like mad, friend. Well beyond the amount of work they have to be done

There are not enough positions to go around for everyone. You're talking about a very small area with a limited supply of openings and some of the most highly educated programmers in the world competing for those handful of positions where rent is $3000/month. You don't know what you're talking about.

You won't make it as a professional naysayer. I didn't say you might not have to try a few times, but there are TONS of "engineers" here that can't program their way out of a paper bag, making obscene amounts of money to cover their $3k rents. Seriously, it's almost impossible to get fired around here. People get hired merely because teams hate having to interview people over and over. Try it.

Honestly CS is fucking boring. It was way more fun in University where you had interesting problems to solve, in the industry you will literally work on the same project for months and even years doing mostly plumbing and bug fixing. It's so fucking boring and soulless. I'd rather do research or just do another degree at this point.

I'm sure there are still openings in the Bay Area - did it occur to you not everyone wants to live in SF?

The point is development isn't what it used to be and people should look elsewhere for good-paying employment. The industry is not what it used to be. Companies need an army of cheap developers, they aren't going to shell out 100k a pop anymore, those days are gone. And 100k really isn't that much money in 2018, especially if you have a family to take care of.

>The point is development isn't what it used to be and people should look elsewhere for good-paying employment
So wtf are you supposed to do then huh? Every single faggot on this board says this about every single field

Muh used to be great but now shit and saturated
>CS
>Oil jobs
>Engineering
>Finance
>Law
Every single one of them is now shit, dead or oversaturated according to you. So WTF ARE YOU SUPPOSED TO DO

You are 100% correct user, they are oversaturated. All of them. Do you know why? Because people keep getting their employment devalued, and this pushes people into a new industry, until that that industry also becomes devalued.

Economics 101 - the greater the supply, the lower the wage

If I were to be 18 right now, I would go into Civil Engineering, Air Traffic Control, welding, Electrical Engineering, Cyber Security, Home Inspection, or some type of trades in a rural area because your scarcity will make you more valuable while all the other youngfags run off to wagecuck in the cities. But generally speaking - the days of making a fat salary are gone for young people. We are moving into an older style of economics where there is the Upper Class (controlled through families) and the Lower Class. Middle Class is going bye-bye. Better start your own business with whatever precious few shekels you can earn.

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I can tell from your choice of an image you'll never ever gonna make it

I think you should only go for CS if you REALLY like it. If you're like 50/50 then it propably isn't worth it since it's pretty oversaturated atm. The companies can afford to be picky as shit. Be prepared to compete for jobs with autists that like coding 12-15h EVERY DAY for fun.

t.boomer
I’m a software dev making 80k fresh outta Uni and me and my fellow devs worship 69 more than Jobs.

>80k
for your sake, i hope you got some options/RSUs you're not taking into account

Do you think those you mentioned are not as saturated?
>We are moving into an older style of economics where there is the Upper Class (controlled through families) and the Lower Class. Middle Class is going bye-bye. Better start your own business with whatever precious few shekels you can earn.
I guess so yeah. Do you think you will be safe from this if you have more than 500k saved up, or is it only the multimillionares who will remain upper class?

I think unless you have over 100 million your wealth will eventually be siphoned off within the next couple generations.

Keep in mind this isn't the 80s where 1 million dollars was like a lot of money. Cost of things has quintupled.

When I refer to "rich families", I mean look at people like Trump. Or Bill Gates - his family were the wealthiest bankers in Seattle, he was never going to be poor. It is becoming an oligarchy.

>eventually be siphoned off within the next couple generations.
But how? Do you mean regular investments like stocks or real estate won't work anymore to protect your wealth?

I mean I understand that jobs would be scarce and pay very little, but how would your already existing money disappear?

isn't cyber security part of CS?

Inflation, poor financial decisions, divorce

I think only families with A LOT of money are going to be able to weather the storm and they will also have their wealth in a decentralized network - if one family member goes under, their entire safety net is not lost. As opposed to the individual, you are much more vulnerable to lose your ass.

I know an older guy with 20 mill in the bank. But he's already making poor financial decisions with it, he only has two children to pass it on to - one who is female, the other a faggot. She is not business savvy or entrepreneurial and will likely swindle it away in a single generation or so.

CS has more to do with writing algorithms and circuit design. You can get an actual degree in cyber security.

>Or Bill Gates - his family were the wealthiest bankers in Seattle
His dad was a lawyer and his mom was a businesswoman who did some business with banks, stop spreading lies

Look at his grandparents you dumbass, Bill Gates had a huge trust fund.

what do you need a college for? Everything is online, especially stuff related to CS and I bet you its better in quality than any college can provide

any other suggestions for a non meme degree?

No, there are only so many options for college degrees. You could also try Petroleum Engineering. Other than that - you are going to have to get creative.

Dear moron, see: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mary_Maxwell_Gates

>Her grandfather, James Willard Maxwell (1864–1951), was president of the National City Bank in Seattle from 1911 to 1929 and a director of the Seattle branch of the Federal Reserve Bank of San Francisco.

>Inflation
Ignoring those other two and looking at this. It would also then mean that the rich won't be able to guard their assets if inflation outpaces all investment returns. But yeah, let's hope it doesn't come to that.

What do you think about nano/bioengineering, are those a meme? What about pilot school?

>bioengineering
not unless you have a PhD and are going to work for the CIA doing CISPR

>pilot school
Unconventional, could make a decent living doing this. The unconventional career paths are where you find that niche that pays well, higher demand. Takes a lot of time and money though. I think helicopter pilots make more and easier to get into than commercial piloting? I think some commercial piloting requires a degree but I'm not sure, might want to look into it.

is software engineering same as CS?

No

Stupid faggot happy slave detected

You must be a shitty developer then. Pajeet tier.

I make 150k + full benefits. Pretty sweet.

OP if you are good at software engineering, you'll make out fine. CS is a good major.

You probably live in SF area or JYC

NYC suburbs, I don't work in NYC.

But yes, if you major in CS - be prepared to move to a major tech hub: NYC, Austin, Denver, Seattle, or the bay Area. Some smaller hubs in Raleigh, NC and Tampa, FL.

If you live in bumfuck nowhere obviously you'll either have to become a remote contractor or MOVE.

Also, this is after approx 7 years in the industry. Starting salaries can vary, but you should be past 100k 4 or so years in.

SF bay area is different.