Does slavic brotherhood exist?

1918? That's a peculiar choice.
Regarding the question, not really.

Balkans don't count since they are non-Slavic ancestry mostly except Slovenia. Russia is the oldest Slavic country.

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no and i hope never will

novgorod isnt russia? stupid kurwak

translate?

Novgorod was a democratic, liberal state ruled by Finns, Swedes and Slavs altogether.

Russia was always a totalitarian, oppressive, illiberal country steeped in the Tatar and Mongol spirit

I'm ready to become a knyaz (duke) of your huinia (untranslatable desu)

>Im ready to become a king of your shit

lmao so many meme countries

>Novgorod was a democratic, liberal state ruled by Finns, Swedes and Slavs altogether.

No one argue with this. Novgorod is the first capital of the old Rus' state.

>trimoreta

>Imperium Lechitów

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So Croatia's "foundation" counts when it became a kingdom, and Serbia's since its foundation. By this rule, Croatia was established in the beginnings of 800s

cringe

but actually Russians have even crazier pseudoscience and actually most of Polish pseudoscience is taken from Russia, just adjusted to Polish history

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>Finns, Swedes
Umm sweetie, there were no Swedes or Finns. Allow me to explain why?

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Turboslav in Polish means Dolboslav in Russian hehe

Finns and Swedes were the ruling caste, they didn't mix with the locals so their genes disappeared through centuries.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Novgorod_Republic#Government

Stop fake pseudoscience

this map is fucking stupid

>russia - 862
>ukraine - 882
I am really interested in what's going on here

There were no Swedes and local tribes weren't Finns. Novogord doesn't even cluster near Finns.

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OP is retarded

What? We were 100% Slavic when we arrived on the balkan and formed our states
We were the first to form states because of our early contact with actual civilization (The Eastern Roman Empire)

>Russia was always a totalitarian, oppressive, illiberal country steeped in the Tatar and Mongol spirit
BHahahahaahaha

>Russia was always a totalitarian, oppressive, illiberal country steeped in the Tatar and Mongol spirit

What a based and redpilled country! I hope they annex poland next.

Rurik arrived to Novgorod in 862 and then his son Oleg come to Kiev in 882.

why do you hate us so much?

I'm sorry but it's just true

Novogrod government was 100% Russian m8 what are you on about. There was no such thing as a "Finn" back then
Novogrod fought back the catholic crusaders you think they'd just be ruled by a catholic Swede?

no it isn't
In fact modern Russia traces back to (but is not equivalent to !) Mocкoвcкoe княжecтвo / Цapcтвo which went to one fucking brutal war with the Novgorod. Learn some fucking Russian history dumbass (link below).
States, governments and borders 1000 years ago only mean something when it comes to bloated patriotism. Period. They were completely different countries back then! this goes for the stupid polak with whom you are engaged in this special olympics as well

ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Иван_III_Васильевич#Присоединение_Новгорода

fuck m*scovites

in fact there are so many military conflicts between Novgorod and Sweden in early to middle medieval time that this trolling isn't even funny

I would trace Russian state beginings to Ivan Kalita, but I would get hate for it.

>Novogrod fought back the catholic crusaders you think they'd just be ruled by a catholic Swede?

>B лѣтo 6370… Идoшa зa мope к вapягoм, к pycи. Cицe бo звaхyть ты вapягы pycь, якo ce дpyзии зoвyтcя cвee, дpyзии жe ypмaни, aньглянe, инѣи и гoтe, тaкo и cи. Pкoшa pycи чюдь, cлoвeнѣ, кpивичи и вcя: „Зeмля нaшa вeликa и oбилнa, a нapядa въ нeй нѣтъ. Дa пoидeтe княжить и вoлoдѣть нaми“. И изъбpaшacя тpиe бpaтa c poды cвoими, и пoяшa пo coбѣ вcю pycь, и пpидoшa къ cлoвѣнoмъ пѣpвѣe. И cpyбишa гopoд Лaдoгy. И cѣдe cтapѣйший в Лaдoзѣ Pюpикъ, a дpyгий, Cинeycъ нa Бѣлѣ oзepѣ, a тpeтѣй Tpyвopъ въ Избopьcцѣ. И oт тѣхъ вapягъ пpoзвacя Pycкaя зeмля

And "чюдь" meant Finns

this isn't bible study polak, you can't just take historical manuscripts and take citations out of context and make big assumptions based on it. Leave this to professionals it is extremely tricky stuff and interpritation often changes based on new findings. Good news, they often publish books for the masses, try picking one up.

No!, the bible is not a good history textbook polak! put it back and go buy an actual history textbook

>reee Nestor just lied and the whole Russian history taught for the last 1000 years is also a lie

>this isn't bible study polak

>polish flag
>speaking russian
It's mykola my friend, we have quite a lot of them these days.

This:
>Pкoшa pycи чюдь, cлoвeнѣ, кpивичи и вcя: „Зeмля нaшa вeликa и oбилнa, a нapядa въ нeй нѣтъ. Дa пoидeтe княжить и вoлoдѣть нaми“

Translates to:
>The Chud' (Finnic, not Finnish), Slavs, Krivieches (Belorussians, Balts) and Ves' (Karelians, Veps) said to Rus' people: "Our land is big and rich, but there is no order in it. Come and rule us".

Where did you see there:

>Finns and Swedes were the ruling caste

?

that really isn't what I said and you know it.
OK, I may have been a bit rude there, but seriously pick up a modern university level textbook on history of Russia, you'll enjoy it a lot

>medieval state
>liberal
Pls kys.
>Russia was always a totalitarian, oppressive, illiberal country steeped in the Tatar and Mongol spirit
Byzantine spirit more than anything. And this is the only thing that helped it survive. Otherwise it would be cucked by foreign powers, just like the rest of principalities.
And it still doesn't change the fact that Russia has its roots in early Rus' state. Novgorod wasn't the only city part of it. Rostov, Murom, Beloozero and couple of other cities were part of it, too. And that's where the core of modern Russian state is.

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All these tribes asked Germanic (Swedish) and probably partially Finnish Rus' people for coming and ruling the land around the lake Ladoga.

Also:

>Error: You are temporarily blocked from posting for violating Jow Forums 1 - Respectful Discussion of Cultures.

I'm really tired of that Russian (or russophile) mod who blocks everyone who disagrees with the "LIES RUSSIA STRONG" theory. What the fuck happened to this board? Several months ago it was a place everyone could share his opinions in, even if they were direct and straight, now you can't say anything that isn't dicksucking even if you don't use offensive words.

This mod only makes people dislike Russia even more, because his censorship is exactly like Russian reality.

What qualifies as a state?

Fuck you, we are not sl*ves. We are descendants of the Golden Horde

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He is either some diaspora fag, that would explain his unyielding love for Rassa, or some far east fag.

oh no ;( he got carried away by the KGB

Cool with the Russophobic remarks.

>I don't understand what feudal fragmentation is
Moscow principality and Novgorod republic have the same root. When foreign influence finally disappeared, it was only natural for the tens of former Rus' principalities/city states getting unified by one single strong center.

>Finnish
>862

There is no Finnish thing in 862 You mean Tavastians? They were called Em' not Rus'.

>All these tribes asked Germanic (Swedish) ... people for coming and ruling the land around the lake Ladoga.

Yes. Who argues with this?

>I'm really tired of that Russian (or russophile) mod

I know this feel, fuck him

im sorry. i didnt mean to insult my russian betters. please forgive me.

Why is Moscow principality Russia, but Vladimir principality not? There's clearly a continuation. And Vladimir principality came out of Rostov principality - one of the earliest Rus' cities, even before Kiev was taken.

FUCKING JANNIE WHY YOU DELETED MY POST????

KYS CYKA

>101934041
G-good work mods w-we wouldnt want any russophobic comments on this board h-ha

I almost forgot. Putin is the savior of the white race
*please dont ban me*

>MY POST
huh?

stop ruining discussions

>And "чюдь" meant Finns
Don't cosplay a fool

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None of these are dates of founding. They are the dates of christcuckanization at best.

others would've done the same if they could

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Fuck no, man. Have you SEEN what these fuckers did to each other last century? Jesus christ dude.

Didn't knew slavs countries were so old

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This.
Every one of these countries have been dissolved and re-formed dozens of times since,
so much so that they're not really the same nation anymore.

>muhh state was foundes earlier
>muhmuhmuh
slavshits lmfao /his/virgins nobody gives a single fuck

>Krivieches (Belorussians, Balts)
nah bro it aint us

we call you "krievi" to this day. kriviches is you lot

OH NO NO NO NO

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>681
wrong, bulgaria is at least 632 (see: great old bulgaria)
>does slavic brotherhood exist?
not really, tho i wish it did