About national pride

I'm not proud, I'm grateful. Grateful that my ancestors worked hard to earn what they had, and that they didn't stray. I want to honor that as much as possible, that means no racemixing among other things.

>but I am proud that the government likes to fight itself
Bluepill master

A government that gets nothing done is incapable of restricting our rights as much as they want to

Everybody is "racemixed" specially in france ! So your ancestor couldn't care less about "mixing"

Do you know what proud means

How so?

So you don't racemix because of your ancestors' views? How do you even know what they thought of race mixing if they had an opinion at all?

>Everybody is "racemixed" specially in france !
Stop listening to memes and lefty talking points

France forcefully absorbed and forced intermarriages on smaller states to reach its current form. In some cases even enforcing language bans.

I don't racemix because I'm not attracted at all to non-white girls. My ancestors all come from the same region for several centuries at least.

>lefty talking points
Science isn't a political "point"

The "mixing" you speak of is ancient and nothing like what mixing is today.

What are you talking about?

The difference is mostly the phenotype,no much change

It's a huge difference. 200 years ago you could put a Breton in a the south or even a German almost anywhere in France and nobody would be able to tell, except for the language.
The same can't be said for an African or an Arab, or Asian

>your ancestors 2000 years ago moved in from the North and East
>Gauls mixed with Romans and Germanics so why do you care about mixing? Just go have kids with Africans, it's the same thing

>The same can't be said for an African or an Arab, or Asian
And ?what is wrong ?

You said
>I want to honor that as much as possible, that means no racemixing among other things.
didn't you?
Also how does the region your ancestors come from show you to know what they thought of race mixing?

Everything is wrong. Very different people and cultures. My ancestors built nice things and I will do my best to preserve them. The French nation has done plenty to destroy old cultures and identities, there's no need to take it further.

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>Are you proud of having two arms?
Yes. FUCK animals that move on four legsband fuck legless animals even more.
>How can you be proud of something you did not personally work for?
My ancestors did work for it so I can have it, and I will work for it so they can have it. Why shouldn't we be proud of it, you filthy individualist?

People in my family alive today look down on race mixing. One of my ancestors was an army man, served in the colonies in Africa and Asia but never strayed. I think they even would have looked down if I "mixed" with a German or English girl.

Ja und? Your family sounds really weird then. As if being french was something special.

Nationalism and patriotism aren't the same thing, you can take pride in the country your life takes place in without worshiping some vague metaphysical bullshit.

It's better to have critical support of something with a face than to let schlomo chew everything up and spit it back out as a formless blob.

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It is special. You won't count on an African to preserve your nordic traditions, same here.. And we want to preserve what we have. My uncle told my cousin recently "do what you want but don't ever bring home a black, arab or chink"

How is boeing oppressing people? Absurd picture anyways. You are not being oppressed by consuming things, everyone can full well just drop out and go off grid. Its just that its not as comfortable as keeping on consuming products and services.

i too feel proud of a piece of dirt surrounded by imaginary lines. I feel proud of having wageslaved for my country doing inconsequential work, wages from which I pay taxes so that my govt. doesn't arrest me. I'm proud of my inherent qualities, qualities I had no choice in choosing.

>you can take pride in the country your life takes place
But is an arbitraty thing

You sound sour. If it's that bad then maybe you can make it better and your descendants will be proud of you.

Don't you understand? These people NEED to pride themselves in the actions of other people with the same skin color or nationality as them (or what have you) because how else will they feel special in their insignificant lives?
Not sour at all, senpai. I just find these things really weird.

Well in an ethically and culturally homogenous country you get this sense of being in the same team. Community means much more to people and genuinely you can feel pride in being a part of the whole. Its like little streams making a mighty powerful river.

"Racemix" =/= destruction of french culture,and i guess you have an weird moral but is ok

>"Racemix" =/= destruction of french culture
That's where you're wrong. Visit the place and you'll notice.

Yeah my grandparents aren't related to me, what they did was indifferent to me even though they raised my parents

European university students who challenge the idea of nationalism as if they are on another level intellectually are fucking drones.

im proud of our "fuck you i got mine" mentality

>You are not being oppressed by consuming things
That doesn't mean the global economy should erode countries' heritages. It is a means to an end, not an end unto itself to be worshiped, which is the usual mentality of the people who unironically use snake flags.

High time for north european nationalism was after the war up until 90´s. It was like a brotherly race between nations. The cultural cohesion was immense and people were much less materialistic. Making progress was about making the lives of people easier. Now its all about making the most money and nothing else. A builder takes no pride in building a great building anymore, the pride is in how much profit he can make out of it.

Do you Feel in community with 5 millions of people that do you not even know?

What changed?

Sounds like the US

Yes, but not as much as in say 1990. The culture is eroding slowly.

You can't overestimate the importance of community and nation in Norway. Look at a 17th of may parade in any town and you'll get a hint of what its like.

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People got greedy to the point of selling out their peers to make a fast fortune. People used to have a little bit more honour and pride. Now you get this sense of people just being plain greedy and nihilistic.

In France people also lost the taste for a simple traditional life. There's a lot of empty villages because one generation decided "fuck it, working in the fields/mines/factory is hard and boring, I'm going to move to Paris and work in an office"

The culture is in a constant change,no amount of emotionalism can changue that

Culture evolves but traditions stay, especially if they're carved in stone.

i know what you mean, this how our 6-1 parades at the marketplaces looks like

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None of you has explained to me yet what you mean by "being proud" of your people
it makes no sense to me and i'm not pretending

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What region are you from? What do your parents do?

Its a constant state of evolution yes, and frankly in the age of digital globalism the national cultures will get more and more watered out. Everyone is consuming the same commercialized cultural products and local cultures will gradually disappear. I personally don't feel so emotional about it anyways. It just bound to happen. People are living in their own digital interest bubbles now(me included ofc). Its not really as relevant as it used to be living in real life.

provence
my parents jobs are irrelevant

This country was founded on literal slavery and only ~10% of people could vote.

I'm not against local cultures but can't considerer a country as a "local culture"

And your family before that, same region? And why would their job be irrelevant? Maybe that's why you don't get it

parents both come from other regions, 100% french
>And why would their job be irrelevant?
why would it

The nordic countries are extremely culturally homogenous so basically you can. Ofcourse there is regional variation but ultimately norway is norway anywhere you go and the people have an internalized deep culture that is the same. Local as opposed to global.

>why would it
Because it's part of your roots. In my town the old barracks where my great-grandfather served over a century ago are still up. I like walking around town and imagining him and how life was back then.
Same with another part of family who were farmers who worked the same land for centuries, there's nothing comfier than walking through these places.

Do you know what is pride?

>fuck it, working in the fields/mines/factory is hard and boring, I'm going to move to Paris and work in an office
are you seriously implying that the average working class citizen held any sway over labour market trends

Like I said, it's not about pride.
That's not what I'm saying

>because one generation decided
you're implying that the decision to choose which industry the french people working in was theirs, when larger economic trends have been pushing the first world into a far more urbanized service economy for decades
the generation as a whole didn't decide, the few in control/ownership of industry in france did so

Fair enough, de-industrialization is a real thing. A lot of mines closed. Some factories got moved abroad. But my point stands for farming. Working the ground never went out of fashion. But many younger generations decided they didn't want any of it.

That's more suffrage than any other european country at the time besides Switzerland.

French rednecks. Like the sound of that

Well for one farming is much less labor intensive now. Tractors drive automatic with gps and one person can basically have a huge farm and not need any workers. Also land prices are sky high so if you did not inherit a big enough farm then you are never going to make it as a farmer. Small scale died out because its not profitable.

idk if the trend is the same in France, but in Canada, large swaths of farmland have been bought up by large corporations, which has changed the farmer's labour relations drastically
instead of being able to own the land and what you grow directly, it has changed largely to the same labour relations as wage labour, forcing people to work on the land for pennies while wealthy landowners own the land and the literal fruits of the farmer's labour
if that same trend happened in france, i could understand their reasoning for leaving the farmlands
also, it is possible that the margin of profit for independent small-scale landowners has drastically fallen due to technological development in agriculture and expansion of EU into a largely agrarian Eastern Europe, but again, i may be wrong

They're really nice people
>Also land prices are sky high so if you did not inherit a big enough farm then you are never going to make it as a farmer.
Yeah farming is almost back to the way it was under monarchy. Rich land owners and employees who don't own shit. At some point I worked for a guy who owned farmland in 3 different departments in France and only hired people for a short time for specific tasks.
But that makes it even more valuable for people who were born into a family of farmers. They could be that land owner now if they didn't flip the table when they turned adult and left for a job in some big city. It can be hard or rather intensive work but I feel it's well worth it.

to be fair, i imagine ww1 and ww2 played a large part in the small-scale landowners giving up their land, either through destruction of land bankrupting them or many who flocked to the cities just refusing to go back
i wonder if the great depression played a part in this like in north america, where a fuckton of small landowners took lump sum payments for their lands due to extreme rural poverty

Yeah for sure, but big landowners also got some "freebies" from young people inheriting the land of their elders and not wanting any in the 70s/80s when people started to desert the countryside to go get life in the big city

i am proud of being in the cult of kek

>t.nigger living in Paris

People are proud of country that their parents, grandparents, greatgrand parents, etc. built. If you ever had a father do something of high worth, you'd like brag about it on his behalf.

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