NO NO NO!!!! HOW COME ABORTION ISN'T LEGAL IN YOUR COUNTRY?! DON'T YOU CARE ABOUT WOMEN'S RIGHTS?!!

>tfw have neutral stance on abortion
anyone know this feel? I know it involves killing people but I also don't want incompetent parents to spawn criminals/druggies either. I'm so conflicted.

Abortion should be legal regardless of women's rights, this is what you don't understand

Linking it to women's rights is just a defense, abortion by itself is done since before history and in the modern times illegal abortion is very common in countries where it is illegal, making it illegal does not prevent abortion

This is what young men do not understand, abortion will happen regardless of legality, making it legal makes it safer benefiting the welfare of the society

Why are the youth so far up their ass these days

I don't take advice from failures of evolution.

>making it legal makes it safer benefiting the welfare of the society
should we legalize heroin and cocaine?

it's usually the low-class goblins and lvl1 nigglets that choose to keep the baby, hence higher% of druggies and criminals. actually competent women will get abortions

no

based
not based

Wh*toids should be genocided

then you're argument doesn't make sense there and you should leave that part out.

woops, your*

inshallah brother
kara boga soon

>should we legalize heroin and cocaine?
yes please make america great again

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I don't really want children but women that have abortions should really be shot.

Abortion is not the same as doing drugs, why would they be analogous?

Are you an idiot?

>Me? I believe in the biblical stance, shown in Exodus 21:22-25 that whilst a fetus is valuable, it is not human life, but rather property

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You missed the point. The point was people compare something illegal already to something that could be legal and claim it's beneficial. You can literally use that argument for anything and it's bad.

>Are you an idiot?
Nah, but you are though.

Sure, do it. I'm pretty sure it'll be fun and very American.

based and epicpilled

i guess you also are in favor of euthanasia

>Me?I believe in the biblical stance that while we cannot take the life of another, there is no point in prolonging agony(DNR basically)

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>OMG HOW CAN YOU SUPPORT ABORTION? YOURE LITERALLY KILLING A LIVING BEING

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>Me?I believe in the biblical stance that the mentally retarded shouldn't be blamed for their mistakes

It should be dangerous to try and literally murder your own child. The more dangerous the better.

desu abortion should be legal. Means that there’ll be less unwanted and unloved kids growing up to be criminals
t. taking criminology

The law says that a fetus is not a child until the age of viability(In which it can survive outside the womb with support)
What do you base your claim on?

Based

Redpilled

>Law
Why should I give a shit?
The moment you try to draw a line after conception, everything is based off of arbitrary reasoning. I don't see how viability determines humanity. What is that based on? A healthy, growing human life of any kind is a human life whether you like it or not.

If the product of conception is deriving it's nutrition from the mother and cannot live without her support and this relationship is discomforting to the mother or puts her at risk, then she has the full right to desire as she pleases as the product of conception is technically a part of her body at that point of time. Whether or not it is morally correct is a different discussion, the weight of moral judgement lies upon her and she should have the right to do as she wishes.

Abortion ends the life of the child, ie. severs the non-corporal (the soul) from the corporal.
While our material bodies are simply a creation of the Demiurge, the severing of the soul from this plane of existence is selfish.
The creator is the one who supplied our mortal shells with the soul, and it is up to him to decide when we can be free.
The only answer to the trial our souls must face is to live a life of asceticism and prayer.

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>Implying that conception isn't an arbitrary line

The book of life treats a miscarriage caused by men falling over when fighting onto a woman as property, and to avoid claims that this was a one off case, they even stated that as long as the two parties are not injured the offender only needs to pay a fine, but if he injured the victim, an eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth, etc

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>It's her right
Prove it. It's another human life that is affected by her decisions. That nullifies her rights to do anything about it.
Why should I be concerned with what the Bible says? How is that at all relevant?

Why should she prove it to you?
If it's of risk of proving danger to her own well being, if it's a result of a conception of a vile act (rape) then she should have the full right to get rid of it considering the embryo is literally in her womb and taking her nutrients to survive.
What right do you have to force her to sustain the embryo in her own body?

Reminder that abortion shouldn't be legal for women's rights but as a way to reduce the population of dumb, poor, "undesirable" people

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This as well.
The only ones who would be looking for an abortion would be those of lower socioeconomic standing who couldn't afford to bring up children (bringing up children in such an environment would probably coerce the children into crime), product of conception following a rape (same as before but even worse because the psychological trauma that both the mother and the child go through would be immense), etc

We're not talking about if it's a danger to her well being. If it truly is then that should be the mother's decision. If it is rape I am inclined to say that it doesn't make a difference but I don't really care that much about those specific instances since they are so rare(maybe not in your horrible country). Otherwise when both the mother and child are healthy then she has zero right to end another human's life. This is true for human lives outside of the womb and should be true for lives inside of the womb as well. I don't give a damn about her precious nutrients. A born child requires the parent's resources to to survive. Should the parents have the right to end the child's life at that point as well?

I was talking about exceptions like danger to the mother and rape
I don't know about abortion in general but that should be upto the country's populace to decide whether or not they wish to enforce it..

There was a thread earlier where an article about a 11 year old rape victim being forced to conceive the child borne from her rape was being discussed and a lot of the people were unironically defending the child being forced to conceive a baby. I assumed you were one of those as well, my bad.

The country's populace is irrelevant. I am talking about objective morality here. A human life is a human life in every country on the planet. And taking an innocent human life is still immoral even in countries where the populace decided it should be legally allowed.