Before 1945 why did France and Germany hate each other so? Land? Charlemagne?

Before 1945 why did France and Germany hate each other so? Land? Charlemagne?

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Everyone hated each other before 1945

Good point

Back then everybody just hated whichever country they were next to.

1870 and 1914-18

whenever i recall those young Germans and French who died meaningless and cruel in Verdun, i can't help but be at my wit's end

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They actually liked each other quite a bit. In the period before Germany but after the HRE's heyday many Germans saw France as a natural ally. But then France went totally crazy and never really recovered.

since 843 western francia and eastern francia both wanted more of what was middle francia
that's it for most of history

in the late modern age i guess it went like this
>HRE ended by the french
>german nationalists want a new german empire
>btfo france they saw as their natural ennemy and create overpowered empire
>france and allies put an end to their empire
>x2
i'd be mad too

i've only heard that the rhine crisis made things worse but never that they saw each others as allies

Because German nationalism surfaced as a result of a common struggle of Germans against France, so it was anti-France by default.

This, and also the highly controversial and heated question of who the rightful owner of Alsace-Lorraine was. It was legit Israel-Palestine-tier in its intensity.

isn't nationalism always from a struggle against somebody else anyway?
like french nationalism was born from the coalition wars

All europeans hated each other since forever. Maybe it's the mountains. Or just autism. Even today I can still feel that there isn't much trust

>be fr*G
>bully Germans for centuries
>it leads to nationalism which in turn leads to fr*Gs getting btfo
most satisfying moment of history

Battle of the Somme its impressive. All those dead already on day one. People literally fought while walking on dead bodies. Hard to imagine.

Don't reply to me, non-country.

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germans just couldn't handle the banter

because of the wars which were caused by the french revolution which was caused by freemasons

is it the biggest pyrrhic victory throughout the entire human history?

I don't think historians even consider it a victory.

why is macron cheating on his grandma with her sister ?

90% of european history is "i have a border with X, i really really hate them, but i hate Y a little bit more at this very moment so I'll form a temporary alliance with X to fight Y but more importantly because Y supports Z and Z is vert rich right now so I cant take then head on, I have to be subvertive about it. But hold on my investments on X have made then powerful but I havent got a lot out of it, so I'll quietly switch sides. Also there's a civil war going on"

Bet you thought you were clever while typing this post

90% of Argentinian history is
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90% of Argentinian history is ''I have everything to succeed and play on easy mode, but I failed anyway cause I'm that much of a retard''.

Why is it always an american asking these type of stupid questions? Read a history book first before asking shit like this, you fucking nigger

it wasnt meaningless , it was a good thing

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We've been fighting for centuries, of course we'd hate each other's guts.
Even now Germany is fucking us in the ass with the Europe.

Where is this non-country's mother?

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It was mostly because the Germans bit off too much after their victory in 1871.

>implying France and Germany still don't hate each other
It took the United States welding them together in a proto-economic union and forcing them to share their toys to get them to stop chimping out and killing each other every 20 years.