Wtf US

>portugal starts using 5g
>portuguese soldiers begin to as well
>portuguese soldiers have classified information, calls, etc. on their phones
>China is able to pick up on these.

Every body fucking knows that the US uses apple to spy. But we're allies of Portugal and there is no reason to really care. If you honestly care that a government knows what's in your phone then you're just autistic

With that being said, there is absolutely no reason to believe China isn't doing the same thing. And the argument that there different than us proves this point even further. As China has an even more extensive history of spying on civilians than the US does.

>no, choose us to spy on you instead! we're the """"good"""" guys!

um, ok, sweaty xo xo

>at first americans were making fun of the chinese for being copycats with inferior technology
>now they are begging others to buy their inferior, and more expensive equipment

lmao...

>flag
Every time

Is America against the free market or something?

Okay then. Remind me again how Portugal and the US aren't allies?

Remind me again how Portugal is under China's nuclear umbrella.
Remind me again of the security alliance Portugal and China have.

You either stop using Huawei products or the US withdraws its alliance. No one is forcing anyone to do anything.

Two for flinching, muttoid

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Why would Portugal even cares about NATO. If the evil russians reach Spain, it is already over.

>implying our military security could get worst

>On 28 June 2017, an arms theft at a military base in Tancos, Portugal was discovered. The stolen weapons reportedly included 1,450 9 mm caliber cartridges, 150 hand grenades, 44 anti-tank grenades, 18 tear gas grenades, 264 units of plastic explosives, and 102 explosive charges.[1][2] Following an anonymous tip-off, some of the weapons were found in Chamusca on 18 October 2017.[3]

The video recording system was broken (but they still kept changing the tapes according to protocol, lol), there were no stationed guards and apparently the stuff was carried away in a wheelbarrow.

>evil russians
no such thing.
only evil is NATO.

>that also spy on you
>flag

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lol who cares
NATO is dead anyway

>huawei just bought an ad in the WSJ to say they're really not that bad
wew

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I hope we also buy Huawei.
American hegemony must end

this. euros don't contribute shit the US does 98% of the work

>work
What sort of work have you been doing the past few decades?

>Inferior
But China has the advantage on G5 tech. Americans haven't developed it as much and its going to be rolled out much later. (Chinese cities 2020 wide use, US cities 2025)

>Americans
Why are you all so dumb? America benifits the most out of NATO. It insures those countries are reliant on you. If you think NATO had any other intention you're fucking retarded. If everyone in Europe started contribution to NATO they wouldn't need NATO anymore. There would just be a European defense organization to stop both US and Russian influence on the continent. As long as states like Germany France and Britain remain military weak, America thrives.

someone made a very good post the other day on this subject, america didnt invest in 5G when they should have and are now maybe a decade if not more behind china, once again american infrastructure lacking because of its fucked economy and cold war paranoia of any sort of socialist policies

>someone made a very good post the other day on this subject
Where is it?

Get off that horse Cletus, it's too high, you're gonna fall and hurt yourself.

Is there any proofs China is spying on us? We know America is.

>America benifits the most out of NATO.
Imagine being this delusional. If anything America gets the short end of the stick when it comes to NATO. Other countries get protection while the US has to pay the bills

Telecom manufacturing lobbyist in America are getting desperate.
How can they even compete in a free market without indirect gibs.

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Let's be realistic. If US agencies had found backdoors, they would be way to happy to use it for their own spying.
The fact that they blackmail every countries means that they didn't find anything.

>is there any proofs that a powerful hostile nation is spying on people

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>Imagine forcing yourself to buy inferior Chinese products
iphone?

I'm suprised our government even thinks about Portugal. Trump probably thinks you are part of Spain.

So where is it?

I switched from an iPhone to an Android and desu, I wish I didn't. Android def has so flaws, but it is cheaper

yes china i am glad you will know my exact location so you can kidnap me and put me in a determent camp hail winnie the poo

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>yes, we spy on you but we are the good guys, so everything is OK
the absolute state of sharters ITT

How can you be sure air is real if you can't see it?

yes, america, in comparison to china, are the good guys.
>look at me haha im an edgy 18 year old, america sux xddddddddd

If China is really spying then show proof.

Metadatas are literally not protected under EU laws.

it was on int in a thread on this exact topic, i cant remember the post number and the thread is archived

t. zhang wang

It's not hard to find archived threads newfag.

1989 Tiananmen Square Massacre

Ok this is a waterproof argument. I hate China now

it was in my history lol

They steal mostly trade secrets, IP to benefit their companies, military information, etc. They also spy on diaspora communities.

Poland very recently caught a spy. Huawei stole information and tried to steal actual equipment from T-mobile as well.

In general for Europe they've been caught in Belguim, Finland, France, Germany (a lot), Lithuania (what's the point), Norway, Poland, Russia, Switzerland, Sweden and the UK (major concern about cyber warfare affecting the country). Both in the act or attempting to recruit.

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_intelligence_activity_abroad

We are pissed because forcing our companies to share tech aside they aggressively steal tech.

bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-02-28/from-bounty-payments-to-espionage-u-s-alleges-chinese-ip-theft

In short they are fucking with businesses in countries to benefit their businesses while damaging foreign companies. They use it for military advancements.

What makes them different than other countries is how they use it to benefit their companies.

Why are Chinese diaspora in Australia and Canada so fucking toxic? They arent like that here. It's like a legitimate fifth column.

>Any evidence for those claims?
Most of what they design and the shit sold in any China town.

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>NOOOOOO PLS WAIT, WE DIDN'T HAVE TIME TO IMPLEMENT OUR HW BACKDOORS AND BOTNET YET
amerilards are so hilarious, this is literally begging

1 yuan has been deposited into your account

t. country that literally exists because america let it

Yeah apple, Intel, UTC, Tesla, Boeing, Lockheed, Raytheon, NVIDIA, Nike, Northrop Grumman, Cisco,Amazon, IBM, etc.

All crap.

When you steal IP give it to your companies and they also steal IP, unfairly subsidize said companies, etc. It isnt the free market.

True

I remember that American Cisco routers already had backdoors in them.

tomshardware.com/news/cisco-backdoor-hardcoded-accounts-software,37480.html

It's almost like you could Google it and look at all the arrests and legal cases involving China. Or look at national intelligence agencies concerns about chona. I'll give you a hint they arent ignoring Europe.

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I like my Samsung. I used to like Motorola but they kept getting crappier and with really buggy software. Then I found out Motorola sold their handsets to a Chinese company. I just dont like Apple so for now, I'm with worst Korea.

It's ok, the US also spies on everyone else, but they're the good guys, remember?

>I-it was just incompetence, n-no way the NSA forced them to do it

There is a ton of proof you lying retard.

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Which is in line with Snowdens statements that the NSA also put backdoors in routers. especially the ones heading overseas.
>5 backdoors
Oops, here is the 7th. Stop auditing our hardware please.
zdnet.com/article/cisco-removed-its-seventh-backdoor-account-this-year-and-thats-a-good-thing/

>his country can't build their own 5G

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australia has already banned them though

The US are right. Spy for spy better have the americans than the chinese. Also they are Nato allies

Meanwhile in 2014.. before these backdoor leaks

theguardian.com/books/2014/may/12/glenn-greenwald-nsa-tampers-us-internet-routers-snowden

That's way more than paid shills usually get

Implying that's an Australian.

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new zeland has banned them and so has the US I think?
just us and canada are still mulling it over, I don't know why it's taking so long

>They are nato allies
They are also known to share European trade secrets with American businesses.

Why is Jow Forums in love with an ant farm country like china?

Stop that meme.
telecomstechnews.com/news/2018/aug/13/nokia-ericsson-china-communist-party/

proofs

look how they panic at the mere sight of them
pathetic

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Most of which don't seem to care enough about so called spying and IP to not have fabs and assembly sites in China or have a contract manufacturer that does.

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>european secrets
such as?

t. seething caveman

Glenn Greenwald is a Russian asset, just like Assange.

You guys could do well using Huawei as leverage in getting a good trade deal with US, with brexit coming up.

Top fucking kek.

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LONG LIVE CHINA

What evidence is there supporting that there are vulnerabilities or backdoors in the hardware or the software china provides?

A bit concerning that I can't tell whether this is satire or real at first glance.

yea I think it's already come out that our security officials think the risk from huawei is *probably* manageable
we'll get completely sidelined from five eyes though

arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2015/04/nsa-spied-on-eu-politicians-and-companies-with-help-from-german-intelligence/

HAHAHAHAHHAHAAH FUCK YOOOOOUUUUUUU
FUCK YOOOOOUUUUUUUUUUUUU

windpowermonthly.com/article/960011/trans-atlantic-espionage-claimed-german-wind-company

bloomberg.com/news/features/2018-10-04/the-big-hack-how-china-used-a-tiny-chip-to-infiltrate-america-s-top-companies

zdnet.com/article/how-one-tiny-chinese-chip-was-used-to-infiltrate-apple-amazon-us-contractors-report/

That's not to mention the normal hacking methods and more embarrassingly how lazy the Chinese were with firmware passwords in connected devices.

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Also this

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yeah... they sure stopped them in barcelona last week.... do americans actually think they're relevant?

I meant I dont think the poster is a Bruce so he's playing dumb.

theregister.co.uk/2015/04/30/airbus_us_german_intelligence/

Airbus sueing the NSA lol.

>bloomberg.com/news/features/2018-10-04/the-big-hack-how-china-used-a-tiny-chip-to-infiltrate-america-s-top-companies
Hasn't that piece been pretty much confirmed to be fake news months ago? No other news agency has reported on the story and Apple has already declared the story to be bs