Is being a doctor, dentist, or pharmacist worth it anymore

So there is until there isn't. Using radiation oncology, one of the most competitive fields of medicine to get into as an example, there has been a doubling of residency slots almost every few years for pretty much no reason. The result? Nobody can find jobs unless they go to places like MD Anderson of fucking Harvard, in one of the most competitive fields. Not even five years ago this happened in radiology. The cycle basically just rinses and repeats. Add onto this the fact that medical students are by FAR the most competitive and competent they've ever been and the rise of incompetent midlevels (nurses) and you have job dissatisfaction going through the roof. Why be a doctor and put up with bullshit when you can be a nurse and have just as much responsibility with arguably more job security? In the last 20 or so years, the average score for medical students getting into dermatology has gone up by three fucking standard deviations. 3. On an bell curve. The average score is so insanely high that medical students have basically learned how to game the system. It's incredible. But rather than be rewarded for this, they have to fight for an ever dwindling or overly bloated amount of residency slots where they aren't even guaranteed distinction for their impressive achievements since nurses and their ilk are pushing incredibly hard to be recognized as "physicians" despite their objectively inferior training. Nowadays, when you're under for surgery you may not even have an anesthesiologist taking care of you when you're under, it could be some random CRNA and believe me, when shit goes sideways, I've heard the words "page anybody" be uttered far too many times for me to be comfortable with where the field is headed. Overall, medicine requires an impressive business acumen to be successful since I've also heard of group practices earning upwards of millions for their members. The field is less about helping people, and more about playing the field so to speak.

you couldn't possible be a pharmacist. The declining demand and increasing supply of graduates is possibly the biggest complaint pharmacists seem to have about the field.

>good future demand
wew lad. robots can't count pills?

I have a pharmacy degree too, but even as a freshman student I knew very well that I would kms if I had to work in pharmacy store, handing out prescription medicine. From my teens I did insane amount of introspection and soul-searching in order to carve myself a fulfilling and also well paid career.
I self-taught myself programing during high school plus learned the deepest guts of unix systems by assembling Linux From Scratch at age 17.
I choose to study pharmacy to be able to do a life-saving drug research, but under condition that I will be handsomely paid for it too.
So how to distinguish myself from the abundant and cheap white-coated labrats in R&D? -During my pharmacy studies I continued to build on my programming skills and did every MOOC on coursera and edx on that new shiny thing that then 5-6yrs started appearing called "Data Science". learned a shit-ton of statistics and mathematical modeling. On second year of my studies I found out about newly shaping fields of Pharmacometrics and Quantitative Systems Pharmacology and knew immediatelly this is what Iwant to do. No professor in my country ever heard about such things. Had to learn everything all by myself.
Fast forward to my graduation, one day after my final state exam I started a at big american pharma as a "mathematical modeler in r&d", working with applied maths PhDs from MIT.

tl;dr: pharmacy student user self-taught himself programming, statistics, data science and mathematical modeling during any free time left instead of partying. Developed an inbreachable moat and edge against fellow pharmacists and doctors. Be an unicorn, getting a big pharma cushy R&D job with just MSc. on day one and doing cutting edge drug research

>that euroboomer that Larps about working with MIT grads

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kek, how did you guess I am euroboomer apart from my lazy late night english?
I traded away €6k in crypto like a brainlet because I didn't learn about TA until few months ago. So my story in prev post is my only success I can talk about on Jow Forums. It is my first time on Jow Forums that I write a real story that apparently feels soo good to be true that I am accused of larping. feels good, man.
I am reporting my work directly a project lead who is "senior principal scientist", an applied math MIT graduate with 20yrs in company already. Another MIT grad I worked with recently left the company to found a small specialized r&d consultancy with his former classmates. There is also a russian autist with phd from theoretical physics, guy is doing the toughest and nonconvex optimization problems we have here.
Job is awesome, but I often need to crack 10-12 hours a day when the problem at hand turns out to be purely mathematical and I need to keep pace with these professional mathematicians. I plan to stay 1 year more at the company and then grab use the recommendations from my project leads to enroll on the best Quantitative Systems Pharmacology PhD program in europe and then join back some big pharma in Basel, but this time as a senior scientist. -You can be good but without a PhD you can't walk the ladder to Principal scientist or scientific director in research division in pharma company

Ive been a pharmacist for 15 years now..the demand is always there for me...with my overtime I take home easy 2 grand a week in the winter and I'm up to 4 weeks vacation per year now...this job isnt going anywhere anytime soon

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Doctor(depending on specialization) and dentist are good yes. Pharmacist NO

have a female friend who is going to school for dentistry. I think that she would say it's well worth it. I also see her on multiple vacations and she isnt quite a dentist yet, so I dont imagine life being so hard.

yeah mang, you have 15 years exp, these new grads are the ones seeing the demand decline

You want me to post pay stubs? I know most urban areas are saturated, but there will always be demand for competent pharmacists that can properly manage a pharmacy and the needy customers. Not everybody that graduates will make a good pharmacist.
>wew lad. robots can't count pills?
I wish they could. Otherwise, I wouldn't have to pay $8 an hour for brainlets like you to do it.

Kek you will be replaced by a desperate resident who is drowning in loans for half the pay. Enjoy unemployment

This, everyone, is a pharmacist who teaches at a pharmacy school and wants more students to be suckered in. Always consider the source of whoever is giving you information.

Doctor
Fuck no. The Worst quality of life. Money is above average.
And that is after 10-15 years working 100+hrs weeks, while only time outside of hospital is spent catching up on the sleep deficit.
Literally no life.

My hospital in Europooristan is using pill robots already. Plethora of graduates. Network of pharmacies is saturated. Demand will drop drastically.

Still, doc is the worst.

Hah, me teaching? I proudly work retail where most of the money and actual patient interaction is at.

Are you in an area where people actually want to live? Most desirable areas are completely screwed for dentistry, pharmacy, and law.

I do. And it is saturated here. But I worked regularly during school and on breaks to get experience, and I showed how great I was at providing customer service. My DM gave me a full time job offer 6 months before I graduated. I graduated 3 years ago.

You’re an overpaid McDonald’s drive thru worker. Enjoy your impending pay cuts, declining insurance reimbursements, having 15 second lunches, crazy patients screaming at you, being held up at gunpoint by addicts, being forced to follow every Jewish rule about red and green stickers, remembering the exact count of controlled substances in your pharmacy so you don’t get your license suspended in an audit, and overall coping with the shit life that you gave yourself
t. almost went to pharmacy school but glad I didn’t

it never was

Also customer service is not a valuable skill. It’s the nice way of saying how willing you are to get on your knees and start sucking it. One day when your store manager is horny enough he’s going to replace you with a 24 yo fresh grad roastie who sucked his dick on the same chair you eat lunch on. Robots will start replacing pharmacists and retail will be the first to go because they are guaranteed to meet metrics more consistently than you and managers care more about numbers than your thirty-second “counseling” that a parrot could learn

Oh now it makes sense. You're salty because you couldn't get into pharmacy school. Kinda sad since the standards have dropped every year since 2005.
Play nice and I'll put in a good word for you to my buddy Dr. Weinstein. He's looking for a CNA that won't mind changing geriatrics' shitty diapers.

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I can't argue with you. You maaaad!

Kek this cope is fucking unreal. Do you realize how many women are in your profession? It’s like 70% female. Do you know what that means for you?

Lots of office sex?

Go either nursing, nurse practitioner, or physician assistant. I'm in PA school right now, done in December. Get to work like a doc, make good money, only a master's degree. Good money, don't need to pay for malpractice insurance, get good benefits, always have a doc for tough cases and for consultation if needed. Less stressful because you are not the top person.

>all this ego & anger from wagecucks over their skillsets ITT

what a sad existence

man, just admit that 80% of your expertise at pharmacy store is pretty basic and repetitive - checking the prescription, check for interactions, suggest some otc drugs/supplements where you have high margin. I say to you as fellow MSc. of pharmacy that 80% of this and mainly the most common but "simple" indications which are by itself 80% of the customers will be replaced by machine learning algorithms trained on health record data. The old computer-illiterate polymorbid patients that cannot imagine themselves without their pseudo-religious personal interaction with their pharmacist will be dead in 15 years.
I repeat, 80% of patient interaction will be sealt with fancy vending machine powered by machine-learning algorithm trained on data from the interactions from literature and public health records, so if there was a big pharmacy with 5 pharmacists, in 15 years there will be 1 excellent pharmacist dealing with the 20% nontrivial consulting and indications and 4 fancy vending machines and the health insurance companies will support this trend because it will be cheaper BUT more reliable, very analogous as with the ascent of self-driving cars.

I would actually welcome more automation like that. But this is an over-regulated industry that still seems 30 year behind in some respects when it comes to technology. We still use fax machines ffs.

It means anyone who can talk, read, count to 30, and give head can do a retail pharmacist’s job. How many people can you find on the street that can do that? No valuable skills are required. Compare that to someone like this user . Also agree with 100%, retail pharmacy is a dying profession

doctor will be worth it after the inevitable collapse
being a wagecuck is retarded though
study medicine for the discipline and work habits required, then make your own money doing something else

Also this based user has Rx in his ID. Kek has confirmed that he’s a real pharmacist

My girlfriend is graduating this year and can confirm the entire west coast is saturated. She looking to flyover country and per diem jobs atm.

T. Big dick clinical BCPS pharmacist

Dentist yes. The other 2 no.

As a dentist, assuming you just work the system properly, you will be a millionaire by 40 and making 300k+ per year

do a master's in HTA and you'll be making bank like this user working for big pharma or cushy govt job

>Big Dick Clinical Big Cock Pharmacy Specialist
Jokes aside, do you feel that BCPS and other certs have helped you? I’m seeing former classmates trying to get them under their belt

Helps switching jobs. You are more likely to get an interview for a clinical position. Thats about it (its all the interview after that). Besides that its purpose is literally what i just did; a status symbol.

yep I am the same user who posted
and some of my colleagues here at our team are specializing in HTA, the trendy buzzword for this amidst big pharma right now is RWE, "Real World Evidence". If you are interested in this kind of modeling, I have a book here by me "Decision Modelling for Health Economic Evaluation" from Briggs, Claxton, Sculpher. I am mentioning this by particular, because these colleagues of mine developed a great simulation framework developed in R based on this methods from this book caled "heemod", you'll find it on github

What world are you living in where retail pharmacies running thin margins are going to make huge investments in that tech any time soon? Many mega-corporation pharmacies are using systems that havent been updated in 15 years

Nice trips

you probably asked the same question about dispensing robots, now they are at every Walgreens filling vials

Im a resident now and I am absolutely miserable. I wouldn’t choose this career if I could do it over again even if I were guaranteed a million dollars a year. There is no compensation worth wasting away your youth stuck in the library and then the hospital. Also the amount of documentation(especially in my speciality) is soul crushing.

Honestly this shit is so intolerable that if I don’t make it from crypto I might an hero

Which career

Internal medicine residency

That sounds brutal sorry user.

Wait is dentistry really that lucrative? Seems too good to be true.

Dentist, NO. It's all about supply and demand. In an over saturated area, there are more dental offices than gas stations.

Dentist is just a glorified blue collar work, using physical labor to make money. You don't sell or convince the patient to "upgrade" you won't make it.

Imagine all the disgusting teeth you’d have to look at and crazy children biting your fingers off

Well worth it to earn 150k+

It does seem oversaturated. Sales is learnable and a practical skill in almost any vocation.

1.You won't make it if you incur student loans
2. If you're a burger, you'll be taxed between 40%-48% tax first year out. 150K is not a realistic number
3. If you like sales? Go into sales. Earn a professional degree, then sell your services like a fooking used car salesman to make it?

College in America is a disgusting meme. The ones who truly make it, the innovators and self made men are always the ones who have the drive to learn on their own and gain experience and knowledge through practice and experimentation by doing their own projects and learning through doing. Half of your college classes are taught by teachers who don't know how to teach or teach through multiple choice tests. You pay them thousands and thousands to do so, including for mandatory gen ed classes.

Then, you leave college, $40k in debt, and enter an oversaturated job market with the same knowledge and experience everyone else college had. It's a fucking meme. If you can't learn on your own and learn though your own projects and experiments, then you are a cuck. Take the multiple choice debt pill instead and go to college.