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Luther died a century before the 30 years war you mouthbreathing meme spewing spastic

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>if luther died it means protestantism didn't caused 30 years war and german states didn't fought among themselves and triggered all the neighbouring countries to join the war!!! Hans is gut, ich dindu nuffin! The same never happened again too!

>catholic corruption means you make up your own theology and edit the bible rather than doubling down on catholics principle like real reformers within the church have always done

1) protestants and catholics had already made peace 70 years before the outbreak of the 30 yw
2) the thirtyears' war broke out because the emperor tried to take sovereignty from the small states
3) the foreign powers joined because they wanted to weaken the emperor, they weren't "dragged in"
4) religion was merely the pretext, protestant Sweden allied with catholic France, catholic Habsburg allied with protestant Denmark etc

but I guess facts don't matter to you as long as you can push your retarded narrative
now post your "destroyers of Europe" meme and join with the autists obsessed about Germany on /his/, you'll fit in perfectly
why does a central asian even care about Germany?

Luther translates the bible to german and held mass jn German so that the peasants actually understood what was preached
Also he abolished the sale of indulgence because he acknowledged it as the scam that it was
But Germany-obsessed faggots like you will always find a way to somehow portray even this as destruction of Europe

the catholics were the ones adding fanfiction to christianity luther just translated the bible, he didnt edit shit.

>why does a central asian even care about Germany?
Because you funded (((Lenin))) and (((Trotsky))) and let them enter Russia to their revolution meme which, guess what, affected Central Asia too. You're so destructive you managed to affect even this irrelevant region

>doesn't address my arguments
lel how surprising
keep seething

Protestantism is gay and the basis for secularism.

>Luther translates the bible to german
It was a faulty translation where he made edits in order to conform with his new theology. Ordinary people couldn't read and everybody who could read understood Latin.
>held mass jn German so that the peasants actually understood what was preached
You don't think peasants had catechesis where they learned about the mass, prayers in Latin, etc.? Illiterate peasants 1000 years ago unironically had a better religious education than most Catholics do today.
>Also he abolished the sale of indulgence
Indulgences by definition cannot be sold, there were rogue clergy bullshitting and trying to "sell" indulgences or saying that people would get out of hell by giving donations, but the Church put an end to corruption surrounding indulgences and almsgiving with the Council of Trent.
>But Germany-obsessed faggots like you
1/3 of Germany is Catholic, I'm not even addressing Germany, but the Reformation (which wasn't only a product of Luther) brought a lot of unnecessary strife.

>the catholics were the ones adding fanfiction to christianity
Protestantism is radically different from every other form of Christianity, do you think everyone just got it wrong for 1500 years?
>he didnt edit shit
But he did though, he was almost going to start taking books out of the New Testament and he made edits to line up with Lutheran theology

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>hurr durr autist retard mouthbreader chink spastic
>no u r seething :)
german banter everyone

The church only forbade the sale of indulgences after the reformation had already happened
The catholic church wasn't some holy divine saint, the pope was a worldly ruler, the bishops ruled over territories in Germany, had their own castles and armies and waged war. Luther did nothing wrong in starting the process that stripped them of their power, he was absolutely right.

catholics added retarded shit like buying indulgences and celibacy for priests. besides lther wanst the only one to critize the sorry state of catholicism. the hussite wars happened previously and for a good reason. protestants did literally nothing wrong.

I'm not bantering, I'm insulting you because you behave like the typical spastic. Address my arguments or shut the fuck up

Dude take it easy before you started another genocide or something, you're entering full meltdown mode

Well anyway if all you know about a topic are Jow Forums memes it's best to just stay silent

But luther didnt want to start a new church, he just wanted to reform the Catholic church

but by the end of his life he was forced into serving as head of a new church

and the wars didnt come from lutheranism until he was already dead

the catholics played themselves, if they hadnt, catholicism would easily be the worlds biggest religion by now

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>Implying you have full and most importantly objective view on the subject and not one aided government sanctioned propaganda
Ok

Yeah you still haven't addressed my arguments
Feel free to try

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>The church only forbade the sale of indulgences after the reformation had already happened
The Church never authorized indulgences to be sold, indulgences are when temporal punishment due for sin is remitted by the Church's authority of "binding and loosing" (eg because you've done something good you no longer have to do penance for X thing), they cannot be sold. The issue was that indulgences are given for giving alms, and some clergy took advantage of this. The Council of Trent addressed the criticism of Protestants by ending these corrupt practices while affirming the legitimacy of the concept.
>The catholic church wasn't some holy divine saint
The Church is eternal, it doesn't consist of just those who are alive right now. When people within the Church (including its leaders) do immoral things you correct them and live a virtuous life as an example to others, but you don't rebel against the one and only true Church.
>celibacy for priests
It's an ancient tradition, but not an essential part of the faith (Eastern Catholic priests are often married, for example). Early in Church history all clergy were expected to refrain from sex, even if they were married. Married priests who had sex with their wives was often tolerated, so the West the practice was doubled-down so that all clergy were celibate, while in the East restrictions were loosened so that priests could be married.
>besides lther wanst the only one to critize the sorry state of catholicism
This is true, the difference is that he revolted against the Church and created his own form of Christianity with a new and separate theology while denying ancient and essential Christian practices. Those who actually fixed the problems reformed the Chruch from within. While the Hussite Wars did happen, but the majority moderate Hussites eventually reconciled with the Church after a period of dialogue.

You're correct about Lenin, but Trotsky lived in New York City and reached Russia via Canada.