>tfw your supposed “pagan revival” movement is less pagan than the religion that replaced paganism to begin with
oof. do you have these types of larpers in your country?
Neopagans
Joshua Ramirez
Leo Perez
they are irrelevant.
Lucas Hill
They are quite pathetic and yes, we have plenty of them unfortunately.
Charles Allen
I agree with your general message, but the antisemitic undertone of your picture is really problematic
Julian Lopez
I get ya. ;)
Luis Watson
We have a few. Mostly wiccans or other liberal feminist types. They're all weird.
The type you see on pol you could probably count on your fingers and must feel ashamed seeing how most will never reveal themselves in public
Aaron Hughes
I hate neo-indo-aryan pagans and neo-hindutva LARPers
I wish I could meet one IRL
so that I could commit HATE crime
Thomas Ward
paganism has been appropriated by gentrification types in Brooklyn
Tyler Foster
that could only be an improvement.
Juan James
>be american
>your ancestors came to the land and genocided almost all natives
>destroyed their civilization and stole their gold idols away to Europe to be melted down
>forbid them to practice their religion which is paganism as it finest
>later on some people of yuropean descent decided to practice "satanism" because it's hip and cool, which would become a ""paganism"" in the future
>being a satanist makes you accept that they is God and his son Jesus Christ, which means you're christian/jew (Without Jesus, there is no Satan)
>but the cringiest thing is that some americans are "practicing" european "paganism" in an indian land
If only natives had a better army, if only..
Joshua Cruz
Imagine not being a Rosicrucian
Easton Wilson
is there even any knowledge of the native religion left? for example, the revived mayan religions here are watered down from what they supposedly were
besides it's silly to practice a religion tied to a culture which you have no ties to or knowledge of
Liam Morgan
judging by the fact they came from Siberia they were shamans who believed in animal spirits like our natives.
Brandon Johnson
Southwest Amerindians here have peyote religion.
Sebastian Sanders
they were officially recognized as a religious group here kek
Thomas Johnson
>that could only be an improvement
Isaac Taylor
>heterodox catholic
Elijah Stewart
>here come the wojaks
Oh boy. thread quality went up 100%
Liam Clark
en.m.wikipedia.org
>Heterodoxy in the Roman Catholic Church refers to views that differ from strictly orthodox views, but retain sufficient faithfulness to the original doctrine to avoid heresy.
Adrian Diaz
So cut the bullshit and just call yourself a Protestant then.
Robert Walker
catholic heterodoxy inclines itself towards the opposite of protestantism. it’s where many catholic traditions are accepted without being official dogma .
Ayden Howard
Our pagans are based and redpilled
Connor Scott
I follow the will and spirit of my ancestors truth, so no my true ancestor following THEIR culture and religion will not look down on me for following my culture.
Caleb Cook
It's an officialy recognized religious denomination here.
en.m.wikipedia.org
Owen Morales
>Holy Mary
>Goddess
Why do protties keep on repeating this bullshit?
Cameron Clark
they're pretty cringe
Cooper Rogers
>en.m.wikipedia.org
A clandestine Romuva group is known to have existed within a labor camp in Inta, Russia. After the members were released and returned to Lithuania around 1960, some of these practitioners, along with Jonas Trinkūnas, formed the Vilnius Ethnological Ramuva and began organizing public celebrations of traditional Lithuanian religious holidays, starting with Rasos festival in 1967. In 1971 the Soviets expelled the members from the university they attended and exiled the leaders.[40] By 1988, when the power of the Soviet Union was waning and Lithuanian independence was on the horizon, Romuva groups began reorganizing in the Baltic nations and practising their religion in the open.[13]
dont let your culture and people be exterminated by "christianity" or modern capitalistic elements.
Nathaniel Reed
For all intents and purposes she is. She’s has more power and authority than the goddesses of pagan myths. Where is it Greek mythology that Hera commands the Armies of Heaven and generates grace?
Ian Jackson
BASED
Daniel Cooper
She isn't, there's only one God, people pray to Christ using her image and her purity. Not even pragmatically she is a Goddess, she never in the history of catholicism was considered a Goddess, the same for saints. Saints and the Virgin Mary are a channel towards God, not Gods themselves
Adrian Ward
>Some historians wanted to prove the beauty of ancient polytheism and even started creating new aspects of Lithuanian mythology. One of the most famous of these was Theodor Narbutt who edited Ancient Greek myths and created new Lithuanian ones.[
meanwhile the article admits all authentic Lithuanian pagan traditions simply continued in Christianity. neopagans proved to be larpers again.
Anthony Reyes
hmmmm. While I appreciate your clarification, i'm very aware of Orthodox Catholic doctrine regarding the Virgin Mary. I was hoping it was obvious, that my intent is not to argue for the official doctrine of Catholic Christianity but to compare what I see as perennial aspects of Catholic Christianity with neopaganism.
Chase Ortiz
>perennial aspects of Catholic Christianity with neopaganism.
That is the point, that is nothing similar with paganism at all. That is ridiculous, also the doctrine of both the orthodox and catholic churches regarding Virgin Mary are the same, the catholic church only has more theological understanding regarding the virgin conception of christ and the fact she is more pure than every saint on earth, hence naming her the Queen of Heaven. Also if you truly knew the Orthodox doctrine, you would know that Platonism and gnosticism is much more rampant in the Orthodox church since they don't accept Aquinas nor St. Augustine as fathers of their church. To the point that the official stance regarding the Eucharist is that you become Christ when you eat the communion, therefore you become a God for limited time and when reaching heaven you become one with God, just like Pagan religions did with their rituals, whereas the Catholic Church follows Aquinas/Aristotelean thought where in communion you are closer to Christ and in Heaven side by side with God
Caleb Lewis
Transubstantiation is considered the real body and blood. You are correct that it's rooted in the Aristotelian concept of the substance and the accident, which is why it doesn't physical appear like flesh and blood. But it's believed the flesh and blood.
Jack Hill
>Transubstantiation is considered the real body and blood
Yes, it is. In both churches it is considered flesh and blood of Christ, but Aristotle points out that there is a difference between becoming one with Christ, like part of Christ, as the Orthodox preach and being united closer than ever on temporal reality with Christ as the Catholics preach. The point here is that Platonism neglect the thought that Universals can accept differentiation or specification and still maintain their Universal status, whereas Aristotle doesn't, as he believed that several attributes and differentiations within a Universal doesn't destroy its Universal status. Plato believed that red pen is regarded universally only as a pen, as the pen status absorbs the attributes that contains it, whereas Aristotle believes that the fact that a red pen is a red pen and its attribute differentiation doesn't destroy the fact that it is universally considered a pen
Mason Wilson
Can you retarded phoneshitters stop linking this mobile garbage?
Thanks
Brody Lopez
I used "orthodox Catholic" as in orthodox catholic dogma, not the two churches. See the use of heterodoxy in OP. The fact that I called called Catholicism "more pagan than neopaganism" should have tipped you off that I'm not basing my opinions on a orthodox/official Christian position. You might think or accuse me of not knowing the dogma because of this, and certainly don't know everything, but I feel I know enough to make such personal interpretations of Catholic Christianity. this discussion on official catholic metaphysics does not challenge any of my points or post, including the image in OP. since i'm not arguing what official Catholic teaching considers it's doctrine to be nor have I professed to, you saying i'm "wrong" does not carry any weight.
Alexander Fisher
I respect Hindu paganism and ancient remnants of old pagan tribes. Neo Paganism is a LARP.
David Rivera
I was agreeing with you in the last post, the point here I was talking about is that even the most heterodox catholic faith is really apart from paganism. I mean even in a hail mary prayer, there isn't one claim that she is a Goddess. If one prays a hail mary without paying attention to its words or use her statue believing she is a Goddess, that is not being Catholic at all. The catholic dogma starts with the Holy trinity which states there is only one God. Here in Brazil there are some african religions that use the Virgin Mary statue to pray to their Goddess, hence to the point that you believe there is more than one God or that Saints are Gods, it isn't catholicism anymore. Also sorry i thought you were comparing both churches here kek, i read it wrong
>i'm very aware of Orthodox Catholic doctrine regarding the Virgin Mary.
Charles Wilson
Odin is the true and greatest supreme God and his spirit guides us to be inspired by his will, all other faiths are false and created by evil.
Hail Odin, Hail Odin, Hail Odin, Hail Odin, Hail Odin, Hail Odin, Hail Odin, Hail Odin, Hail Odin, Hail Odin, Hail Odin, Hail Odin, Hail Odin, Hail Odin, Hail Odin, Hail Odin, Hail Odin, Hail Odin, Hail Odin, Hail Odin, Hail Odin, Hail Odin, Hail Odin, Hail Odin, Hail Odin, Hail Odin, Hail Odin,
Cooper Fisher
I absolutely agree that prayers need be recited with attention. On the whole "monotheism vs polytheism" debate, imo it's solely etymological and thus not of concern to me. I don't really care whether you have one god or many gods, I think the value is in what you do. I have no problem calling the Virgin Mary a Goddess even if makes some Christians wince, but I don't think this takes away anything from her. on the contrary I see it as a term of endearment. Maybe in Brazil things are different, since you have more active Christians as well as actual pagans. In the USA none of it manners. There is no Christian society to speak of. Just a post-Christian one. You can believe what ever you want, and no one will give you trouble for it or ever know. Does this make me a heretic, a non-catholic?
Kayden Green
The most cringe thing are mutts who unironically are Norse pagans because muh ancestors
Jayden Walker
So you want pagan shit.
Matthew Clark
No, I have never heard of a Dutch pagan.
Tyler Gonzalez
Plus the word pagan itself is a bit offensive. Why on earth would call anyone himself a pagan?
Robert Butler
*would anyone call
Angel Jenkins
I want authentic spirituality practiced with sincer heart. I wouldn’t include cum guzzling for magic powers as this though.
Robert Howard
>Does this make me a heretic, a non-catholic?
It does m8, because the whole catholic path towards heaven and salvation isn't a liberal path where you can believe whatever you want or interpret the bible the way you want, it's fully based on its submission towards God by the laws he passed down to us through the Apostolic succession. Also it only makes sense in a philosophical and metaphysical way if you consider it this way, if you interpret it another way you are disrespecting the salvation of the Original Sin, Christ offered us by killing itself in the cross. Hence why it is so imperial for the ones in power nowadays to destroy Catholicism and replace it for anything pagan, because if society fully endorses the Natural Catholic truth, we would probably resurrect Traditional Monarchies, vilify the French Revolution and absolutely destroy the ideological background that sustains the liberal elites of the world nowadays
Jaxson Murphy
>Maybe in Brazil things are different, since you have more active Christians as well as actual pagans. In the USA none of it manners. There is no Christian society to speak of. Just a post-Christian one. You can believe what ever you want, and no one will give you trouble for it or ever know.
Well yeah, back in the 50s we were called the most catholic nation on earth, we literally even had traditionalistic catholic society that made a catholic manifesto against the modern world, and spread its influence across the globe, to the point that the strongest branch nowadays is France and the US. It's really really red pilled if you want to read it:
tfp.org
Jason Miller
because i’d consider my own devotions and convictions to be more devout than most catholics. you call it a liberal path, but in truth having different interpretations does not imply a more liberal path. it’s easily just as narrow. Your emphases on the faith itself, as opposed to the manifestation of the faith into actions, seems to me like it is Protestant. the sad fact is that Catholic doctrine has lost legitimacy since Vatican 2. It’s every man for himself now.
I look to my own Catholicism and see something different.
Jonathan Cox
The point here is that not even Vatican II destroyed the catholic sacraments nor the apostolic succession. Pope are infallible only in ex-cathedra terms, which means in terms that don't encompass the apostolic succession and the interpretation of the catholic dogmas that are the same since Christ. I mean Pope Francis is trying his best to destroy the liturgy and the sacraments, but he isn't really capable of doing so, to the point that to force death penalty to be immoral he is doing one loophole after another and in the end destroying his own reign and the conservatives are getting pissed and forcing him to deal with homosexual crisis within the church.
>because i’d consider my own devotions and convictions to be more devout than most catholics.
Also meh, depends on what you call devotion, the general catholic nowadays truly is devoid of his own liturgy and catholic knowledge, but not really due to their own fault, but more due to fact that the church has been since the 50s infiltrated by communists and faggots that basically want the liturgy to end. Hence the old lady that goes to the church every sunday probably doesn't know anything about the metaphysical concepts we were talking about earlier, whereas in the Middle Ages it was the duty of every priest to inform and evangelize the faithful
> Your emphases on the faith itself, as opposed to the manifestation of the faith into actions, seems to me like it is Protestant.
That exactly the opposite, protestants want to see the manifestation of faith not mattering if it is real or not, hence the charismatic baptists and the "miracles" that save people from illness and other stuff. Catholics on the other hand, at least talking about liturgy, have the opposite understanding, as you discover the source of faith you walk the path of the pious, thus walking a life of sainthood and thus waling the God's way towards heaven, that is the only catholic doctrine about it
Alexander Thompson
They're getting rather abundant here for some reason. Took a course on the old testament and half the class were neopagans who thought that christianity is the bane of existance while arguing that the west would have been better off it not having existed while Ignoring Islam and thinking it would stay in the middle east.