Eight hundred years

>eight hundred years

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>muslims conquer Spain in eight years
>sp*niards take EIGHT HUNDRED to reverse it
OH NO NO NO

Once again main protags

any armchair historians here who could answer this?

which one was the bigger fuckup, greeks losing anatolia or muslims losing iberia? who had more population/resources/favourable terrain yet still lost their territory?

>Everyday, until you like it

The actual reconquest took about 200 years. It started after the dead of Almanzor in 1002 and was basically over in 1230s. For the next 250 years Granada was Castilian vassal until they chimped out and got stomped.

Definitely Anatolia. Al-Andalus was majority Christian by population. It's incredible how Byzantines managed to lose it. Talk about snatching defeat from the jaws of victory.

Inshallah!

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You should hear how energetically Muslims talk about al-Andalus

>It's incredible how Byzantines managed to lose it.

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That pic surely showed me!

reminder that arabs wouldn't have conquered it if it wasn't for all the berber mercenaries they used all across the maghreb

but was the general population of al-andalus generally unsupportive of the regime or participated in hostilities against them?

So you're saying the map looked like this for eight centuries until Catherine and Ferdinand came out of nowhere?

Mozarabs (Christians of al-Andalus) were initially quite rebellious, but later on were rather passive. It was standard practice of Muslims to put severe restrictions of Christians in order to make them poor fighters and thus less likely to rebel.

Still, the fact that the bulk of population was Christian meant that Muslim states had severally reduced pool of available manpower and consequently had to resort to invite Berbers either as mercenaries or overlords, often with disastrous effect to them.

>Christians
>rising up against their muslim overlords

Of course not, you idiot, they sacked Jewish ghettos instead

It was Muslim mob that pogrom'd Jews in Al-Andalus, my dear Burger.

based

Well to be honest the real Reconquista with a feeling of being invaded by hostile foreigners happened when hostile berber dynasties like Almoravids and Almohads start to came somewhere after .

before that the muslims were a minority and most of them were converted natives actually.

the Berbers did terrible things like massively deport Mozarabs to north africa to remove every resistance on the occupied territories, it was apparently one the main reason who accelerated reconquista since 11th-12th century.

>seething greeklet

PFFFFFFFFFFFFFFT AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

only for the beginning, Berbers rebelled against them and Arabs brings Syrians to BTFO the berbers rebels, they won on north africa but loses on Spain.

Berbers dynasties brings their armies later to do Djihad and unify the Taifas but they finished BTFO and radicalized the christians.

Black Kings and Queens ruled Spain for 800 years? Based. Why ain't'' this shit taught in schools?

>before that the muslims were a minority and most of them were converted natives actually.

There were never mass conversions desu. Much of Visigothic/Roman nobility and city elites converted to retain their position, but lower classes largely didn't follow suit. That was because the Omayyads retained their old policy (abandoned in the Levant by Abbasids) of denying to local converts rights of other Muslims. Therefore, there was little incentive for conversion, whereas in other areas people went Islam chiefly to escape the taxes levied upon non-Muslims from which Muslims were exempt.

>it was apparently one the main reason who accelerated reconquista since 11th-12th century.

Reconquista was each time accelerated by the collapse of central authority in Muslim Spain.

all those revolts could have been avoided if the arabs didn't treat us as second class citizens even after converting they still taxed us they brought the downfall upon themselves desu

>so much spacing between paragraphs

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What's more surprising is that you didn't convert back once you BTFOd the Arabs.

Mujehars (converted Spaniards) actually were converting back during their initial rebellions.

TRUUUUUUU, I fuckin hate crakkkers.

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what's up enver?

convert back to whatever we had before was impossible at that point

Weren't both Christianity and Berber paganism lingering way into 16th or even 17th century?

epic and based
reconquista bound for glory
europe 4 europeans

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why? because they were a difference between christian citizens and berber tribesmens on north africa? I heard most Berbers never liked Romans.

you have math problems nig nog, the majority of the parts of northern iberia were not even 150 years ruled by muslims

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weren't Berbers BTFO by the Banu Hilal some centuries after their rebellion?

Berbers hated East Romans, because the latter did some massacres during their rule in Africa.

Classical Rome was a mixed bag, but overall the Berber elites were well integrated into Roman structures.

t. moor rapebabies

lmao I still can't believe you mad lads did this.

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right tyrone right

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>BTFO
You either got some mental problems or problems with berbers

Why are you so easily triggered by obvious trolling?

cope

christianty died the moment arabs arrived and paganism is just a meme even berbers at that point were muslims
we didn't like romans or phoenicians much because they were invaders but we did cooperate with them at some points

stfu, pussy.

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was the influence of the Banu Hilal important? when French explorers discovered their arab-speaking nomad descendant they didn't even knew writing.

>christianty died the moment arabs arrived

Christians were numerous enough in 12th century to give significant support to invading Normans.

just to bash the envy nigds

>christianty died the moment arabs
Why was that? Not much cultural attachment to Christianity like say the Coptics to your east and the Italians to your north?

>christianty died the moment arabs arrived
why does it died exactly?
just a simple exemple, in Egypt there was a Coptic majority to the 13th century.

>was the influence of the Banu Hilal important?

Banu Hilal basically destroyed the urban fabric of North Africa that was functioning there without significant disruption since antiquity.

how much arabic influence does the portuguese language have?

Umayyad bro?

We did much more, we have defeated arabs, blcks, asians, amerindians, all sorts of pajeets, muslims all over the world and without much effort, and we were usually a minority in the battle field.

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Based and albertobarbossapilled.

it died pretty quickly because everyone was converting it's not the same like in egypt where it took a while any left over christians here either were killed or fled to the mountains

90% of the portuguese language/lph comes directly from latin. in the language arab had almost no impact, some words have arabic origin, many are also used across europe.

But that's not true. Like I said here , Normans utilized the help of Christian population of coastal cities to establish their short-lived Kingdom of Africa. IIRC there was also some African bishops in Rome in 14th or 15th century. Only later Christianity somehow disappeared in Nafri.

t b h I'm surprised. Weren't the people in North Africa unhappy with the Vandals being Arian Christians rather than their sort of Christianity?

>christianty died the moment arabs arrived and paganism is just a meme even berbers at that point were muslims
Wtf are you talking about, there were many people who stayed christian, it even survived until the medieval centuries in some cities.
>paganism is just a meme
No, read this for infos. you will see that they just projected some of their pagan beliefs on the new religion islam(first paragraph for example اولياء صالحين)
also there is a reason why we still say نعن ربّك even after 1400 years of islam.

You are the algerian who thinks he is arab aren't you ?

That’s wrong. Most of Muslim Spain was in fact Muslim, I read that it might have been 80%+ Muslim at around 1000 ad.

Christianity of Africa was divided between Catholics and Donatists, the latter being a sect dating back to 4th century. Both groups were strongly at odds with each other. Vandal Arianism was a meme, Vandals initially supported Donatists, but were in the process of conversion to Catholicism even before the Byzantine conquest. Donatists rapidly disappear without a trace after Arab conquest, so it's likely they were the bulk of early converts to Islam.

Citiation needed, friendo. That would be against everything we know about al-Andalus.

IIRC Muslims became majority only in Granada at the very end of Muslim presence, owing largely to migration of Muslims from reconquered areas.

Are the Ottoman, Mamluks and others Turkish rulers responsible of decreasing of Christianity?

A Spain user from a different site told me it and I’m inclined to believe. Spainish muslims got btfo’d because they became degenerate and they lived more luxioursly than christians in the north or anywhere else in Europe or the world for that matter.

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Retarded Muslim

>because they became degenerate

That's Jow Forums-level bullshit.

it's true. it's not surprising though because every religion europeans touch always turns that way

This shit makes me want to re install Medieval 2 and retake rightful Muslim lands from the christcucks.

They had roads lit with street lamps and lived good. Like late Rome they got foreign mercaniaries to do their fighting. I think the word is decadence.

Dunno about the other part but that's unironically true to a certain extend. They were pretty laid back in their beliefs and even drank wine.

>retake rightful Muslim lands from the christcucks

Before the muslims invade europa, the iberian peninsula was already christian you mong. (since the roman convertion and suebi visigoth waves) The reconquista was the natural process of retaking back our lands, completly... what the pops in the balkans didn´t iberians did.

>Like late Rome they got foreign mercaniaries to do their fighting.

Rome did that since fucking late Republic. Most of Caesar's legions were non-Romans from Cisalpine and Transalpine Gaul. When they were grumbling about their enlistment terms expiring, Caesar literally bought their loyalty by giving them citizenship.

They had a sizable population in modern day catalonia, but I'm not sure about majority there.

when they were expelled from spain and sent to morocco, they were often killed by their other arabs for dressing in the spanish way or being too "progressive"

Beautiful years

Cuck

WE WUZ

>native american
Huh?

BASED

Nah, only Granada was under the moors for that long. The northern half of Iberia was free by the 11th c. and then the southern half (except for Granada, which became a Castilian vassal) by the 13th.

you have to go back migrant

> The northern half of Iberia was free by the 11th c

shut up monkey. the majority of northern iberia was reconquered much earlier in the viii or ix centuries.

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>shut up monkey
whew
As that map shows, only a thin strip in the far north had been conquered by the 9th century, and only by the 11th century Iberians conquered past the sistema central mountain chain, around the center of Iberia.

Isn’t Catalonia considered part of northern Spain? By looking at your pic the catafags have been under Muslim rule for 500 years.

Don't be mean to him ;_;

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and that far strip and for example northern Portugal was preciselly where the majority of iberians lived, for example northern portugal had historically almost half of the population of the country