Either the Roman empire ended in 1204, or Turkey is the current heir of Rome

what makes them?
their culture, language and religion are all different from roman

same with late era byzantium and somehow they were considered '''roman'''
they didnt speak latin
They were christianized
They used the greek script.
They werent roman, not even latin

Don’t ever post your shitty map anywhere near me again

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catholicism was the roman empire's official religion

I think you don't know what we're talking about user

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_church_of_the_Roman_Empire

only after it got sodomized by christians.

The only reason the greeks became the continuation of rome was because romans conquered them, and then they highjacked the system once the actual romans had seized to exist.
This means that the continuation of rome is attained through the right of conquest, its just that in the case of turks, instead of being conquered by the romans, we conquered them and rightfully called ourselves the continuation of rome.

>somehow
they were literally the Roman State, the part that survived past 480. They weren't even successors, since Rome didn't fell in the East until much, much later. Roma had been christianized way before it fell even in the West. Were they not Rome? And ERE/Byzantium did use Latin (administration, military), though it was abandoned for Greek later on. They considered themselves to be Roman and people around them considered them Roman. There's no doubt about it, at least early on. As for how "Roman" the later state was, that's another discussion.

They were considered Roman because they were literally what remained of the Roman Empire after it was divided and the Western part got fucked in the ass by germniggers.

I think the continuation of rome is a country that maintains romans language, culture and religion till this day, which is obviously italy.

why all these quotes lead to a turkish newspaper

It existed, it's been excavated since the late XIX century.
Sadly this guy destroyed half of it with his excavations.

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thats why i said ''late era byzantium''
Former years it was still a fully roman empire, just on the east.
But by the time we had come it had already degraded into a greek kingdom holding onto the title of rome.
Besides many of the bureucracy and military of the ottomans were inspired by the greeks and romans, the concept of janisarries is often said to have emerged from greek thinkers, as the sultans would all educate themselves in greek and roman writings. Throughout the years of ottoman empire ''Sultan of rum'' (Emperor of rome) was always the first and most highly prestigious title of the empire.

Im alright with this tbqh

also this
a replica stands on where it was founded in western turkey

also catholicims is pagan af
precossions, saints, carnival, idols etc..
all pagan

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Didn't mehmed the conqueror proclaim himself emperor too?
I guess it didn't stick, I know we bought it from a paleologo after the conquest.
t. Spain

why do turks wanna be westerners so much?

Modern Turkish Republic is based on revolutionary France.
Secularism, nationalism, complete centralism...

The city existed, and the Trojan war most likely happened.
But it was nothing like Homer describes it, because Homer is a storyteller. His works of fiction are as much historical sources as the Lord of the Rings is for medieval Britain.

because we do not want to become easterners

yea every other sultan also called himself emperor of rome.
It worked within the empire but outside of it noone really cared as the title was much too used by
>holy
>roman
>empire
and a bunch of northern slavman living in bumfuck nowhere started calling themselves romans
It was like a joke that went on for too long

What makes Rome, as I understand it, is the state.
Constantine moved the Roman capital to the east, so Rome lived on until 1204, when the Roman state was dissolved by the fourth crusade.
After that, everyone else is LARPers, unless all you have to do is conquer the capital of the heir of Rome to be Roman. In which case whoever conquers Ankara is the successor to Rome.

Didn't they find evidence of a war between mycenians and them?
Obviously I am not stupid enough to believe the illiad was real. But it probably has some historical basis, which then got embellished.

Rome was not Western, my amigo.

Rome was Mediterranean, and it's disgusting how some pigskins to the far north claim the sole legacy of a med empire.

When the Byzantine Empire fell, everyone wanted to be the "heir of Rome"
> >H >R >E
>Ottoman Empire
>Russia = Third Rome (which makes kind of sense)

Holy roman empire was culturally more roman than the ottoman caliphate

rome is a solely mediterranean empire, if anything the russians calling themselves roman were the dumbest of them all

what's your ethnicity

I tend to interpret that HRE tried to a successor state to the Western part of Rome while Russia wanted to be the successor state of the Greek Rome as they both shared the same religion and cyrilic comes from Greek text.
The Ottoman Empire tried to become Rome by simply conquering everything bordering the mediterranean.

the chad method

>Armenia having Trabzon, but not Van
lmao

and arabs were barbarians that spoke barbarian language
not roman/med/italian whatever the hell you want to larp as
as a matter of fact, all you did was wage war on each other

The HRE claim has more legitmacy than it might seem since it was created by the pope, which holds the title of Pontifex Maximus which also came from Rome.
Still, better turks than them. Rome has to be in the mediterranean.

It's us since the REYES CATOLICOS bought the title from Andres Paleologo and then Carlos V (emperor of eastern rome by right) bought the title of the HRE.
SPAIN IS ROME.

>all you did was wage war on each other
And that's where you got it wrong
You have examples like the arista dynasty of navarra being related by blood to the muslims banu qasi in southern navarra and aragon.
Also the Cid was employed by the muslim king of Zaragoza.

Conquering x doesnt make you x, its actually the opposite, conquered peoples are absorved by the conqueros.

thats a very european empire way of thinking, ottomans governed their states much the same way as romans.
Kingdoms werent annexed directly and assimilated, they were allowed to rule aslong as they provided konstantiniyye with tax and slave's
Assimilation wasnt a thing the turks did, hence why you still have nations like bulgaria and greece after hundreds of years of occupation even though they lived right next door to the imperial capital and any other kind of empire would have either forcefully relocated them or genocided them

Yeah Troy is mentioned by the Hittites.

Yet even the ottoman called them roman, Rome is a political idea not an ethnicity

What do you think of Erdogan saying Istanbul should be renamed Islambol?
Whether or not he's joking, it's interesting he cares so much about a tweet.

>catholicism
>roman religion
lol

Cry more waspie
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pontifex_maximus

moscow is widely accepted as the third rome.

fuck your stupid thread

The Trojan war was so real that people STILL think Troy never existed. That's how btfo'd they were.

By whom exactly?

the real third rome is Gaziantep

Not when the conquerors are steppe nomads who already have a history of absorbing the culture of whatever sedentary peoples they conquer.

It's just another atheist delusion. They think that ancient places don't exist

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BASED

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What about when Byzantine people returned to power, they don't count?

Kinda weird bringing atheism into this

Of course it's always an American that crys about muh constantinople and never and actual greek

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Based as fuck. Why did Napoleon ever attack you guys? We're brothers.

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Not really they infamously argued that the Hittites were a "biblical fantasy"

Thankfully the good guys stopped this unholy alliance.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Pavia
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Lepanto

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