Brexiteers BTFO

Brexiteers BTFO

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Can someone give me a quick rundown of what's currently happening?

What happened

If it weren't for his bias, he'd be the perfect speaker. Makes all our speakers look like soggy cardboard

OOOORDEEEEEEERRRRR

OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOODAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH

At least you even know who your speaker is. I honestly can't recall a single one of ours since John Allen Fraser, and that guy retired in 1994.

he is not allowing a third "meaningful vote" unless the motion is substantially different in some way

essentially theresa may can't put her deal back in front of parliament for a third time unless substantal changes are made to it

DIVISION

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What do you think of the future of the deal user? Do you think Brexit is still possible?

Cancerous millenials are going to finally realize what non-democratic authoritarianism is

Brexit will never happen.
Everyone is stalling in the hope popular demand becomes to remain.

t. 3 had presidents who lost the democratic vote

I'd say either a second referendum or a no deal is looking pretty likely at this point

May's deal probably still won't make it through parliament even if it's voted on a third time

CLEAUH THE LOBBAY

What will happen now? Will my handsome Brits stay part of the EU? :3

Not really. He's BTFO the EU more than anyone, though I doubt it was his intention. They're pretty pissed off with him since now their "final offer" can't be put to parliament anymore and they've got no choice but to change it ("substantially") if they want to avoid No Deal.

Lindsay Hoyle is better.

Reckon a general election is far more likely than a second referendum.

But that deal is crap.

>brexit new deal has to give more concessions to the EU
>if they don't approve the deal they get cucked harder by no deal brexit
Why didn't brits take the first deal?
You are in a worse position each day it passes, while the EU only gets stronger. No deal fucks you up more than it fucks us up.
t. Spain

Opposition wants general election/second referendum

>t. Spain

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It was at least A deal, and the EU has repeatedly assured us that it was the only deal. And now it can't be voted on anymore (at least in this parliamentary session).

The only two realistic ways forward are:
- (Brexit delayed) EU changes their mind about this deal being final and agrees to negotiate some much-needed (significant) changes to it.
- start a new parliamentary session (doesn't strictly require a general election, provided the queen is feeling cooperative, but there would be a lot of pressure for there to be one)

>but what about no deal
The establishment will NEVER let this happen. The majority of the press and politicians would like nothing better than to see Brexit cancelled.

>but what about a second referendum
This is an absolute last resort. Conservatives will not do this unless there is literally no other option because they know they will be decimated at the next GE if they do. Pic related.

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>Why didn't brits take the first deal?
The biggest stumbling block was (and is) the Irish "backstop" (essentially a "Plan B" in the case that a trade deal cannot be agreed between the EU and the UK by the end of the transition period). If activated (which, given the shitshow these negotiations have been, doesn't seem far-fetched), it is impossible for us to leave it unilaterally, so we could remain trapped in it on a very long-term or even permanent basis, completely at the EU's mercy.

>they will be decimated at the next GE if they do

won't they lose more seats if there WAS a Brexit, especially if it’s a no deal?
I mean, if there was a second referendum, it’s likely REMAIN would win, right?
an overturn would mean a majority of the people sought that referendum
If there was a Brexit, wouldn’t more people support Labour which was strictly against Brexit?
compared to the scenario that a second referendum takes place, Britain remains in the EU, and there would be no more talk about Brexit
aside from the Brexit issue, don’t Conservatives have more support than the Labour?

So delay until new EU parliament then make a new UK parliament.

Isn't this illegal?
Also, didn't the parliament vote that this wasn't going to happen?

Ignore flag

Isn't a hard border with Ireland considered worse than this?

>won't they lose more seats if there WAS a Brexit, especially if it’s a no deal?
No since that's what their voters want and are prepared for. They would be happy if there was no deal, even if it meant some short-term suffering.

>I mean, if there was a second referendum, it’s likely REMAIN would win, right?
It's unclear from the polls and last time the polls were very wrong, so...

>an overturn would mean a majority of the people sought that referendum
If Remain won, it would be only by a very slim margin, and the Leave side in that case would feel totally cheated. There would be an absolute shitstorm if this were to happen.

>compared to the scenario that a second referendum takes place, Britain remains in the EU, and there would be no more talk about Brexit
There would be lots of talk. Brexit supporters would feel like their victory was stolen from them, and the political divide over the issue would grow even deeper.

>aside from the Brexit issue, don’t Conservatives have more support than the Labour?
Polls are about even right now. With a good leader, the Conservatives would mop the floor with Comrade Corbyn, but Theresa May is not a good leader.

Also, another big problem with a second referendum I didn't mention before is that the Scottish nationalists would use this as justification that they should get a second independence referendum. It also calls into question the whole point of having referendums in the first place - why bother if you're just going to keep re-running them until the establishment gets the answer it wanted?

thanks for the elucidation

what do you think the ratio of British citizens are now for

A. we should leave EU deal or no deal
B. if it’s a no deal we should remain, we might be able to get a better deal but the one we have already is pretty much enough, let’s leave
C. the deal we have now is not enough, but if we can’t get a good enough deal or it’s going to be a no deal, we’d rather remain
D. we should remain no matter what

It's hard for me to say, but...

>A. we should leave EU deal or no deal
Quit a lot of Leave voters are leaning towards this now, for various reasons. Some are fed up with how long the negotiations are taking and just want out ASAP. Others think the EU is trying to screw us over with a bad deal and would rather us just leave without one and at least get a clean break in doing so.

>B. if it’s a no deal we should remain, we might be able to get a better deal but the one we have already is pretty much enough, let’s leave
I think a lot of people would be willing to accept May's deal at this point just to get it over with. My feeling is that the majority of people who supported Remain in the referendum accept that they lost and believe the Leave result should be honoured, so those people are likely to support this.

Not really sure about C&D. I'm too biased to make reasonable assumptions about those.

>tf
>tp

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But Labor is a complete shitshow and Corbyn only caved on the second referendum issue because he would have been ousted otherwise. Elections will produce the same result

just leave already

I unironically used to watch pmqs on youtube...
Damn I miss Big Dave...

kek

based bercow, ourrest of guys

The dumbest thing about him blocking the deal is that lots of MPs were waiting for it to come back for a third time before they'd vote for it - as that way they could say "I don't like it but it's better than nothing".

Now Bercow has torpedoed the only deal we'll get in favour of literally nobody fuckng knows.

It's mostly UK's problem though, they're the ones who would benefit the most from a deal

Can't they just scrap this brexit shitshow and forget that it ever happened? It's obvious that the EU will be the biggest winner anyway and that Nigel Farage is an opportunistic cunt who ran away

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>everyone is a shut in neet like me who doesn't care about the consequences of no deal
The public doesn't want to lose their jobs and suffer

Nor be cucked to American food standards LMAO

Don't entertain the delusion that you'll be anything but an American vassal

This, I am surprised how Bercow didn't foresee this.
Now you lads are getting a worse deal or no deal.

>direct democracy is the only real mind of democracy out there
Then I guess democracy in general is just a sham every where right? After all Macron only got like 20% of the vote in France whole Hitler got 99% of the vote in Germany so....

There is no better deal if you exit such a beneficial trade union based on ww2 sentiments

>Hitler got 99% of the vote in Germany
What?

i hope brexit fails
not because i'm pro eu but because i'd rather have some skeptic brits there to hold back the macron and merkel duo

Honestly baffled me, I thought Bercow was smart. Now he has destroyed Britain's only chance to get a favorable deal.

lmao boi
there are no brakes in the train of european federalization
get in

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Sorry m8, you're at their mercy now.

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that was the worst possible thing that could have happened. UK is 100% fucked now because of one dumbass. it's almost unbelievable how idiotic that was.

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the UK is one of the largest European economies
the EU loses a lot by letting Britain go, but they don't care, because they are self-destructive spiteful idiots

What happened to the no deal meme? Thought that was the best for Britain?

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It isn't and only a handful of fringe nutters believe it's the right thing.

Stalin got 140% in Russia
What’s the point of constantly downvoting the same deal over and over? Something needs to happen

>EU are self-destructive spiteful idiots
>leave one of the most beneficial trade unions in history because muh ww2 and their own immigration policies

Bercow should honestly be hanged

Of course it’s a third world shithole saying this, no more gibs

Really? Labour is a shitshow?
The incompetence of the Tories have brought the British parliamentary system to the brink of total collapse.
What does Labour have to compare? "Muh anti-semitism"?

Quick question
Given a hypothetic no deal brexit, what would be the overall loss in revenue (companies ceasing their opperations in the uk not withstanding)? Has any governmental comission crunched the numbers?

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These are UK top partners for 2018

United States: US$64.4 billion (13.3% of total UK exports)
Germany: $47 billion (9.7%)
Netherlands: $33.3 billion (6.9%)
France: $31.8 billion (6.6%)
Ireland: $28.3 billion (5.9%)
China: $27.5 billion (5.7%)
Switzerland: $25.4 billion (5.2%)
Belgium: $19.1 billion (4%)
Italy: $14.1 billion (2.9%)
Spain: $13.9 billion (2.9%)
Hong Kong: $10.3 billion (2.1%)
United Arab Emirates: $10 billion (2.1%)
Turkey: $9.5 billion (2%)
Japan: $8.3 billion (1.7%)
South Korea: $7.8 billion (1.6%)

Without a deal, additional taxes would be added for #2,3,4,5,8,9,10 countries. For us UK is a big market, but we keep trading with all the other in EU without changing our internal deals. This is why the UK can't have a no deal

>the people voted leave and we have to respect that, second referendum is off the table
t. May
>here's the same Brexit deal on the table for the third time, please vote yes
t. Also May

The point is that britain is not going to be able to negotiate a new deal in 10 days. And since the clock is running against them the deal is going to be worse than before for them, if they even get one.
Did Stalin ever run for elections? I thought he just was the general secretary and cucked the country from that position.
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t. Spain

Don't worry about the gibs Muhammad, worry about the isolation

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oh, it's fine then, if they are hurt too, that's what counts
fuck whypipo, amirite?

Bae systems won’t be hurting.

I don't understand what you're trying to say. What I said is factual

Why shouldn't they? Also, why should they vote for something they are leaving? 29th edges near, it's their decision to make, the rest of Europe can just sit back and watch

it's no deal, then. there isn't enough time to do anything else.

Everyone wants to give the brits a trade deal, but obviously the EU is in a position of force and can demand more than the UK can.
UK rejected a favorable deal twice.
The EU said it was final.
Why would the EU renegotiate a worse trade deal for them when the clock is ticking in its favour?

>Why would the EU renegotiate a worse trade deal for them when the clock is ticking in its favour?
it's not favourable for either side to have tariffs, EU will do everything in it's power to prevent a no deal brexit

I wonder how many flights are being booked to Canada and Australia right now from the UK

The EU has given the brits more than they deserved, british need the deal more than europe needs it. Not the EU's fault british don't want it.

Wrong, the EU has plenty of trade deals with Canada, Australia, Japan and etc. The only one who is going to suffer from a no deal are the brits

No more than usual. Stop being hysterical.

>Not the EU's fault british don't want it.

Lots of people want it. However a combination of hard brexit and remain MPs have stopped it from happening.

EU is also going to suffer, every country in it has UK as a trade partner and that money flow will be less privileged now because of taxes. Obviously we will not suffer as the UK, which has like 40% of its trade fucked over import export taxes and businesses leaving because they want to stay in the common market

Okay, I'll rephrase it.
It's not the EU's fault that the british parliament has rejected it. Twice.

Yes, but the hole left will be filled in no time, so compared to the needless seppuku the brits are about to commit the EU will be just fine

No, but the EU certainly hasn't helped the process. They knew full well it would have to pass through parliament, but still say "it was the deal we agreed" as if the PM has ultimate power to do whatever she wants.

Also they've undermined the PM constantly despite her being the one trying to get their deal through. It's daft.

And why on earth would they help you, you don't deserve it

The EU is offering the deal almost out of pity.
I guess they didn't expect the british parliament to by composed by retards.

your whole country is an isolated third world field

>isolated
>gibs
Pick one fucked up field teeth

>Yeah here's a deal we want you to get through
>But don't expect us to support you in getting it through in any way

You don't see how this is a strange approach?

Probably have to airdrop food in before the gypsies (95% of your population, other 5% are turks) nicks it

Ignore the posts by the burglarian plebbitor.

That's because it's up to you to get it through, since it's your desire to get one. Quite simple

>actually if you really think about it the EU is at fault here!