I'm a Southeast Asian (Siamese) and I'm a practicing Hindu

fuck off, SEA is the new site of the Nusantaran caliphate

How come you're Hindu?

You theoretically could, but just don't do it to muslims.

Most just register as Buddhist (so am I)

But many are devotees of Hindu gods like Shiva

It's very hard to estimate the numbers because of the syncretic nature of eastern religions. Most Thais will worship at Buddhist temple, animist shrine, or Hindu temple without flinching an eye

But most legit Hindus are in Bangkok.

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My ancestors were Hindu. Although I don't like the word "Hindu" very much

I just consider myself a Shiva devotee

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>Shiva devotee
Wait, how is being a worshipper of shiva different than “Conventional” Hinduism

Based Shivate

Hinduism is just an umbrella term for Indian pantheons.

The word "Hindu" was interchangable to India.

These are very vague colonial era terms since Siam and Burma was also considered part of "India".

It's like saying "Indianism". The modern nation of India was carved out of Hindu areas hence the modern association.

Things THAT bad over than huh ?
Also there are still many Hindus in srilanka ,Burma , singapore and Malaysia
But they all didn't COMPLETELY convert
Hoe did y'all got converted completely ?

*How

Eh, whats the largest sect of hinduism?

Islam is more enticing to the local kings

Here in india depends on the region
Most Dravidian States such as Karnataka And Tamil Nadu
Are shivates but they do worship Proto-Hinduistic and Non-Vedic Gods

Different regions have different gods which are Exclusively worshipped

Most Kali Worshippers are Bengalis

Vaishnavism (Visnu worship)

Javanese were Shaivites before Islam arrived.

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>Shiva
Based
Fuck Krishna and fuck normies.
One waifu one laifu.

How would you compare wisnu and shiva? What makes them superior or weaker to one another? Accoriding to their sects I mean.

>Hurr hurr, only filthy moslems dont like being converted.

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Fuck off buddhism and hinduism was never widespread here. We were animist with our object worship and stuff.

Well , back in the old day's it used to be a big deal for centuries before islamization of north india
Shivates and vaishanvites fought each other endlessly

These day's it's not THAT of a big Deal

Hinduism (and by extension Buddhism) is animist though.

That would be because you guys now had a common enemy no? The moslems?

Has this always been this way? Or was there a recent re-introduction?

I thought Hinduism was gone there

Siva purana and Visnu purana have stories explaining how Vishnu is just a manifestation of Shiva or vice versa

It ultimately is your preference. Shiva is the ascetic wild man in deep meditation. Not bound by worldy things. He is nothingness. Vishnu is the prototypical king-god type.

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The enemy of my enemy is my friend :^D

I dont think it happened in north India, I only hear about this stuff in the south.
Yeah muslims fucked up India and its culture big time

Darmic religions incorporated local religions.

Abrahamic religions ultimately destroy it.

>I thought Hinduism was gone there

It was never gone. I fell out of popular practice but Southeast Asian brahmins (Hindu priests) kept the tradition alive.

I think even Muslim kings in Malaysia had Hindu Brahmins at the court

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So besides the priest no one else practiced it? Also, how did Hinduism got there?

I thought you couldn't really convert to Hinduism

>Also, how did Hinduism got there?
Trade, like all modern SEA religions got here because of them.

Yes , even after north fell to Islam
Neither Bengalis in East nor south indians were too eager to help them because of their past relations

South kinda remained Shivate and Hindu mostly because try didn't invaded by neither northerner hindu Vaishnavites nor Islamic invaders

However they did accept hindu refugees from north this would later lead them to build few Vaishanavite temple's even in South

And since South is a dravidian ethnostate
They didn't have much problems within
But even South was ALWAYS fighting with each other
Cholas , cheran and pandiyan kingdoms fought each other for centuries too
Within and outside india too
For example when pandyas usurped cholas they pretty much burned down anything related to cholas
Including fort's and temples in Srilanka and sri vijaya (which is in modern day SEA region )

This also led them to have their own identity and follow their own customs
>en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tamil_mythology

For example
Ravanan from Ramayana is seen as a villain by other hindus but not shivates

You have to get out of your mindset that Hindu=India

Hinduism was practiced in Southeast Asia almost as early as South India

It spread from Aryavarta > Dravida > Java >Cambodia

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>Ravanan from Ramayana is seen as a villain by other hindus but not shivates
BASED
My teacher told me the exact same thing.

Southeast Asian places are also mentioned in Hindu texts

It's part of historic "India"

Srilanka was hindu though BEFORE they converted to Buddhism
It was occupied by Tamils atleast for 1000 year's
So was pretty much Hindu until ashoka sent missionaries to convert them to Buddhism

Yeah the map is retarded

"Hindu heartland" should be all South and Southeast Asia

>Hinduism was practiced in Southeast Asia almost as early as South India
How's that possible

Because certain south kingdoms spread Hinduism in SEA

Southerners were to first "indians" to establish stage colonies outside India
They were Also good sea farers they traveled to places like Axum in West and sri vijaya and even Philippines at point in the east

Its not only South East Asia though, Indian missionaries and Chinese travellers also exported a lot of Hindu elements in East Asia.
The word 'Hindu' didnt even exist back then, Buddha was one in a long line of philosphical gurus, which became popular because of state backing by one of the most powerful kings in the history of the subcontinent, who sent missionaries all over the world. Hinduism is basically an umbrella term for all the folk religions, philosophical works, culture and tradition that birthed from here, so it isnt wrong to say Buddhism is a part Hinduism and contains a lot of Hindu elements, if defined by western logic.

nice incentives

>Actually believing the colony myth

There were no Dravidian colonies. Local kings had Brahmin advisers that helped spread Hinduism through the devaraja cult

Why did they use Brahmin advisers?

>Hurr durr no colonies
It wasn't "muh Bharmins and shiiiet " who raided Sri vijaya or Siam because they were too much of a pussy to do it
First indians who made contact with South East Asians were from the South

Just admit it ALREADY

It was considered a Taboo to cross the seas in north india
They didn't even reach Amman and nick Nicobar
Most Navigators and explorers of indian sub-continent were from South

>who raided Sri vijaya or Siam
I have never heard of this

The closest thing is Funan was invaded by Java

>en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chola_Navy
>en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/South-East_Asia_campaign_of_Rajendra_Chola_I

It seems like it was naval raids. Not colonies as Tamil nationalists claim.

But it's cool. I didn't know Suryavarman I of Angkor requested the assistance of Rajaraja Chola to attack the Malays

Thus Culas = slick derived from chola entered malay vocabulary
those reddit spacing wont hide you being a larper

you never establish stage colonies, we only took aryan Brahmins thats why sanskrit influenced javanese kawi language

He would later regret it though
He should have learnt from his Past interactions with Other South Indian kingdoms

Cheras , pandyas and pallavas hated cholas for a very good reasons
Cholas had only one goal to expand their territories at all costs
Here in mainland land india they didn't even follow any convectional code of conduct during wafare
Poisoned Water bodies to weaken garrisons , never took prisoner of war

Even Tamil Nationalists would agree that they were savage and hell bent on destruction

Anyways cholas would soon betray him too and raid , plunder and loot him too
They were to only non muslim indian kingdom to enslave people

Tamil raided Srivijaya over jealousy of their wealth despite having trusty relationship, they rampaged in Sumatra, being pirate niggas disturbing trade flow in Malacca strait, Until Singhasari of Java said enough of this nignog shit and sent Pamalayu expedition

Trading posts and forward operations bases were established in south east Asia
Even chinese scholars acknowledged that because chinese once sent an expedition towards india
It was intercepted by "vadal padai" working with the tamil merchants guild based around Kedah it was mentioned by Zhao Rukuo chinese geographer at that time
Whether they had territories is up for debate
But they had their own armed forces protecting their trading posts and merchants guild from "pirates and external aggressors "

>Tamil
Not EXACTLY
Both Cholas and Pandyas were Tamils
But cholas went on a rampage within and outside Indian raiding Buddhist Temples and plundering anything they could find
Pandyas were to old Tamil kingdom which Cholas rebelled and broke off from

Pandyas would later help Cheras and natives of Sri Lanka to over throw Cholas

Vikrma pandiyan would late r organize one of the largest naval fleets in south asia to hunt down and kill Kulothunga cholan III who was leading a naval expedition at that time

The fleet consisted of Pandyas , Cheras , sri lankans and even a few Pallava and Kalingan ships
It was one of the largest naval Battle in the history of indian Marine history
It was fought near the straits of Andaman and Nicobar
It put an end to centuries of cholan Navy supremacy in the region

Thats merchants which had no political connections with Indian kingdoms, Srivijaya navy aint weak during its height, heck They mounted amphibious operation invading east Africa in 945-946 according to The 10th century Arab account Ajayeb al-Hind (Marvels of India)

The fights were mostly an exaggerations.. when they called fights, it mostly meant verbal debates and stuff.

Stop reading Marxists historians too much.

This is why we have malagasys right?

i stand corrected, Its Tamil Chola

That's thousands of years before that

different story, colonization of Madagascar by Austronesian is a lot older than that

>The 10th century Arab account Ajayeb al-Hind (Marvels of India) gives an account of invasion in Africa, probably by Malay people of Srivijaya, in 945-946 CE. They arrived in the coast of Tanganyika and Mozambique with 1000 boats and attempted to take the citadel of Qanbaloh, though eventually failed. The reason of the attack is because that place had goods suitable for their country and for their trade with China, such as ivory, tortoise shells, panther skins, and ambergris, and also because they wanted black slaves from Bantu people (called Zeng or Zenj by Malay, Jenggi by Javanese) who were strong and make good slaves.

Wow, how did we even get there? I mean Indians, Arabs and Chinese I get but how did we jungle monkeys get all the way their, a thousand years before them?

Sure but we never worshipped your deities, we'd have our own. I for one would support bringing back object worship for shits and gigs then again it never really went away since most of our superstition here still has those beliefs.

rafts

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I am an Indian Hindu and I think we can start by butchering muslims and christians. You guys should learn from your cousins in Myanmar,

It's fascinating that neither Indians nor chinese or south east adriana ever thought About establishing a base in Andaman and Nicobar island's
It was right in the middle of everything yet none settled there , There weren't even any tarde posts there
Occasional a trader or so would replenish their supplies but no one even thought about establishing a base there
It could have been a Hub for trade and commerce insouth asia

Here you go my non-believer fren.

>Straight from wiki:

Another gold artifact, from the Tabon Caves in the island of Palawan, is an image of Garuda, the bird who is the mount of Vishnu. The discovery of sophisticated Hindu imagery and gold artifacts in Tabon Caves has been linked to those found from Oc Eo, in the Mekong Delta in Southern Vietnam. These archaeological evidence suggests an active trade of many specialized goods and gold between India and Philippines and coastal regions of Vietnam and China. Golden jewelry found so far include rings, some surmounted by images of Nandi – the sacred bull, linked chains, inscribed gold sheets, gold plaques decorated with repoussé images of Hindu deities

* South East Asians

No, since most of the important kingdoms originated in Bihar/North (Gupta, Muarya). Our monks were already nomads and were travelling in SE asia.

We are Sea monkey, jumping island to island is in our blood, Antananarivo (Capital city of Madagascar) = Tanah nan seribu

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>Austronesian
>Australia not included
??????

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Nope, There are many accounts

>The 3rd century book Strange Things of the South (南州異物志) by Wan Chen (萬震) describes ships capable of carrying 700 people together with more than 10,000 "斛" of cargo (250-1000 tons according to various interpretations). These ships came from K'un-lun, meaning "Southern country" or "Islands below the wind." The ships called K'un-lun po (or K'un-lun bo), could be more than 50 meters in length and had a freeboard of 4-7 meters.

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I was just joking. Though they probably used canoes like pic related, not big ships like the junker in your pic.

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nah its not, those big ship are for trade bringing goods and shiet, even though there are possibility that eastern africa got their naval technology from austronesian.
Northern Australia is shithole not good for planting rice and other staple, if they keep going south it would be different story

All this shit and not even mention local folks tradition and beliefs that existed before Dharmic Islamic and Christian coming to Sea regions

>t.no clue
Shaivite Kings razed Vishnu temples, killed off priests and people and built shiva temples in their place. It wasn't just "debates".

And like said, the Chozhas were hell bent on expanding their territories, they strengthened their naval conquests, engaged in literal cheating to win tactics, which is pretty fair in war desu.

The Pandyas were the oldest, thy are the "Chettinaad" people. They were the merchant kings, Chozhas are a sect of warrior people that broke off from the Pandya dynasty , and started their own kingdom that was focused on conquests.

The Cheras are Mallus, Keralites who allied with the Pandyas, who later fizzled out during the Mughal era. The Mughals raided the Madurai Meenakshi temple, and the ruling Pandya King bartered the temple idol for all the treasure in the court.

When the Chera King at that time came to know of this, he marched down from the hills, kicked the Mughals out, threw the Pandya ruler into prison, put one of his cousins in place. The Mughals never really made any other significant conquests in Tamil Nadu or Kerala apart from the usual razing of some temples on the village side that travelers took shelter in.

>Dravidians can't be Brahmins

who the fuck comes up with these lies? pic related is a literal demon who belonged a caste of Brahmins. The Ramayana is literally a fight between a Brahmin who takes up the way of a Kshatriya. Rama's whole ordeal with Sita after he kills Ravana is an allegory of being cursed with killing a Brahmin.

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How do you practice Hinduism?

t.cholan
Also he didn't EXACTLY barter idol
It was during Pandiyan war of succession during which muslims invaded south
The king died and his "Royal " son and Bastard son were fighting a Civil War
In a war of succession
Sundara pandiyan wa s good States Man and an administrator but didn't know how to fight a war
Which is why he lost madurai to the muslims in the first place
Later his Half Brother agreed to exchange prisoners and a small token of wealth in exchange for sundara pandiyan who now in Mughal Hands
But before the exchange could happen he committed suicide due to shame of being captured
And later pandyas united now with their former enemies aka other south indian kingdoms such as cholas and pallavas and their old alles such as Cheras and Kandyian pandyas ( Sri Lankan pandyas )would later drive muslims off

The austronesians have a large naval tradition due to being located in islands