Was it really that BAD?
Was it really that BAD?
I'll never understand how it was supposedly worse than the great depression but somehow we haven't seen even one tenth of the social impact of it.
It essentially destroyed what was left of western civilisation, so yes I would argue that it was catastrophic.
It was just the realization of the "markets" (aka public) that all our money were funneled into elaborate financial scams and luxuries for the rich instead of real financial development.
Now much of europe and lots of the US is gradually but steadily becoming 2nd world.
>tfw you realize there are anons here too young to remember the financial crisis
Show score?
how old are you faggots? Three US banks went belly up and the FDIC had to step in to issue script to depositors. Pensions based upon ETFs inside those banks totally collapsed, and America's entire financial sector would have collapsed if the Fed hadn't stepped in to lump all the contagion into a single bank while TARPing/bailing out the rest.
It was massive, and the damage still hasn't been undone.
>Now much of europe and lots of the US is gradually but steadily becoming 2nd world.
That has little to do with it, considering that the problems were much larger and began in the 90s. The basis of the 2008 crash was the response to the 2000 dotcom bust (Bush's Homeowner Economy, which built upon financial deregulation spearheaded by Clinton).
And Millions of Americans moved to Bushvilles and Europe became fasicst. We didn't really get anything from it except the news and the media sperging about it.
Did the Obama administration respond correctly?
How do we make banks liable for their incompetence?
Should have let the banks die.
>And Millions of Americans moved to Bushvilles and Europe became fasicst.
Nobody used the term "bushville", because mass shanty towns didn't exist like they did in the 1920s (this is largely a consequence of Americans being able to afford cars nowadays). But we would have had that if, as in the 1920s, the entire banking system collapsed and took deposits with it. This is exactly why the government had to step in and manage things because the FDIC was already warning about having to issue over $100bn in script if banks really started failing.
>We didn't really get anything from it except the news and the media sperging about it.
Considering that it set the stage for the succeeding Eurozone debt crisis, it did. When America's economy slowed so did all of Europe's big economies, it was about the point when the PIGS realized they could not just issue more debt to keep growth up because the amount of buyers were slashed due to the world's largest economy entering a major recession.
China is at this point now too, since in response to our problems they too relaxed credit rules and issued phenonmal amounts of debt. They hit the limit on their ability to do that in about 2015, which is when all their current stock market trouble began.
Obama didn't respond, Bush did in the last minutes of his Presidency. The Troubled Asset Relief Program couldn't wait for the election, and Bush gave his signature to it a few days before it and most of the program's work was done between the election and Obama's inauguration. Obama moved into economic stimulus for that reason, because the immediate crisis was mostly over by the time his inauguration took place. This was when WaMu was absorbed by Chase.
Still the social impacts weren't that big.
>Muh China
It hasn;t been undone, because none of the causes were fixed, really, due to 5 second attention span of society. And right now we're taking a dive into another, most likely far more dire crisis.
Did you read my post? We barely got the social repercussions that the Great Depression had. No country faced hyperinflation, no country became Nazi. Even Greece and Spain didn't reach 30 % unemployment like Australia in 1932. The USA peaked, IIRC, at about 10 % unemployment around 2009, whereas in 1940 they were still at 15 %, down from the 25 % reached in 1933.
It took ten years after Black Thursday for World War 2 to begin in Europe (8 years if you count the Japanese invasion of China as the start of WW2). Twelve years into the current crisis and world war, although looming in the mid term, is not imminent either.
It was huge, WaMu in particular let their ATMs run dry and lines started forming when people couldn't access their funds remotely. This was when people started getting really worried that they couldn't get their money, so they started demanding all of it causing branches to run dry and close forcing remaining customers to their regional offices. This is exactly when a bank run started happening and the FDIC stepped in once the amount of deposits fell underneath the required amount for the loans they issued. Depositors were then mailed script, not cash.
Meanwhile, millions of Americans went into foreclosure and bankruptcy due to their mortgages being insolvent. This wrecked a lot of cities that couldn't adjust to the sudden rise in renters against homeowners, and led to a larger financial crisis within many places. This had a disastrous affect on consumer spending making a downward spiral as factories closed, in particular GM's (which led to Detroit's 2013 bankruptcy).
The social impact can't be understated, since these were the problems that Obama rightfully grilled Hilary on and is how he stole the nomination from her and how he got to be President. Even if you don't like Obama, his inability to give people the reform they wanted led to Trump. Two Presidents are directly attributable to the crisis.
Yep.
t. bordered on homelessness and other fun shit for a few years, as have many kids during that time
Gut them like the rats they are.
>inb4 commie
Because the world has changed quite a bit from those days and there wasn’t decades/centuries worth of buildup ready to blow up like there was in the case of WW1/2 for most places. The internet had a pretty big impact as well, and for the US at least the issue was less about how many people were unemployed and more about how the cost of living continually increased while getting paid less and less and losing all of the investments made over the years.
My point wasn't that it was bigger than the Great Depression, just that it was the biggest since.
And another thing, if you want to know how Trump became POTUS, just look at what happened in 2008. That’s how desperate some people were and are for genuine change.
>Gut them like the rats they are.
But that would wipe out their users too.
le "great" depression was a meme.
>oh muh gerd i cant find a job qq
>implying they weren’t already wiped out
Unemployment was a secondary concern in the GD. The GD itself began because banking was totally unregulated then, there was no FDIC or SEC. Therefore, banks could lend out all of their deposits without any problems and without informing their clients. When markets collapsed, it totally wiped out banks as the banks simply did not have any money. For depositors, they had no savings as it was all wrapped into loans and given to others. This ruined millions of people who suddenly had no money and no bank. It affected businesses too because any business that kept cash in a bank saw their savings hit zero too. Basically, nobody had any money and no way to obtain more money.
This is exactly why the FDIC was created, so this situation could not exist again. It's also why the SEC was created and why investment banks had to be separate from savings banks until the 1990s. It was this change that led to the crisis fifteen years later.
Well, this Great Recession produced Trump, but the Great Depression produced literally Hitler. I mean there is a qualitative difference.
And Trump will knock out the global economy by causing America to adopt an isolationist trade policy. China is already feeling the heat from this, the EU will be next especially as Trump moves to sanction Germany over Russian oil (something Obama refused to do, but which Trump must do because he is accused of being a Russian puppet). This will instigate another financial crisis, much larger than before.
At the very least the '08 crisis was a major sea change in how things were handled. Before 2006 nobody would have even considered tariffs seriously, now every country is adopting it in some way. In 2006 the idea of a migrant crisis seemed far fetched, now it's reality. In 2006 everyone trusted the banking system because it worked so well, now the EU has to tax deposits in a vain attempt to increase growth.
There's a clear delineation from 2008 which was the peak of the post cold war consensus.
>Trump will knock out the global economy
Too old to riot
The subsequent eurocrisis triggered by the 2008 event also destroyed any future for EU, not just tanking national economies and creating deep rifts between the members, but also making EU that much weaker as a whole which means it no longer has any hope to function as a counterweight to eurasian authoritarianism.
Literally nobody cares who sits on the white house
Most of the world seems to care. Imagine if Bush Sr got a second term or if Hilary was President in 2008. Things would be very different today.
I was unemployed so yes it sucked.