/dct/ - Daily Chinese Thread

Any thoughts on using Anki lads? Also has anyone developed a hanzi battle?

They do have a first-person pronoun that's only used by the Emperor, 朕. I know that from watching enough period dramas.

You go to Dekinai-chan and do 100% on her kanji test with simplified characters. No other way.

您 is still used in Taiwan to some extent. Actually, something I found interesting, if you look at the recent referenda dealing with gay marriage and other things, several of the referendum questions were written using 您 and several of the referendum questions were written using 你. Pretty odd.

This general won't pickup without a guide uploaded to neocities and linked in the op

>This general won't pickup without a guide uploaded to neocities and linked in the op
I really have no idea how to develop one lmao. I'm honestly only getting back into Chinese after several years not practicing. (tfw /asiangf2019/ seems to be working out so I'm motivated again)

there have been daily china threads before and they had a guide to learning chinese, but they're so few and far between it would take ages to find one in the archives

Any interest in Classical Chinese?
>大學之道,在明明德,在親民,在止於至善。知止而後有定,定而後能靜,靜而後能安,安而後能慮,慮而後能得。物有本末,事有終始,知所先後,則近道矣。古之欲明明德於天下者,先治其國;欲治其國者,先齊其家;欲齊其家者,先脩其身;欲脩其身者,先正其心;欲正其心者,先誠其意;欲誠其意者,先致其知,致知在格物。物格而後知至,知至而後意誠,意誠而後心正,心正而後身脩,身脩而後家齊,家齊而後國治,國治而後天下平。

朕朕

can't bu dong

自天子以至于庶人,壹是皆以修身为本。其本乱而末治者否矣,其所厚者薄,而其所薄者厚,未之有也!此谓知本,此谓知之至也。

所谓诚其意者,毋自欺也,如恶恶臭,如好好色,此之谓自谦,故君子必慎其独也!小人闲居为不善,无所不至,见君子而后厌然,掩其不善,而著其善。人之视己,如见其肺肝然,则何益矣!此谓诚于中,形于外,故君子必慎其独也。曾子曰:“十目所视,十手所指,其严乎!”富润屋,德润身,心广体胖,故君子必诚其意。

诗》云:“瞻彼淇澳,菉竹猗猗。有斐君子,如切如磋,如琢如磨。瑟兮僩兮,赫兮喧兮。有斐君子,终不可喧兮!”“如切如磋”者,道学也;“如琢如磨”者,自修也;“瑟兮僩兮”者,恂栗也;“赫兮喧兮”者,威仪也;“有斐君子,终不可喧兮”者,道盛德至善,民之不能忘也。《诗》云:“于戏前王不忘!”君子贤其贤而亲其亲,小人乐其乐而利其利,此以没世不忘也。

《康诰》曰:“克明德。”《太甲》曰:“顾諟天之明命。”《帝典》曰:“克明峻德。”皆自明也。

汤之盘铭曰:“茍日新,日日新,又日新。”《康诰》曰:“作新民。”《诗》曰:“周虽旧邦,其命惟新。”是故君子无所不用其极。

《诗》云:“邦畿千里,惟民所止。”《诗》云:“缗蛮黄鸟,止于丘隅。”子曰:“于止,知其所止,可以人而不如鸟乎?”《诗》云:“穆穆文王,于缉熙敬止!”为人君,止于仁;为人臣,止于敬;为人子,止于孝;为人父,止于慈;与国人交,止于信。

大學之道,
>The way (or "dao") of Great Learning
在明明德,
>Lies in making your bright virtue shine (in "ming"ing your "ming de")
在親民,
>In compassion for the people
在止於至善。

That's all the translation/interpretation I remember off the top of my head. Been many years.

子曰:“听讼,吾犹人也,必也使无讼乎!”无情者不得尽其辞,大畏民志。此谓知本。

所谓修身在正其心者:身有所忿懥,则不得其正;有所恐惧,则不得其正;有所好乐,则不得其正;有所忧患,则不得其正。心不在焉,视而不见,听而不闻,食而不知其味。此谓修身在正其心。

所谓齐其家在修其身者:人之其所亲爱而辟焉,之其所贱恶而辟焉,之其所畏敬而辟焉,之其所哀矜而辟焉,之其所敖惰而辟焉。故好而知其恶,恶而知其美者,天下鲜矣!故谚有之曰:“人莫知其子之恶,莫知其苗之硕。”此谓身不修不可以齐其家。

所谓治国必先齐其家者,其家不可教而能教人者,无之。故君子不出家而成教于国:孝者,所以事君也;弟者,所以事长也;慈者,所以使众也。《康诰》曰:“如保赤子”,心诚求之,虽不中不远矣。未有学养子而后嫁者也!一家仁,一国兴仁;一家让,一国兴让;一人贪戾,一国作乱。其机如此。此谓一言偾事,一人定国。尧、舜率天下以仁,而民从之;桀、纣率天下以暴,而民从之。其所令反其所好,而民不从。是故君子有诸己而后求诸人,无诸己而后非诸人。所藏乎身不恕,而能喻诸人者,未之有也。故治国在齐其家。《诗》云:“桃之夭夭,其叶蓁蓁;之子于归,宜其家人。”宜其家人,而后可以教国人。《诗》云:“宜兄宜弟。”宜兄宜弟,而后可以教国人。《诗》云:“其仪不忒,正是四国。”其为父子兄弟足法,而后民法之也。此谓治国在齐其家。

Dammit, forgot that last line
在止於至善。
>In stopping [improvement, growth, etc.] only upon attaining perfection.

Cantonese speakers learn Mandarin too right? So to get two birds with one stone you should just learn Mandarin unless you want to be particularly intimate/friendly with Cantonese diaspora?

所谓平天下在治其国者:上老老而民兴孝,上长长而民兴弟,上恤孤而民不倍,是以君子有洁矩之道也。所恶于上,毋以使下;所恶于下,毋以事上;所恶于前,毋以先后;所恶于后,毋以从前;所恶于右,毋以交于左;所恶于左,毋以交于右。此之谓洁矩之道。《诗》云:“乐只君子,民之父母。”民之所好好之,民之所恶恶之,此之谓民之父母。《诗》云:“节彼南山,维石岩岩。赫赫师尹,民具尔瞻。”有国者不可以不慎,辟则为天下戮矣。

《诗》云:“殷之未丧师,克配上帝。仪监于殷,峻命不易。”道得众则得国,失众则失国。是故君子先慎乎德。有德此有人,有人此有土,有土此有财,有财此有用。德者本也,财者末也,外本内末,争民施夺。是故财聚则民散,财散则民聚。是故言悖而出者,亦悖而入;货悖而入者,亦悖而出。《康诰》曰:“惟命不于常!”道善则得之,不善则失之矣。楚书曰:“楚国无以为宝,惟善以为宝。”舅犯曰:“亡人无以为宝,仁亲以为宝。”

《秦誓》曰:“若有一个臣,断断兮无他技,其心休休焉,其如有容焉。人之有技,若己有之;人之彦圣,其心好之,不啻若自其口出。实能容之,以能保我子孙黎民,尚亦有利哉!人之有技,媢嫉以恶之;人之彦圣,而违之俾不通。实不能容,以不能保我子孙黎民,亦曰殆哉!”唯仁人放流之,迸诸四夷,不与同中国,此谓唯仁人为能爱人,能恶人。见贤而不能举,举而不能先,命也;见不善而不能退,退而不能远,过也。好人之所恶,恶人之所好,是谓拂人之性,灾必逮夫身。是故君子有大道,必忠信以得之,骄泰以失之。

生财有大道。生之者众,食之者寡,为之者疾,用之者舒,则财恒足矣。仁者以财发身,不仁者以身发财。未有上好仁而下不好义者也,未有好义其事不终者也,未有府库财非其财者也。

孟献子曰:“畜马乘,不察于鸡豚;伐冰之家,不畜牛羊;百乘之家,不畜聚敛之臣。与其有聚敛之臣,宁有盗臣。”此谓国不以利为利,以义为利也。长国家而务财用者,必自小人矣。彼为善之,小人之使为国家,灾害并至。虽有善者,亦无如之何矣!此谓国不以利为利,以义为利也。

People on the mainland who grow up in Canto households absolutely learn Mandarin. In HK, I'm not as sure, but probably.

Canto-speakers born in North America, generally not. Especially not in San Francisco.

If you wanted to learn a Chinese language, I'd pick up Mandarin above all others. The quality of education available in Cantonese (if you can even find it in the US; I certainly couldn't in the mid-2000s) would be spotty at best.

你他妈的黑鬼这是我的冰淇淋

>Any interest in Classical Chinese?

It's brutally interesting that you can open up Sun Tzu's Art of War original and actually read the fucking thing knowing nothing but some basic kanji.
ctext.org/art-of-war/laying-plans?en=off

It's an interesting topic, but a language in on its own. Japanese have to learn it separately and so do the Chinese. Great topic, but one that should come after learning either of those languages first. I wouldn't trust English sources alone to properly teach that one.

basically this
i know one person who did a gcse or a-level in Cantonese and she said that her school was one of the only places that did it in the UK
It's probably only in rural guangdong, hong kong, and overseas where you find people who can speak Cantonese and not speak mandarin
I did a day trip to Guangzhou when I was living in Shenzhen and even though I heard far more Cantonese spoken in restaurants and shops than I did in Shenzhen, if I went somewhere and spoke Mandarin I don't think anyone cared, they were probably just happy that we could understand them

知止而后有定,
the point where rest being known object of persuit being determined
定而后能静
that being determined calmness can be obtained
静而后能安,
calmness being will succeed to tranquility
安而后能虑
tranquility succeed to careful deliberation
虑而后能得
after afterful deliberation is achieve desired end can be obtained
物有本末,事有终始,知所先后,则近道矣。
things have roots and branches, afraids have their beginning and end, know what is first and what is last will lead near to what is taught in the Great Learning

these are the other parts of the great learning, the prose is incomplete without them

My dad grew up in HK and speaks mandarin worse than me. It depends on the gwneration.

>afraids
affairs

>I wouldn't trust English sources alone to properly teach that one.
Yeah, the English translations out there are just bad. Like Legge's translation of 大學 is just trash. If you DO know Mandarin though, holy crap the quality of discussion on Baidu Baike is amazing.

For me though, it's Chinese poetry.
一箇胖雙郎
就了箇胖蘇娘
兩口兒便似熊模樣
成就了風流喘豫章
繡幃中一對兒鴛鴦象
交肚皮廝撞

I'll never forget that one.

Yikes this is not taking off lmao

i am here

>Japanese have an effective anti-piracy system in place
lmao

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The people are either pussies who think someone will catch them or high on morals/exclusivity.
Fact of the matter is, staying on top of the fan translation community involves speaking Chinese or Korean, because they always get the stuff on the internet first.

兄弟们对ChineseTextProject有何见解?有否学问信用?

是为何物?

or maybe only japan slightly cares about japanese property

一家古代文件网站,含有各种历史,文学,天文,哲学作品。一分有英语翻译,其余没有。
ctext.org/

何言如古文

俺不知,事前本人书官话。

youtu.be/ZQ8mn5fS5_M
我的黑人

动态网自由门 天安門 天安门 法輪功 李洪志 Free Tibet 六四天安門事件 The Tiananmen Square protests of 1989 天安門大屠殺 The Tiananmen Square Massacre 反右派鬥爭 The Anti-Rightist Struggle 大躍進政策 The Great Leap Forward 文化大革命 The Great Proletarian Cultural Revolution 人權 Human Rights 民運 Democratization 自由 Freedom 獨立 Independence 多黨制 Multi-party system 台灣 臺灣 Taiwan Formosa 中華民國 Republic of China 西藏 土伯特 唐古特 Tibet 達賴喇嘛 Dalai Lama 法輪功 Falun Dafa 新疆維吾爾自治區 The Xinjiang Uyghur Autonomous Region 諾貝爾和平獎 Nobel Peace Prize 劉暁波 Liu Xiaobo 民主 言論 思想 反共 反革命 抗議 運動 騷亂 暴亂 騷擾 擾亂 抗暴 平反 維權 示威游行 李洪志 法輪大法 大法弟子 強制斷種 強制堕胎 民族淨化 人體實驗 肅清 胡耀邦 趙紫陽 魏京生 王丹 還政於民 和平演變 激流中國 北京之春 大紀元時報 九評論共産黨 獨裁 專制 壓制 統一 監視 鎮壓 迫害 侵略 掠奪 破壞 拷問 屠殺 活摘器官 誘拐 買賣人口 遊進 走私 毒品 賣淫 春畫 賭博 六合彩 天安門 天安门 法輪功 李洪志 Winnie the Pooh 劉曉波动态网自由门

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>俺
粗鄙不堪

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don't learn chinese, learn korean

宅男的孟軻比好帅的荀夫子

草泥马

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一定要解放南韩

For me it’s 矮丑穷 vs. 高富帅

那更好的,多谢

Japan produces nice cartoons. China has a rich and interesting history. The fuck does Korea have? Kpop? If you enjoy it that much then go right ahead but most don't.

You shouldn't underestimate the massive popularity of Kpop. That shit unfortunately outshines the real treasures but plebs are plebs.

I know kpop is popular but I would bet most people in the US, or the west, are more likely to study Chinese or Japanese. But I could be wrong.

Korea has:
1. Better beef dishes
2. Based Juche
3. More real-life yanderes per capita than anywhere else in the region

Are you talking about Worst or Best Korea?

There is only one Korea really.

But honestly good luck finding beef dishes anywhere that there's Juche. (the bit about real-life yanderes is true though regardless of which Korea it is)

Chinese > Japanese
You heard it here first folks. Screenshot this post.

>the incel pedo japanese
>the muscular elite Chinese

Wiki Page / Mega Link:
4chanint.wikia.com/wiki/Mandarin_Chinese
writtenchinese.com/category/blog/

My Favorite Apps:
LINGODEER
DUOLINGO (Duolingo Group Code: 85B3R4)
MEMRISE
WRITTEN CHINESE DICTIONARY
play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.gigabud.wcc.dictionary
itunes.apple.com/us/app/chinese-dictionary-by-wcc/id868483589?mt=8&ign-mpt=uo=2
yes-chinese.com/tzg/

Chrome Extensions:
chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/zhongwen-chinese-english/kkmlkkjojmombglmlpbpapmhcaljjkde

Pronunciation:
resources.allsetlearning.com/chinese/pronunciation/
youtube.com/watch?v=9XbQJPF817I
youtube.com/watch?v=ThldFzLouK8&t=207s

Tones and Finals/Initials:
web.mit.edu/jinzhang/www/pinyin/tones/index.html
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pinyin#Initials

Radicals:
hsk.academy/en/learn/the-chinese-radicals
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kangxi_radical
memrise.com/course/59883/222-radicals/

Dictionaries & stroke orders:
dictionary.writtenchinese.com/
yellowbridge.com/chinese/dictionary.php
wordreference.com/enzh/

Grammar:
resources.allsetlearning.com/chinese/grammar/A1_grammar_points
writtenchinese.com/past-present-future-tenses-mandarin-chinese/

HSK1 vocabulary:
memrise.com/course/541/hsk-level-1-introductory-mandarin-with-audio/
hsk.academy/en/hsk_1

based

digmandarin.com/forum/thread/new-practical-chinese-reader-pdf

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blcup.com/smartcat/
Audio files for the graded readers, faster and slower paces and male/female

mychinesereading.com/chinese-reading-material-beginners/

confucius.emory.edu/hsk_and_resources/hsk/hsk_samples.html

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Tfw I have a discord for learning Chinese with resources but am scared of strangers

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大家好

你们为什么学了这个特别难听的话?越南语才比较好听。西班牙语才比较好听。你很久学习了;为什么?

应该用例如

Taiwan Ministry of Education dictionary:
dict.revised dot moe dot edu dot tw/cbdic/
(don't know why this triggers a spam filter but it's a legit government website)

Perhaps the single best free dictionary I've got. I've actually been wanting to source a print edition for over a decade (because I like to have the physical copies). The search supports ^ and $ (start of string and end of string) plus . and * wildcards, so searching for compounds containing a common character is trivial.

LOTS of 成語 with very good explanations.

Main downside is the pronunciation key that comes up in the search is fucking zhuyin fuhao (bopomofo if you're a retard) rather than pinyin. When you click on the specific entry it does show the pinyin though. Oh, and it's not Chinese-English, but whatever.

>特别难听
Fuck off, it's beautiful.

Haha I remember having to learn that distinction in class.

How about 要 vs 會/会?

That's because Taiwanese uses bopomofo and traditional, throw that fucking app out

>throwing out traditional
YIKES, I guess you don't read classical/literary chinese or poetry
>calling it bopomofo instead of 注音符號
yikes
YIKES
Y I K E S

I bet you say "ABCs" instead of "alphabet" as well.

start with pinyin and basic characters. you really need someone to assist you in listening to your pronunciation

我是第一年中文学生。这个文真肏难。我想学习的多但是这个暑假我要忘都我的中文。

看不懂

到底有什么目标? 暑假是暑假但只有努力才能发展

因为中国历史上瘾