Why do they pretend to hate USA but proceed to lick American ass every time Russia and China are making big moves?

>let me tell you about your...

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im right tho

Theyre tsundere

It's called a value proposition, Russia. The US has a lot to offer, while Russia is a gangster oil state with an economy the size of Sicily and China is an authoritarian hellhole

Hes not wrong though lol

No, you're not.

They lick anyone's ass who will give them money or protection. They're the biggest cuck continent on the planet.

That's why Germany still takes your gas pipelines despite sanctions

Theyre grade A ass kissing backstabbers like most politicians .

As it turns out, iPhones and porn are a much easier sell than Russian revanchism and Han dystopia

Used to look up to you leafs before coming here. You're just discount america at this point.

I am though

thetimes.co.uk/article/germany-s-neglected-soldiers-forced-to-use-broomstick-as-a-gun-glnqbndf6

So you're paying for their brooms? I swear you mutts are stupid beyond rational imagination. It's not even fun to laugh at you anymore, it's just become pitiful.

Ok? It doesnt change the fact that majority of NATO piggyback on the US for national defence then have the skin to critisize them lmao

so let's see, so far we have pissed off

- russians
- iranians
- arabs
- cunts in latin america
- the chinese
- continental europeans

we're running out of people to make our enemies

way to pivot the point dumb mongol

Doesn't piggyback on it. You're exaggregating your input and underestimating the local efforts, like everyone giving aid does. Everyone likes to talk about the good they give and ignore what they receive. It's from page one in the populist playbook.

A confederation doesn't hate or love anything, it's just keeping good relations with USA is more valuable than with Russia currently

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You're the one making the assumption. I only repeated it so you'd see how ridiculously arrogant you're coming across as.

I said germans are using brooms and you said they weren't and then i linked one article and you pivoted to saying we pay for brooms which doesn't mean anything in the convo. like i said, you pivoted dumb mongol.

nah EU leaders are still old enough to remember when they actually did look up to the US. transatlantism will die off the further away we get from the events in ww2. it's inevitable

it also has to do with our main bond, western culture, dying out as you become more latin and we more islamic

Yeah because without US intervention the germans surely wouldn't have anything but brooms and buckets to defend themselves with. How wickedly self-absorbed one can be.

I mean, they're using brooms rn tho.

Round of applause

Because all the non-shithole nations realized that America being top dog is the far superior option. They can bitch all they want, but its a universal fact

This is part of it. EU likes to gloat about its wonderful socialist programs (as they should). Meanwhile America gets a shit healthcare system since it foots almost the entire defense bill. Trump was right, we need better deals out of our allies

Without US intervention they'd actually spend money on their military instead of sucking farts out of their asses

You haven't proved anything lmao. You're literally wrong considering I provided an example to show that. Round of applause for thee arrogant finn that thinks he is smart as shit

yeah, talk about shooting yourselves in the foot

stop picking on the little guy, they're aware of their situation

>Trump was right, we need better deals out of our allies
True, I just don't trust Trump to do it.

you haven't proven anything either, germany isn't the EU

>germany isn't training with brooms
>they are he is an article
>you: "you haven't proven anything either"
are all euros fucking dumb or what? or do you want to argue semantics and hid behind the notion that I think germany is the only country in the EU? Obviously not.

It is brotherhood.

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sorry, is this thread about germany or the EU? and is your article about germany or the EU?

This is closer to something truthful.

How does the single instance reflect the state of the army? You're getting at nothing, theres nothing to gain or lose from your sensationalist tabloid headlines. Your implications are ridiculous. That's what I've been trying to get across and into your thick skull from my first reply but you're too self-absorbed to accept any new thoughts. Also, we're not part of your hellhole daycare anyways even though we've provided training for your troops. For all I care we've given infinitely more than we've gained from NATO.

woah you got me sven, you completely debunked my argument because i didn't talk about all of the EU. sorry, i brought up germany which is a part of the eu. plus a majority of the eu, last time i checked, didn't even meet the nato gdp military spending requirement. probably why you can afford all those fine social programs....

It is the objective truth you tree eating dork

This. Mutt sees a single instance happen somewhere and instantly thinks thats the case in every nation ever and in every situation. A soldier trips on untied shoelace and instantly every single soldier has to trip on their shoelaces because there's no way any other instance could exist but the one that the mutt is currently observing. Imagine being so simpleminded and one-dimensional. Sometimes I feel pity for them but then again it must be relieving to be uncapable of burdening your mind with thoughts and ideas.

they're weak, no army but they'll try to make one, it will be a disaster with no tradition and no spine that will get it's ass beat even by islamists with old soviet era beltfeeders and RPG7's

on a political level, as an american, it amazes and worries me a government formed in 1999 that could have taken every bad example from the US and done better is somehow MORE byzantine and opaque than we are, when we write a 10,000 page law they write a 25,000 page law and publish it in assembly so no human being can read it. I get the distinct impression Europe is being swindled, that the EU is somehow extremely "corporate" and not a real thing, that it's only intent is to flatten Europe and then the world into one culture, one currency, one race so that all marketing and rules are simple for them, so that everything is at their fingertips

Jow Forums would say "they" is jews, but I admit while I know they exist I don't know who "they" actually is - I don't see the body, just the massive shadow it casts

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The value of foreign bases isn't in whatever the local allied forces are, it's in the strategic value they provide which is virtually priceless, the obvious examples being the Landstuhl hospital in Germany or the airbase in the Chagos islands though there are many others. I will never understand how Americans don't see this, it's like shooting yourself in the foot.

>How does the single instance reflect the state of the army?
Why is it ok for euros to do this but we can't?
>it isn't the ENTIRE army....
Obviously not. Or is that the only way you can make your point succeed?
>That's what I've been trying to get across and into your thick skull from my first reply but you're too self-absorbed to accept any new thoughts.
You were responding to two posts that said we pay for your defense. Which is basically true whether you want it or no. I brought up germany training with brooms and you called me a liar (which in fact you are) and proceed to go on a complete side tangant to try to make your point across. Of course the entire army isn't using brooms you dumb fuck but the fact you had to use any at all is pretty funny.
>For all I care we've given infinitely more than we've gained from NATO.
fucking howling. euro arrogance at it again. does everything and never admits they don't do enough. embarrassing

>you completely debunked my argument because i didn't talk about all of the EU
if I used the stats of louisiana to represent all of the US, do you think anyone wouldn't mind? even worse is the EU doesn't even have a collective armed forces unlike the USA, so saying "the EU has a shit army because look at germany lol" is retarded
>i brought up germany which is a part of the eu. plus a majority of the eu, last time i checked
is english your second language? because that's not what a majority is. a majority of the EU is non-german

did you respond to the wrong post or what

Your silly implications are as far as you could possibly be on the spectum of anything you could call "the objective truth". Just because brooms were used in a pinch (implying that ever even happened) doesn't mean that it's the norm, not at that garrison, not in that nation and definitely not in all of europe. Not all of EU is even part of NATO you self-centered mutt.

>if I used the stats of louisiana to represent all of the US, do you think anyone wouldn't mind?
Considering most of the time on this board you guys take one instance of something and applying it to the whole US, I think it's pretty fair to do the same.
>"the EU has a shit army because look at germany lol" is retarded
I literally never said that.
>because that's not what a majority is. a majority of the EU is non-german
I know english isn't your first language, but those are two different clauses i.e, sentences.

We're not part of NATO you delusional mutt.

in all but name you are. shut up already

Fine ya got me finn. You completely obliterated my point because you're not in NATO. My mistake. Another victory for the smart ass finn

its possible to not like america while agreeing with their china and russia policies, dumbass.

I mean, he hasn't fucked anything up (yet)

But honestly, its impressive he got Kim to sit down for peace negotiations. He could probably make something happen with the EU. Its too bad its not on his plate, seeing how 2020 elections are coming up

Cause they are weak

I wonder why...

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tl;dr
Shut up faggot

Not at all, you're pushing the same NATO shirkers stories and I'm saying that you're completely missing the point, the German military doesn't matter.

I mean you mentioned bases but I wasn't talking about bases. Training is training which is good. My point was using brooms.

>Considering most of the time on this board you guys take one instance of something and applying it to the whole US, I think it's pretty fair to do the same.
did you really think >nou would ever be an argument here, or did you just shut off your brain?
>I literally never said that.
>Because we basically pay for their defense.
to which your example was germany
>I know english isn't your first language, but those are two different clauses i.e, sentences.
yes, and? the premise is still false. germany is a greater margin, not a majority
or perhaps majority means something else in american english? not the first time you would have cocked up

We aid you but receive nothing in change. We're not part of NATO. In fact, only a fifth of the finnish population would even be in favor of joining the NATO, according to the most recent poll (in October 2017), while half the nation disaggrees with it, the rest being undecided. There is no chance for Finland to join the NATO any time soon or in the years to come. Screw your hellhole daycare.

Good, you acknowledge your shortcomings.

Absolute state of mutts;
>let me tell you about your nation....
you're objectively wrong
>haha fingers in ears I cant hear you fuck youuuu
why do we even degrade ourselves by interacting with you.

finns betrayed germany and to this day they have no honour and friends, they only have their russian masters and their half-somali children
they are alone and they will die out alone soon

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>betrayed
fucking kek. into the ">let me tell you about your country..."-basket you go.

>did you really think >nou would ever be an argument here, or did you just shut off your brain?
What? You're entire argument is something that is minute being applied to a whole. Which is basically verbatim for my point exactly. What kind of dumb logic are you using?
>to which your example was germany
You mentioned a euro army, according to your own argument, there is no such thing. So who are you arguing against?
>yes, and?
They're TWO seperate sentances. If you followed the second sentence it explains teh majority of the EU doesn't pay for their defense (multiple countries not just germany).
>or perhaps majority means something else in american english? not the first time you would have cocked up
Nice snide comment dipshit.

>Good, you acknowledge your shortcomings.
>pic related

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We really dont.

you big boy now hans

We arent. It was a publicity stunt of the military to get more funding. It worked.

>You're entire argument is something that is minute being applied to a whole.
>You're
while
>look this article about german broomsticks
>applies to all of europe if we didnt help you out
gets countered with same logic
>oh no you can't do that youre stupid

I don't even need to ridicule you, you're doing it way better yourself than I ever could.

We dont piggyback. We contributed a lot during the cold war and would have been the frontline. The usa is just the only country to not disarm after the fall of the soviet union. The threat is gone, russia is a joke. Americans are just wasting money not protecting europe.

Because basically they occupy us.

FUCK OFF
ID RATHER DIE THAN BE """"""DEFENDED""""" BY YOU MUTTS.
Loosing the independence war was the greatest mistakes we Europeans ever made.

>What? You're entire argument is something that is minute being applied to a whole. Which is basically verbatim for my point exactly. What kind of dumb logic are you using?
yes, I'm the only one posting with a swedish, no a european flag. literally all me
>You mentioned a euro army, according to your own argument, there is no such thing. So who are you arguing against?
because your examples of "we pay for europe defense" appears to be grounded in "look we have guys in germany" as if that should satisfy it
>They're TWO seperate sentances. If you followed the second sentence it explains teh majority of the EU doesn't pay for their defense (multiple countries not just germany).
yes, and? germany is, by the definition of the word majority, not a majority

it seems to me you're halfway between treating the EU like a cunt(which it isn't) and a federation(which it also isn't, at least not yet)

I mean you're military funding has been increasing so yeah I guess.

Oopsie I made a error in my spelling.
>I don't even need to ridicule you, you're doing it way better yourself than I ever could.
Well considering you lied and got called out and proceded to get assblasted about it, shows you're incapable of having any arguments. I mean you're resorting to grammatical errors at this point soo?
>>applies to all of europe if we didnt help you out
I never said this lmao. You've been continuously retarded since the beginning of the thread and doubling down. Take the L already, pekka

Again we arent using brooms. It was a publicity stunt. Anyone should realize that.

I mean, I will say outright, I think you are being emotionally manipulated, into a position that is harmful to the US, anyone high up in the military will say the same, these are stories that are just meant to push your buttons because no one likes to feel as though they're being taken advantage of.

>they're weak, no army but they'll try to make one, it will be a disaster with no tradition and no spine that will get it's ass beat even by islamists with old soviet era beltfeeders and RPG7's
I hate every single one of you mutts, stop pretending that this WASN'T YOUR FUCKING PLAN.

>Jow Forums would say "they" is jews, but I admit while I know they exist I don't know who "they" actually is - I don't see the body, just the massive shadow it casts
Read Moldbug, he has the answer to that question.

>yes, I'm the only one posting with a swedish, no a european flag. literally all me
O....k? You're a part of the EU no? Just because it hasn't federalized yet doesn't mean you're devoid of any criticism like wut.
>because your examples of "we pay for europe defense" appears to be grounded in "look we have guys in germany" as if that should satisfy it
My examples were NATO spending a funny story about brooms being used in military exercises which indicates lack of funding. Or so it wouldn't seem since that other german cleared the true intentions.
>yes, and? germany is, by the definition of the word majority, not a majority
No shit, I never said it was. You still haven't gotten it. Germany and majority wasn't even in the same sentence lmao
>it seems to me you're halfway between treating the EU like a cunt(which it isn't) and a federation(which it also isn't, at least not yet)
I mean isn't that what it is? It's this fucking weird gray area where you can decide if you want to take arguments on behalf of all of the EU or you'r single country still.

>I think you are being emotionally manipulated
How so? I personally don't want us to keep funding NATO since the warsaw pact is basically kaput at this point.

>these are stories that are just meant to push your buttons because no one likes to feel as though they're being taken advantage of.
americans are naturally isolationist. trump is just feeding into that and bringing it into the open

we're all single countries still

>American arguments

You're giving us nothing. We're giving you something. That is "the objective truth". The fact you still claim europe would be defenceless without your help is just ridiculous, especially so considering that NATO and Europe only have partial overlap. It only proves how self-absorbed you are.

I already took the liberty of writing this down as another L for you mutts, with this pace I'm going to run out of pages in my notebook before dawn. Stop embarrassing yourself, Cletus.

Yeah I know. You're still a part of the EU, no? Didn't EU want an army at some point? Will the EU federalize at some point? Genuine questions.

EU and NATO only have partial overlap. Claiming that NATO is most of EUs defence is just retarded.

>You're giving us nothing. We're giving you something.
I'm pretty sure that isn't true. You've provided training in european environments and allowed US military bases. In turn you can spend practically nothing on military ventures. I never said you guys did nothing, just that you guys aren't paying the fair share according to NATO which the last time I checked was true at least for most countries. I think Greece, UK, and some other way hit the spending mark.
>The fact you still claim europe would be defenceless without your help is just ridiculous
I mean, if you don't pump up more into military spending ya you will be defenseless.
>It only proves how self-absorbed you are.
You keep using this word and I don't think you know what it actually means.
>I already took the liberty of writing this down as another L for you mutts
Lmao. Just admit you took the L for the broom conversation

Please enlighten me.
Well EU doesn't have an army last time I checked so something else has to take the mantle of defense.

We're not part of NATO. NATO has no bases in Finland. We also negotiate to keep NATO bases away from close proximity to Finland. The finnish people are also very much against joining NATO (~1/5th voted yes, ~1/2 voted no, rest undecided, polled October 2017). I don't know where you're getting your ideas from but they are simply untrue.

>You're still a part of the EU, no?
yes
>Didn't EU want an army at some point?
there have been talks but no one has yet to even propose anything like it
>Will the EU federalize at some point?
probably
>Well EU doesn't have an army last time I checked so something else has to take the mantle of defense.
because the EU isn't neither a cunt or a federation, it's a union
every cunt in the EU is responsible for their own defense budget

Every nation has their own defence force (or some other arrangement) and the nations cooperate with eachother as they see fit. Some have opted to cooperate with NATO, some have refused. Your claims of NATO being the defence of EU is just false.

I don't mean YOU specifically I mean it in a general sense. I'm talking about the EU in this thread which you're trying to defend so I included you in the topic.

>every cunt in the EU is responsible for their own defense budget
How is this not a problem? If one country decides to spend jackall on military, then it's up to others to fill the gap, no?

>Some have opted to cooperate with NATO, some have refused. Your claims of NATO being the defense of EU is just false.
I mean it's dependent innit. Which nations refused? Can you say a large portion of european nations are up to military spending on par with proper defense against let's say russia? I know UK, France, and Germany might be but what about the smaller nations?

meant for

he's a memeing retard. only five eu cunts aren't in nato, and one of them is malta. this is just another example of how fake news propaganda spreads. lies on top of lies

>Your claims of NATO being the defence of EU is just false.
gimme a fucking break

no, we do not have a collective defense. the premise that the EU is built on is to avoid war
and again; the EU is not a cunt nor a federation, it is a union. if one cunt decides to spend fuckall on their military, the whole world will laugh at them for being retards