A question specifically to non-westeners, that is non-europeans and non-anglos (specially arabs, slavs, asians and africans).
Do you see Latin America as western? When you observe our cultures, traditions and behaviors do you lump them with the western world or do you think we are something else?
I am curious because this discussion always seems to be had only from within, which is ironic since the definition of "West" ideally should be taken from what the "Eastern" counterpart thinks.
no
we're just westernIZED
shut the fuck up I am asking the easterns
>Spain has more in common with Estonia than with Mexico
you didn't exclude latinos from replying in your op but okay
I'm neither Eur*péan nor *Nglo
Unironically no, we see anything brown as non-western and good.
I see myself in the bottom left LOL
yes.
No, you are just south american. You are all just seen as brazilians to be honest cause it's the most known country in south america.
I think it's actually true
And no I don't consider you western although of course closer to the western world than to the Arab world for example
I've haven't been to Estonia, but I've been to Spain, Czech Republic and Poland, and culture is very different, latin america and spain definitely have a similar culture, but Spain and Estonia probably have a more similar standard of living (depends on which latam country and social class tho)
you are biased because you wanna be western and be seen as one, though
It's Impossible.
Croatia is borderline Western. Latinos are just Latinos.
The West is Protestants + French and German Catholics.
You should visit Spain and see it for yourself if you don't believe me tho, things are very different between Iberia and central-eastern europe, from the food, the architecture, the daily schedule, so many things are completely different.
Anyways I am asking because I am curious about what other perceptions are, that's enough to discard inmediate biases imo
Does it depend on what you say West, a member of the otam or ocde or a member of the marshal plane, or a pure descendant of European?
This
I met an American that though we were living in some kind of tropical jungle, and didn't expected freezing temperatures down here in southern Chile.
I'd say it's a spin off of western culture in a sense. Some countries like chile can be considered closer to average European stuff but Latin america has some marked differences for the most part that are too much to overlook.
t. el egiptiANO
shut the fuck up again, I am asking about eastern perceptions like here
thanks if you really are egyptian
I am Slavic.
>I am asking about eastern perceptions like here
You said Slavs, m8. Other South Slavs would agree, that Latinos are their own thing. And given how Eastern Europe and South America are on a similar level economically, and how many Latinos flirted with socialism, people might jokingly claim that Latinos are closer to Slavs than Westerners.
But you live in Norway which shapes your identity and perception of what western is and constitutes, same with the american here
No, I feel like Latin America is its own culture and has its own history thats separate from the west.
t. korean american
I only see Argentina, Chile and Uruguay as Westerner. The rest of you are Indians to me.
>non-europeans
>slavs
Poverty, wars of drug cartels, the slave trade, slums, festivals are all what I know about South America. And this is definitely not associated with Western kuckoldistans.
That's ok, thank you for your input Genghis
I meant more of the historically orthodox slavic countries but fair enough, to me Croatia is more western than not and its certainly catholic
you are NOT eastern, you are American and thus western, I am asking for the opinion of people involved wit their cultures
I don't want nothing to do with you (((westerners)))
The truth is that Brazil has received immigration from every continent, we are not bound to anyone
I am not sure if your country is eastern enough to qualify but thanks for your participation
thanks
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Well yeah but I also have another part of my life living in my shithole and when everyone around me and myself said 'The West' everyone knows what it means, nobody would say "I'm moving to the West" and then hop on a plane to South America, or Poland for that matter.
That's absolutely true. Brazil is a world by its own.
They're mostly their own thing. Only Brazil is still really trying to be western. The way they fetishize Catholicism, monarchy and the empire is different from all other Latino countries. They don't have this core of socialism and revolution baked into their identity. When hearing Brazilians talking, sometimes it feels like what they're really saying is "bring back the empire, white ruling class nao!"
It's strange, but it all feels deeply familiar in comparison to grievances of other countries that larp only white aesthetics.
You cannot assert that, sorry but you don't qualify, you seem to miss the scope of what I am asking for
LMAO its really really funny that you have this perception but thanks for sharing it anyways
Also Croatia is Catholic and thus western
God save antropofagia btw.
Orthodox Slavic countries are as European as any other European country by every definition of the word.
No
I'm of the opinion that it's probably because Brazilian autism on Jow Forums is exceptional and unique.
I'm Brazilian, and that's enough.
You are Western. You’re just poor and didn’t go through the same social liberal movements of Western Europe.
peace and prosperity to Brazil!
Why Chile
They’re mostly Mestizo
Let me explaining my opinions
Furstly, I thought tfx jg and Mexico is Brazil fof monkey I think jungel and Mexico so if your tell I think jungel and not east
But russja football I think is Argentina
Wh*Te peop*e for really love and connect with helicopter rides grandpa some reason.
I read on Jow Forums that Chile is Germanic and white.
Does western mean to be cucked, hypersocial but hyperindividualized at the same time and subverted being from the inside?
you know what, fair enough, I should've defined better my terms, its obvious that i meant western europeans but this thread probably will keep attracting smartasses like you so i just better let it die and make it again later, hopefully I'll be able to get better insight
I would definitely agree, I found it funny because these reconstitutionalist or unionist movements are all over latin america, i would argue that they are even stronger in puerto rico, costa rica and mexico than in brazil, have u ever heard about hispanistas?
Yes
I know about Mexico, but not about Puerto Rico and Costa Rica.
>hispanistas
Gib details.
All of Latin American loves white people
Sounds like Sudacas larping as Spainards .
I thought latin amerikanska is just för druging i think.
Äraps don't consider them west because they are fucked by west, that my opinion also we will revenge when you destroy ärap country + kill infidel that my opinion
>White beopl let me pas the walling pleaaes
more w*stern than me YTboy
right wing hispanic identitarians, basically a form of alt-right but thats extremely historicist and glorifies catholicism and belive in a pan-iberoamerican nation with western values and iberian heritage at the spiritual center of it
we are more western than you, muhammad
>a pan-iberoamerican nation
I'm pretty right wing, but that doesn't sound like a good idea desu
They sound like a dank group to hang around.
They are an interesting bunch, I have many of them as friends
The racial realist version of hispanismo is called castizo futurism basically bleach latinos until they are a non issue and racially homogeneous
No, Latin-America isn't western.
Yes
You really don't know what happened desu
The Portuguese crown fleed to Brazil and stayed here for long enough, Dom Pedro II declared our independence from Portugal
The Portuguese had missions to catholize (I guess this is the word) the natives, we are a Catholic country
We don't try to larp as white or go after imperialism because we want to be westerners
Mestizos and whites, but we are not killing us each other everyday like savages or adopting 3rd world economic/cultural policies
Outside of Jow Forums we are. We're just not rich
Why isn't Chile and Argentina united?
How big is your white population
>this thread probably will keep attracting smartasses like you
Oh well excuse us for pointing out the obvious.
>Dom Pedro I
Fix'd and cringe for your mistake.
They never have been, argentina was the viceroyalty of la plata, chile was the capitania general de chile, at no point in history they have been the same people, even in native times chileans were mapuches, argies were patagonians
Like 0,1 % of the population
A public health book from theUniversity of Chile(currently inaccessible) states that 65% of the population is of Caucasian origin;Castizos/Mestizos with an average 60% Caucasian ancestry and 40% Native American ancestry are estimated to amount a total of 30%, while Native Americans (Amerindians) comprise the remaining 5%.
UNAMprofessor ofLatin Americanstudies, Francisco Lizcano, in his social research estimates that a predominant 52.7% of the Chilean population can be classified asculturally European, with an estimated 44% asMestizo.Albeit this is an estimation based on cultural aspects. Other social studies put the total amount ofWhitesat over 60 percent.
Wikipedia
As said there's not even one single reason for that, it would make more sense if Chile was part of Peru since the capitania general de chile was under the control of the Virreinato del Peru
So why aren't you part of Peru.
Tell me about Patagonian Indians, how come they didn't make great cities at the Eastern coast?
The only relevant part about that is that the average chilean is 60% euro and 40% native
Scarce population, they lived in tribes pretty much like american indians
Isn't like Patagonia the best land for agriculture in South America? Why could not they produce food like the Inca?
mexicans are too
Patagonia is a cold desert. Las Pampas is what you’re thinking of
Mapuche are from both Chile and Argentina the "patagones" also in the extreme southern regions had the same population distribution, remember a good chunk of the Argentinian patagonia was Chilean
So why there was no civilization in the Pampas?
Don’t know. Probably not enough density or not feasible for American crops.
>remember a good chunk of the Argentinian patagonia was Chilean
No, a good chunk of the Patagonia was of the natives, all that shit about Argentina "stealing" the Patagonia is a lie, Patagonia wasn't Chilean or Argentinian at that time
Hell no.
>he thinks Argentina, Chile and Uruguay are whites
I know, I'm just using modern national limits to put it in perspective.
Why isn't Hungary and Romania united?
Westerner =/= White
totally not an argentinian with proxy, argentina have more indigenous people than brazil lmao
Turks showed up before we could annex them.
Latin America surpasses the West.
What does that mean, jap sperg?
And? I said they aren't whites.
Cope. You have Niggers like Nerman and Ronaldinho.
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Of course we would have, we didn't exterminate the slaves like argies did
Tbf It was a shock to me they have guaranies mapuches and sheit. I thought they only had those "eskimo" kind of native, not sure what it's the name of then now.
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We have inherited a lot of our autism from them, so I wouldn't put it that far. Some spaniards have claimed to share some similarity with us while others claim to be more culturally similar to their european neighbors, which in the end, I'm pretty sure it all entails to how they see themselves, so take it with a grain of salt.
Either way, we're our own cultural group with some western influence (or downright heavily westernized, if you consider most of our tradition and holidays that came from Europe).