Me and 4 other people are trying to start a business and we all met at a business competition. It’s a great idea but for obvious reasons I don’t want to say here what it is. The problem is that I feel like I’m the only guy doing the hard work.
There’s the founder, she does the 2nd most work but she’s been running it poorly. Great to talk to and she’s cool, but she’s not doing a good job at all as a leader.
Her brother, ever since the last competition he hasn’t been to any meetings or anything. I think he’s on his way out anyways.
Then there’s two other guys that they’re cool but only do what they’re told. They don’t have any initiative at all to do anything on their own and haven’t really done much.
Most of us are students besides the founder and her brother. The founder might be quitting her job soon to pursue this more seriously but who knows. For the first two business competitions we did we did a lot of work but last one was in March and things have slowed way down. The amount of work that’s been done since then all could’ve been done in a weekend.
Basically should I just leave, stay, or leave and “steal” the idea. I really hate the idea of stealing and probably won’t do that at all to be honest. but everyone else in The group don’t seem to be efficient at all.
Sorry for the long post but I’ve been thinking about this for a long time now and idk who else to ask about it.
Leave and steal the idea you pussy. If you're ACTUALLY the one doing all the work and this isn't some grand illusion then go do it on your own/with better people. If you're the hot shit you think you are it'll be successful and years down the line this bitch and her brother will sue you for half of it and you'll settle for a fraction of that and be fine because it's a great idea and company that you've built to success.
If it's not successful all this doesn't matter and you failed anyway, and no one will sue you because they won't fucking know about you. If you're mildly successful and they find out and sue you and it cripples you/the company then you weren't really successful enough in the first place.
Just go for it you fucking faggot, sounds like you're holding out to bang the girl and it's not going to happen.
Ryder Carter
/thread
Jayden Thomas
/reddit/ spacing cuck checks out
OP, Zuck em
Andrew Cruz
Leave and steal. That female will never accomplish anything anyway. Now that you’ve learned your lesson on team building, take the business plan and run.
Jacob Hughes
>sounds like you're holding out to bang the girl and it's not going to happen.
Got em
Joseph Gutierrez
Wew lads 10/10
Luis Howard
Lol definitely not looking at her in that way. I just hate to be “that guy” who has to backstab his way to the top not to mention some of the people I’m currently dealing with would know what I did eventually and idk if that would hurt me or not.
I mean we’re about to make a kickstarter video so I’m hoping/assuming after that it will kickstart some of these people to start putting in hard work again.
Jack Myers
>reddit spacing
Wasn’t about to greentext a huge fucking paragraph for you guys
Logan Thompson
>I mean we’re about to make a kickstarter video Have you not Patented/Copy written this shit yet?why are you makin a video?
Chase Long
>she
Stopped reading here, get the fuck out immediately.
Charles Lewis
Is boss pic related?
Charles Campbell
If my boss was Ariana marie I wouldn’t be worried about being successful lol
It’s not really patentable, but we’re going to talk to legal before we set it up to be sure. Kickstarter is for funding to beta test our idea before we go full scale and look for real investor
Brayden Hall
>I just hate to be “that guy” who has to backstab his way to the top
never gonna make it.
Carter Fisher
>I’m doing all the hard work! t. everyone ever
Nicholas Edwards
>It’s not really patentable OP, i said it before, Zuck em.
Set up a company in a foreign jurisdiction that doesn't pay much tax/hides your name (through a solicitor as an example). If your idea is good then some one else will steal the idea anyways. Not payin tax means you can make more money even though you your product is potentially cheaper...
Lucas Butler
kek also OP just stop being a bitch. Put the "leader" on notice that you don't like the way things are going and want to see more progress, and if not, you're out. Also you should sign contracts delineating stakeholdings in the "company" and yes you should incorporate asap if this is a real thing. You sound like an Asian beta male nice guy that's probably doing all the hard work. Good luck.
Bentley Flores
this. they all probably feel the same way, so none of them want to work.
Kayden Edwards
This Talk to the founder about this, say you want it just you and her, 50-50 ownership or you quit
Michael Foster
I did talk to her once already, didn’t threaten to leave but I told her how shit everything has been lately about a month ago. I do keep talking about incorporating, ownership, and such but I’m just getting the run around on that shit. Her problem like most college students (im a vet so I guess that makes me different) is they’re worried about being PC and rocking the boat whereas I’m very straightforward but I’ve tried to tone myself down to not offend anyone. I think you guys are right I should threaten to leave, she even said how I’m the “top guy” or whatever so I deff have some sway with this shit. I might try and see if she’ll “step down” and let me take over. Would that be a smart idea to basically subtly take control of her own company? We haven’t signed incorporation papers or anything like that so there’s still time for that.
Appreciate the advice, I guess I needed to hear it to help with my decision. This is my first time doing something like this so I’m always a little anxious about fucking up
Eli Green
so can you guys count the hours of how much people work, in a normal work the boss would keep track on how much time people put in.
as long as they are present and available for 8 hours a day, then that would be okay i guess. if they are sitting at home while you are working, then its not okay and you should speak out. you should get more percentage of the shares if you are working more hours. also you could get a lawyer to make this all into contract.
Asher Watson
Hi Josh, here's Mike. Fuck you for trying to steal our idea. Just to fuck you over and because I'm not really that interest in this startup anymore I'll tell you all what we were trying to do: >Kneepad Rollerblades. This way we could have a mobile blowjob service while you take a walk, have you morning run or walk your dogs.
Chase Myers
First you have a real talk with the "boss". Write down what is wrong and what structure for the company you want. Basically take a piece of paper and a pen and write all of you grievances on it, and ideally add solutions. Then tell her like a businessman to businessman that if that won't change you are going to leave, and because you are doing all the work, she's going to tank. The end. Don't tell and scream. Just have a business conversation.
Daniel Barnes
Whats the idea OP at least give us a hint.
Ryan Bailey
I’m going to do that for sure. Last talk was serious but your way was better than the way I did it last. Thanks man
I got us on a project management software but I think it’s being under utilized. I’ll bring that up for sure good point.
Levi Turner
I'm in a similar situation where an idea guy came to me to build an app. He outlined the idea and I explained how I could help him build it but demanded that he take it seriously and incorporate first before I wrote a single line of code. He did because I was firm about this. Laid out everything in writing and forced him to take it serious. We hired another developer and things have been going well though he wanted more control so I sold my stake for a lump sum and now I'm leaving to a job that pays better. I believed in the idea we fleshed out at first but he fell victim to scope-creep and spent all his money trying to develop something that was satisfied his delusions of grandeur instead of being effective and simple. When I was offered the buy-out I took it because I realized that we didn't share the same vision and he didn't take my advice. We now have an alpha version of an app but it is significantly worse than I had envisioned. Still, he's fairly satisfied and I've been paid.
Personally, I wish we could've remained partners and made something glorious, but he wasn't enough of a professional to pull it off so I cut my losses. I suggest you demand legal recourse in the form of equity or salary as well. That way, even if the company fails, your career doesn't go with it.
Isaac Mitchell
The thing is we aren’t an app, we’re going to be a physical location. Right now we’re layin the groundwork and testing stuff out so at the moment we aren’t making any money. We’re about to spend some money on prototype stuff for beta testing before we seek real funding. Because we’re pretty early in our development I think that’s why I’m getting the run around talking about money, legal, etc. I’m putting my foot down next time I talk to her and we’ll see what happens because I don’t want to waste time on something that’s going to fail because of the team. But we’re at the point now where we need to incorporate anyways because we’re just starting to deal with money so I think I have a good argument now versus a couple months ago when I brought all of this stuff up
Luke Lee
>she
doomed project m8 cut your losses
Jonathan Gray
> I’m hoping/assuming after that it will kickstart some of these people to start putting in hard work again. Never hope for that. People at startups don't ever do their job.
I've worked on a self-proclaimed startup for about a year now, it's basically a healthcare insurance for poor people. Gave my blood, single-handedly built their IT system and website, managed the company social networks (which I hate to do), fixed computers and stuff, and guess what: I haven't been paid in *literally* 7 months. That's right, all of my paychecks as of 2018 are late. And although my boss (also a woman) trusts me and we became friends, she would rather trust people who do nothing and sit all day taking pictures of their work desk, pretending they're working and stuff.
Startups are cancer. Kinda miss being a NEET.
David Johnson
On the bright side you got something good for your resume despite getting fucked over. I mean don’t get me wrong your situation is fucked up but you most likely can find a job somewhere else easy if you spin/use your startup experience to your advantage. It tells a better story than you working at a jerkoff job that you didn’t help create
Jordan Bennett
Yeah I'd just refuse to do anything more until you have written confirmation of company ownership and responsibilities. It's really not hard to write up at least a preliminary one where it says "person x owns 25% etc" where you all sign then everyone gets a copy for their records. Then she can go to the state and file for an LLC with partial ownership or LLP.
Aaron Jackson
Just keep it professional. Say we have to write who does what so there are no issues in the future. Say it's a big commitment and needs to run professionally.
Tyler Morris
We’re doing this through our uni startup program so we can actually do this for free which is cool. When I brought this up in the past she said she thinks ownership should be determined by how much money you put in. I’m on the fence on that because it makes sense but if you do more work than money that should mean something too. Not sure which way would be better in that case.
Samuel Murphy
There are literally 1000s of examples and pros you can ask, why not ask the uni counslers at the incubator? Why you acting like a rag for this girl? Just have a spine and tell how things are a bit more. She's a fucking retarded college girl at the end of the day why you acting like she's your mom
Isaac Martinez
>kickstarter video shieeet niqqa find some real funding but aight you gotta start somewhere....just make sure your production and distro is in place and you have real quotes on pricing before taking money from people. So many fuckers get all the $ then realize they need 300% more to actually produce and get the things shipped out. silicon valley is so fucking dirty with shit like this. they play benevolent enlightened liberal, then backstab each other in the boardroom and would sell their grandmother for more equity. people get fired from their own startups all day, then it gets taken over by retard boomers who subconsciously want to see it fail just so they can squeeze every penny out of it before moving on to the next project. > “top guy” or whatever you both need to sign a contract making you the "top guy" or whatever > I haven't been paid in *literally* 7 months. But user WE ALL haven't been paid for 7 months. We ALL work 60 hour weeks. If you're not willing to put in the time MAYBE YOU SHOULD JUST QUIT I'LL BE MORE SCREWED THAN YOU IF WE DON'T GET PAID (literal conversation I had with my boss on the phone bitch hadn't paid me in 4 months and was owed 8k+). I went back to being a neet after crypto bullrun, startups are so homosexual
