Indians.
Can you actually tell me what is really wrong with your country?
I am serious. I do not hate you. It's just that for everyday I read something new about India, the more horrified I am of how bad the situation really is. Jow Forums makes fun of poo in loo, crime, rape, street children, extreme poverty, savage behavior, pollution, pollution in Ganges, horrible ethics and so forth.
I doubt it's IQ. There are countries with much lower intelligence that are much better off than India.
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bimaru is the problem
south india equal as eastern/southern europe in living, health, safety
Why is India seemingly so much worse civilization wise compared to China?
I think one big reason is architecture. How the fuck is pic related even a thing?
Tear down these camps and build these people some proper hong kong style highrise buildings. Mumbai would not even be a fourth tier Chinese city.even though it's big and rich as fuck.
All the problems posted in your op are localised to the north. I’ve never actually seen anybody shit in public at all but I really want to for the memes so I hope I do when I visit Lucknow or some state in the north to be quite frank.
BIMARU like he says. Other than abject poverty and problems like crime and rape isn’t localised to India alone. The definition of rape is skewed, “sex under the promise of marriage” is considered rape as in when you have consensual sex with a girl, she can file a rape case on you with the police stating that she only had sex with you on the promise of marriage.
In my state, the only polluted sewage filled river in my state is the Buckingham Canal in Chennai which we’ll never clean solely because it was made by the British. We divert all our industrial effluents and toxic sludge into to make sure the river dies more than it’s already dead. But it’s ok, we have other rivers anyway, no issues.
these so called skyscrapers would do no good if these people don't have actual jobs. It will just turn into a taller slum.
They built some big commie blocks for poorfags at Smokey Mountain in Manila a few decades ago. Today, it certainly doesn't look good mostly because the tenants don't have proper jobs
*police stating that she only had sex with you on the promise of marriage and failure to uphold that promise would count as rape.
Sorry, sleepy.
And of course if you believe I’m lying, or somehow claiming that the South states are first world tier, no, we’re not. But it’s helluva lot more organised and clean.
Here’s everyone’s favourite ginger tourist to clear it up for you:
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And then there’s people like Volpe where are you who first visited here then moved north.
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aren't the Northern part the so-called "Aryan master-race" part? if so, then Jow Forums btfo by superior Dravidan race
u h8 us cause u anus.
Yes. They’re also the ones that got buttfucked by the Mughals and Turks. Which might contribute to how things panned out for them in the end, with religious tensions and overall social conditions.
With that being said, I have to repeat that the South isn’t first world tier. There’s still inefficient waste management, poverty, caste politics, water scarcity, generally getting screwed over by the central government in not allocating funds simply because we don’t vote for them, etc etc
Our railway budget last year was tabled in a way that UP got the highest money allotted to them. These people don’t even buy train tickets and travel without, cram themselves in general compartment. It’s my tax money and I don’t receive any benefits. Southern states pay the highest in taxes and barely receive anything in return.
On top of that, the South also has the highest literacy and crime reporting rates. My state is #1 in healthcare and we receive lots of medical tourists. ISRO launches its satellites and rockets from the south as well.
Basically, the South is socialism done right but it’s still not enough. While the north is a socialist democracy gone horribly wrong since a majority of it runs on welfare.
There are good northern states like Punjab, Haryana, Delhi and Uttarakhand. Safe and nice to visit.
>There are good northern states like Punjab, Haryana, Delhi and Uttarakhand
>Haryana
Happy to hear that. I know in terms of economy, India did horsecrap for decades because of restrictive foreign ownership. Basically every single former third world shithole that reduced lot's of poverty eased foreign ownership restriction which led to free trade and elimination of local monopolies, while those that didn't lagged.
I assume South India has more liberalized markets?
Btw I wanna visit it someday so I would love some recommendations
It's BIMARUs fault
>I wanna visit it someday so I would love some recommendations
If and when you're serious about it make a thread on /trv/. You'll get much better tips and advice from the few anons who post there in India threads.
But i would recommend Rajasthan (for the forts, havelis and stuff), Himachal and Uttarakhand (for amazing weather, mountains, flora and fauna), Ladakh (for the Tibetian culture, monasteries and mountains).
The other indianon seems to be from the south so he would be able to tell you where to go in the south.
I've never been to the North East (7 Sister States) but it's a beautiful region with distinct culture and people.
Why the hell would you visit India when you could go to Bhutan or Nepal ?
they are waste fellows
If you want to visit the South,
Kerala is #1 and I’m not even from Kerala. I’m from the neighbouring state. Kerala is the cleanest and most safest for tourists. Has 99.99% literacy rate everybody speaks English, no one will ever rip you off, the beaches are amazing, the bitches are amazing, the food is incredible, you can have beef pork ham etc etc the weather is also the best in the entire south.
#2 would be my state which is Tamil Nadu. You won’t miss out anything at all. TN has tons of different Hindu temples which is the main attraction of the state, we even joke about how northies have to come here if they want to visit a temple that hasn’t been destroyed by Muslims. If you want to look at architectural marvel like pic related(Meenakshi Amman Temple) then that’s what Tamil Nadu is good for. Apart from that there’s hill stations where we go during winter but since you’re Scandinavian that would seems pointless. TN is just a pilgrimage centre. The night life in Chennai is boring, the beaches are boring, the weather is the worst in the entire country which is an objective fact agreed by almost everybody foreign or native.
#3 would be Karnataka
More or less like TN, has barely anything interesting to see apart from temples or Muslim forts and palaces. Bangalore is in this state, the IT capital of India and has the second best night life in the country.
#4 Andhra Pradesh/ Telengana
The Muslim capital of the south. Second IT capital, the Char Minar is what I know Hyderabad for. I don’t know much about it except IKEA is here.
And then there’s Mumbai/Pune/Goa. Only go there if you have enough money. You’ll bleed cash, do not get fooled by India’s poverty and brown streets especially Mumbai. I wanted to go to ESL ONE in Mumbai which starts in couple days, I had to decide against it because I can’t afford three days in a decent Mumbai hotel. Best night life, best girls, best everything if you want to get laid and have fun with booze.
Also Himachal and Uttarakhand are home to an abundance of very significant temples and shrines such as the Sapt Badri and Panch Kedar, there's a reason the Pahari states are both known as "Devbhumi".
ALso this, I cant believe I forgot about the North east.
Down right the best looking people, cleanest as well. Sad to see they get treated like shit by us because they look Chinese or East Asian.
The north eastern Ahom Kingdom have the best W/L ratio against the Mughals. A 16-1 record with just one accidental loss.
Man I was the guy saying I’m gonna visit Auli. Thank you for reminding me to visit Kedarnath as well.
Truly, a sign from the Mahadev himself.
Hey it's no problem. Here's a pic of Badrinath as well if you want to visit there. Enjoy the bugyals, fren.
Of course, my man. Badrinath and Kedarnath together. Cheers.
Have you ever been to India? Are you from Himachal or Uttaranchal?
I have been to India many times, yes. My paternal side of family is from Garhwal region of Uttarakhand, while my maternal side are Kashmiri Pandits. I've only been to rural Garhwal once in my life though, when I was four, we went to a town called Srinagar, the old capital of Garhwal Kingdom, and where my dad was born before they moved to Delhi. Most other visits have been to Delhi, with some in Dehradun, Agra, a trip to Jaipur, and one time visit with my mother to Srinagar in Kashmir.
I’m the Tamil guy but I’ve been to the usual northie places with family. It’s amazing how we want to travel abroad for tourism while none of us manage to cover even maybe 20% of the country.
Outside of TN, I’ve been to kerala, Karnataka, Andhra/Telengana in the south. Punjab, Delhi and UP in the north. And of course, the obligatory Goa trip.
That’s it, that’s not even 10%.
Meanwhile my dad’s been to 12 or 13 states including spending a night in the desert in Rajasthan in somebody’s hut. He even occasionally asks Northie waiters where they’re from and makes small talk, and 9/10 times he manages to talk about the places he’s been to in their states. Guaranteed 10/10 service after that lel
Maybe one day, I’ll do the same desu.
There's loads of tamilis where I am they seem chill but you literally never see them speak outside of someone who isn't a pajeet despite them Living here for decades
>Ahom Kingdom
Thanks alot Indian bros. I will add these to my bucket list, and make an itinerary someday when I can actually afford. I literally live on $5 a day due to college life which can afford what $1 would do in India probably.
I hope for the best of your country and that economic progress will be felt by everyone in the coming years.
Also they also they unironicly mostly live in the area called east India estate, there used to be a major training college for the East India company but is got demolished after company rule ended
economy fag here
not Indian but will answer all the same
it's this shit culture of lowest common denominator forced on economy, specifically the farming sector
they have a land reservation system where small plots of land are owned by families
they legally can't buy bigger plots of land even if others are selling
thus 70% of the country are essentially medieval peasants bordering on starvation
and owing to the small land ownership they can't industrialize their farms from their own (barely enough for a vegetarian diet) income
industrializing via government or outside investment isn't feasible too because small farms don't scale
they are stuck in a perpetual circle of poverty and in my opinion only a Marxist revolution that uproots all land ownership can fix their economy within 50 years but it'll kill 25% of the country
India is the only example i can think of that Marxism could be a positive thing on economy
Thanks dude. Cheers, dw, if Harald Baldr can make it in India so can you someday. Good luck with school.
>Garhwal
Based. I was in your hometown a couple of months back. Spent a night on top of hilltop/mountain. Couldn't light a fire during the night cause of the wet wood. Was shivering the whole night due to inadequate clothing and gear. When i woke up in the morning the tent was covered in frost (pic related), even spotted the beautiful and rare Himalayan Monal in the bugyal.
>It’s amazing how we want to travel abroad for tourism while none of us manage to cover even maybe 20% of the country.
True.
>He even occasionally asks Northie waiters where they’re from and makes small talk, and 9/10 times he manages to talk about the places he’s been to in their states. Guaranteed 10/10 service after that lel
Based dad
Very nice. How did you find the local hospitality? If you interacted with the townsfolk and villagers that is.
Just a reminder that OP is a Paki.
A whooping 1% of Norway's population are Pakistani:
en.wikipedia.org
Here are some facts about Pakistanis in Pakistan and in the UK:
>According to estimates from the United Nations, about 36 percent of girls and 29 percent of boys in Pakistan have suffered child sexual abuse.
>Pakistan's Hidden Shame: Documentary where Pakistanis admit they rape 10-12 children each
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Why is child rape so common among Pakistanis?
>In August 2014 the Jay report concluded that an estimated 1,400 children, most of them white girls, had been sexually abused in Rotherham between 1997 and 2013 by predominantly British-Pakistani men.
>The first group conviction took place in 2010, when five British-Pakistani men were convicted of sexual offences against girls aged 12–16.
en.wikipedia.org
>Around 80 per cent of designated suspects are of Pakistani heritage
Not to forget that Pakis are the most likely group of people to be pedophiles in Germany.
>How did you find the local hospitality
Things are changing surely. The people in Himachal/Uttarakhand used to be very welcoming and they still are. But they have become a bit more money minded in certain places which have been getting more and more tourists. I went to a place in Himachal (Tosh) almost a decade back and stayed their with the locals in their house. Went their again a year or two ago and the changes were drastic. Many old houses (thatched roofs and all) were gone and small concrete floors were cropping up. The locals are making good money from the tourists and most of them have opened up comfy rooms with attached western toilets and TV. Many of their "guest houses" play shitty trance music late in the night. The peace and serenity is gone. The blame kinda lies with people like us who travel there and write blogs in the Internet about these places. Young people nowadays have a lot of disposable income and they are on a lookout for such places.
This is not true for all the places in the devbhoomi though. Most places and people are still the same, it's just that many smaller/less known places are turning into Shimla and Manali.
He seems nice. Don't be rude.
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Machi he legitimately sounded like someone curious and not a paki. If he was a paki then he’d have some Arabic filename. He was respectful. Chill tf out bro.
>mfw reading my post
Yeah i think i need to sleep now.
Fucking hell
Only Indians would be naive enough to think OP's post is anything else than (concern?) trolling. You actually think someone who writes shit like:
would ever be genuinely interested in anything about India or even visiting India as he claims in another post?
All of the negative memes about India is a result of a poor developing country giving free reign to domestic media and foreign NGOs. India does not have a "rape problem" anymore than many other poor 3rd world countries.
The media in other BRIC countries like South Africa and Brazil don't care about gang rapes in their favelas and ghettos. But the Indian media turn every single rape in every single BIMARU village into breaking front page news. Oh and somehow those illiterate "journalists" make sure to report it in perfect English for the whole world to see.
Hang every single Indian journalist and JNU student.
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#brofist
It actually wouldn't work
Land redistribution can work if you have large amounts of land (relative to the population)
It typically downsizes your average farm. It did that even in Russia which is large and where people were leaving villages and moving to cities at a crazy pace
LOL is this opposite history day?
Soviet-inspired Marxist planned economy policies from 1947 to 2007 are the reason that Indian farmers and farming workers (who make up 50% of the Indian population) are living in poverty today.
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Damn, having land ownership restrictions are some of the worst things a government can do. I get "it's supposed to prevent "cartels" from buying up all land, but there can be other kinds of rules to prevent that. Small farms generally never works. Land consolidation is the best form of agricultre. That's why most of Southeast Asia has a booming agriculture sector despite being dirt poor peassants 20 years ago
It worked in Thailand, Korea and Vietnam...and Malaysia if you consider their population to be large relative to the amount of land
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obviously the soviet model isn't successful,
my point was that only communist governments have been known to take property away as they please
from then they should give them to agricultural companies, and give stocks in the company to former land owners
the only thing that does indeed work with socialist policies for third world countries is indeed land reform, although most of them have been implemented through the government buying the land rather than forced confiscation.
Regardless, restrictive agricultural land ownership are primary reasons why India and countries like Philippines(afaik) are still extremely poor
And free education. Iraq and Syria for example were pathetic in that regard before the socialists made it available for everyone
I have never seen anyone shit on the street. I swear to god, I may as well be blind considering the amount of shitting that happens according to all the experts.
3.4% live in extreme poverty. Savage behavior and horrible ethics aren't exclusive to India.
Pollution is caused by development and infrastructure building (India recently became world's largest concrete importer). Every country had to go through this phase, don't know why people expect India to be any different.
You people are assigning standards of a $5000 income per capita country to a country with a $2.2k income per capita.
And what countries are you referring to? Botswana? Namibia? Zambia? Because I've been there, believe it or not.
what's all the blue shit
>buying the land
yeah they "buy" the land for the price they see fit, which is usually 1/10th of it's value
it's been done here in the 50s, fucked up the sheikhs (your equivalent of lords) good, but saved the country
Why didn't the Uk split that region from India upon Indian independance? Not that I have anything against India, the people there just seems very different and it's only linked to the rest of India by a tight corridor.
fuck landlords. Lot's of them are descendants of conquerors and did nothing to keep the land while making farmers work their bones off by tilling the land it and pay them 1/4th of the earnings.
Why does it matter what they look like? If you can have north and south together (which by the way, also differ among themselves), then why not the north east?
Majority are Hindu anyway. Such a weird question, senpai. Who cares what they look like lmao You'd think religion and language would be more important factors
This explains everything desu
i agree
but the replacement should be farming companies
not splitting up the land into 1 hectare plots and giving them to peasants to live in medieval mode
Blame the Indian media and NGOs. Everything bad about India is immediately broadcast to the whole world in English.
Other developing 3rd world countries don't have this degenerate level of freedom of speech for media and NGOs.
Also hang all JNU students.
Why do you Europeans have such an obsession with other foreign countries? Focus on your own shit, faggot. Most intelligentsia of various countries can tell it's just a game of forming pretexts of "helping in others" when in fact it just boils down to exploitation. You act like cogs for your Machiavellian elite unknowingly with your obsession with affairs of foreign countries. You have serious issues with migrants that your own leaders radicalized and then accepted into your own borders. Do you realize how batshit insane that is? EU helped USA literally create terrorists that it then allowed into its own borders, probably for some ulterior objective relating to geopolitics. You are more fucked up than even street pooers.
Find me one nation that armed its enemies in the past, only to then let a huge influx of them into the borders. I'm serious, faggot. Waiting.
nah man, savagery exists in all countries, but in higher rate where severe poverty exists because of miserable lives and malnourishment.
Of course, pollution always occurs, but one can indeed limit it in the 21st century tremendously. With that, I also refer to human waste pollution and plastic pollution.
The UK didn't even split their South Asian colony. Pakistan and Bangladesh was part of India back then too
That's kinda what I also meant. There should be no restriction. Farmers should be allowed to form cooperatives and consolidate their tiny parcels into larger land and can buy fertilizers, seeds and machinery together. That's what they did in Thailand and Malaysia. Government's role past land reform was mostly just building the infrastructure to connect their lands to the market
I am not in favor of EU politics, bro. I just wanna travel the world and experience multiple cultures and scenery.
I also wanna bring everyone out of poverty and misery while slitting the throats of those responsible for it all
Dude, there is no country greater than Switzerland. Just go to Switzerland and do Shikantaza/Zazen while listening to the birds, reading poetry, and etc. Traveling and meeting new people is a waste of time. Becoming a Buddhist who seeks solitude in natural scenery to achieve kensho is not.
But I'm not Swiss :'( Thus I need to cope by never being Swiss by doing what I want to do
I also need to cope that I can never become a politician mass murderer
You're Norwegian and the Swiss would tolerate you. Politics is a devil's game that does not lead to wisdom. Solitude and contemplation do, especially in natural scenery which Switzerland has some of the best of.
it's a developing country
why is this difficult to understand
Why would any industrializing country limit their emissions and byproducts? Do you know why no country did that any why, right now, China and India are also not doing it? Because it's not worth it. It's expensive, slower and the infrastructure required is not there. You have a good 15 years before climate change really puts the pedal to the metal; China and India don't have time to waste.
Majority of plastic pollution is caused by first world countries exporting all their plastic junk to countries in Asia. Just read up on the trouble America is having with "recycling" because China has started refusing their shit. And if you really want to comment on plastic pollution, SEA should be your go to, not China nor India.
What exactly do you mean by human waste? Shit and piss? Dead bodies?
And like I said, 3.4% of people in India live in extreme poverty as defined by the first sustainable development goal. People living in slums aren't poor, some are pretty fucking rich too and most people in slums have access to most basic necessities like electricity, food, etc. But they're slums so having all of them at the same time 24/7 isn't feasible. Now, why are these people living in slums? Because the rate of urbanization is so high that the infrastructure can't keep up.
You people need to visit China outside the tier 1 and 2 cities. One thing China did well is not allow slums in cities and make it harder for people to migrate willy nilly.
First mistake was democracy. Second mistake was allowing everything to be published in english. India is obviously developing but fuck me, I'll be 50 before we reach something nice (if climate change doesn't fuck us).
you can limit pollution by going over to e-vehicles which despite the name ain't that much more expensive than gasoline ones. You just need the infrastructure for that, and India surely have some money for such. Most of India isn't really polluted. Mostly the Northern cities like New Delhi.
With plastic pollution, I acknowledge the Southeast Asians are the worst at that. I am just referring to making all of these countries learn about proper disposal so that the plastic doesn't end up in the wrong places.
>What exactly do you mean by human waste? Shit and piss? Dead bodies?
This is one thing I am talking about. I can still remember numerous of stories of children in India dying from consuming contaminated water.
Also human waste(shit piss) is dumped in large amounts into the sacred river of Ganges which humans bathe and consume water from. It's nowhere near as polluted as say the Citarum river but it's still pretty sad and leads to waterborne diseases affecting children generally.
>And like I said, 3.4% of people in India live in extreme poverty
It's actually more. As per the international poverty threshold of $1.9 PPP in 2011 Dollars, 12.4% lives under that threshold.
>People living in slums aren't poor, some are pretty fucking rich too and most people in slums have access to most basic necessities like electricity, food, etc. But they're slums so having all of them at the same time 24/7 isn't feasible.
Actually won't deny that. Most slums are generally inhabited by low class people who still manages to earn above the poverty threshold but the lack of affordable housing prevents them from having genuine housing. I would say there's a difference between slums and shanty towns though. In Manila Port, there are a few of them
>One thing China did well is not allow slums in cities and make it harder for people to migrate willy nilly.
slums kinda do exist in China, but most wouldn't regard it as such as they look more formally constructed
but my destiny lies in bringing good paying jobs to poor farmers in the Philippines. Too long of a story to tell. And provide and maybe even develop machine learning techniques to fight corruption and voter fraud
My dream is to become a huge philanthropist billionaire with a primary goal of providing jobs to those currently earning next to nothing around the world
>First mistake was democracy. Second mistake was allowing everything to be published in english. India is obviously developing but fuck me, I'll be 50 before we reach something nice (if climate change doesn't fuck us).
I do despise "poverty porn", where rich sons of bitch journalists visits countries and documents how "shit" they are and publish these articles for rich bleeding hearts wh*tes to read to make them feel pity for 1 min, then completely forget it and do nothing.
It's headlines like that that catches people's attention but in the end does nothing for the country and just gives them a terrible image. Sometimes such media outlets can publish biased stuff that western media corps catch up and print out too for the endless amount of their NPC readers to be outraged over, again giving the country a terrible image.
Nepal is worse than India actually
Source for your poverty rate? mine is worldpoverty.io People living in extreme poverty was just over 20% according to the Indian census in 2011 (next one in '21). Nigeria is also the country with the most people living in extreme poverty edition.cnn.com
Most buses are being converted to electric now and e-rikshas are now a thing and are getting more popular. But it's going to take more time to get things moving at a faster rate because less than 5% of India's population pay taxes. It doesn't help that farmers (even the rich ones) don't have to pay taxes and considering 50% of India is in the agricultural sector...
So no, the government doesn't have THAT much money...yet.
And if you're gonna ask why ISRO is a thing, ISRO earns its own money.
>ganges
The ganges the western world sees is one small part of a very huge river. The dead bodies are of homeless people and the like. No one really takes a shit in it (anymore lmao) because of the big ass row of toilets nearby. I won't deny though. It is pretty fucking disgusting. I can't comment on any effort to clean it because I have no idea.
Also, I believe the squatting law is still part of the Indian constitution which is a bit lame. Basically, if you don't make a legal complaint against illegal settlers (e.g. slums) near you over a period of time (forgot the exact time period), they get legal rights over that property lmao
Exactly, may as well go to Sikkim lol