Is there hope for Canada?

because of representational need. The vast majority of Canadians live in Toronto and the GTA, followed by places like Montreal, Vancouver, Calgary, Ottawa, and other metropolitan areas, far more so than even America.

Also, Ontario is strong on the federal level, but a lot of provinces have headway and individual representation, often moreso than they'd like to admit. Quebec has enormous leverage due to both economic factors and the enshrinement of the french minority into federal law. Alberta and BC also have economic weight, and have local political scenes separate from the national one that influence their actions.

Ottawa is not reallly influential btw, it's a smaller comfy government town that's been growing, but is still not a heavyweight. When people refer to Ottawa, it's basically referring to the federal gov. as an entity, similar to how Americans refer to D.C.

We'd be happy to have you. There's probably less cultural incompatibilities between us and you than you and the GTA.

Why are Canadians so conformist?

Toronto and Southern Ontario pay for your highways, health care, and education. Moreover, do you grow anything but trees up there?

It started off as highly centralized but is tending to drift more towards decentralization as other regional centres further west have gained in prominence in past decades.

>I live in Sudbury so I’m from da north
Real north Ontarians are ruralites. Sudfags are just an extension of the south.

same with california, texas, new york and florida (most important swing state)

Lol at western oilniggers complaining about no representation. Here in the Maritimes we get jackshit.

>sudbury
so basically the Toronto of northern ontario, lmao

are there any checks to keep the less populous provinces politically relevant? like how america has two senators per state

>When people refer to Ottawa, it's basically referring to the federal gov. as an entity, similar to how Americans refer to D.C.
sorry for any confusion, i was mostly referring to the government, as well as the high population in eastern canada

that's only in presidential elections though

14.5million/37.5 million = 39%.

Ontario has nearly 40% of Canada’s population that’s why.

the maritimes deserve mich better, and that's coming from a t*rontoid. How would you improve the situation? I'd expect it would mainly be getting investment and job opportunities, the main issues I've heard is that it sucks to be anything but a pensioner

You guys should separate too. Turn Canada into like 3 or 4 countries.

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Western separation is the biggest joke ever. If anything Quebec and the East Coast should separate and form their own country. Ontario and the West can remain cucked with their refugees and SJW politics.

yeah, no worries, just clarifying. I live in Ottawa, so it's an irksome point when you see it get shat on in the news despite not being responsible for the doings of the feds.

btw Eastern Canada and the QC-Windsor corridor is the core of Canada, sort of like the east coast in America. Montreal, Ottawa, Kingston, Toronto, Windsor etc. all lie in between, and make it the most populous area in the country.

That said, it's still much, much sparser than most of America. Even in between these cities, there's mostly just thick woods and farmland. If you're half an hour outside Ottawa, you're already mostly in the boonies, and you're only gonna see farms and woods. Hell, an hour and a half from Ottawa is Algonquin, which is a pristine, huge national park. Southeast Ontario is sort of different, it's more of a patchwork of towns, sort of like the U.S, since it's been settled for longer. But Canada's way emptier than most people realize, see pic related. Even the light yellow bits are only 0.5 people/km2

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Being rural or not doesn't mean much, honestly. If you're North of Barrie, you may as well not exist. And Sudbury's hardly a sprawling hub - there are just over 160 000 people in an area more than 3 200 square kilometers.

That said, Sudbury is much closer to "cities" in the North than it is to cities in the South. You can pretty much move people from Timmins, North Bay, Sault Ste. Marie, Thunder Bay, Parry Sound, and the like around at random and it still feels like home. Plop somebody from Espanola into Brampton (or vice versa) and they'd be lost.

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Why do Canadians LARP suffering in their country? It’s literally impossible

>infrastructure man bad

Because we don't like the political climate and how things are being run. Cost of living is expensive now. Too many foreigners in the major cities.

here, compare that picture to this one of the US, you can see that even the less-dense parts of the US are still much more packed than most of Canada. We're only about 36 million people over 10 million km2 after all

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Canadians are not worldly.

Also, Sudbury exists as it is because of Ottawa and Southern Ontario; it's much more economically intertwined with them than Northern Ontario.

>West
>SJW politics
Aside from southern B.C that doesn't really exist here. Also at least the west is an economically viable region, the east coast is almost entirely reliant on fishing which is totally dead now and Quebec is way too reliant on equalization payments to have a chance at independence without some serious restructuring.
Also we're not taking Ontario unless we can cut off the little cancer nub.

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i've been through the yukon and northern BC several times. it's crazy how isolated it gets.
i guess what i'm getting at is that in america even our population centers, like the east coast as you mentioned, aren't politically dominant. from what i understand canada seems to function like a hybrid between a unitary and federal system.

what the fuck even is Canada? USA should annex you

When you say too many foreigners do you mean every foreigner including white Europeans or just Asians and Arabs? Because I would gladly trade white Europeans for Jose and Abdul

>doesn't really exist here
Yes it does. You've got a few outspoken people there but it exists all the same. Also you've got enough poos to rival Ontario.

We haven't been gerrymandered as badly as you have. Also, your political system is specifically set up to mitigate the influence of dense population centres on politics.

It's a big part of our history and is ingrained in the national psyche. Nowadays stereotypes of Canadians are things like polite, apologetic, progressive, etc., but for over 2 centuries Canadians would have defined their greatest national characteristic as Loyal, some remnants of that linger on today.
Also, like all Anglos and many Europeans, but in contrast to Americans, we have tall poppy syndrome.

>Too many foreigners in the major cities
Understatement of the century, this. And the government is bringing in over 300 000 immigrants (not including illegals or refugees) every year. That's the population of our capital city every three years.

And Temiskaming only exists because of Quebec, but it doesn't make them French. And the Soo only exists because of the States, but that doesn't make them American. Kenora only exists because of Manitoba, but it's still a part of Ontario. Obviously being a ~4 hour drive from somewhere means your economies are closely linked, especially when those areas have 40% of the entire country's population, but you could argue that for most of the country.

The majority of our major cities' populations are foreigners.

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East Coast isn't a population centre. Central Canada (Quebec and Ontario) are the population centres.

ah yeah, you get it then, sorry to elaborate. That said, I would say that your population centers are still rather dominant, you just have way more of them. Places like NYC and LA are incredibly influential in the media too, to the point I'd argue that they influence most of what the rest of the country believes about the places they live. When I've visited America, most of it seems to be a ring of smaller towns dependant on an urban centre core, mostly in places like Pennsylvania, NY state, Florida, Tennessee, Kentucky, etc. I would say that these urban cores dominate more on a state or local level than the federal one though, mostly because of the seat system you guys set up, for better or worse
I believe he means the US east coast, Boston, NYC, Philly and the like

So you agree that because most of the world is linked economically to the USA, the world belongs to the USA? Fucking moron.

Nobody ever notices white European immigrants because they blend in. We've apparently got a lot of slavs here but I never notice them.

I have come to the conclusion that basically every """"Canadian"""" west of Québec or maybe Ontario is fucking retarded with Albertans being the most retarded by far. It honestly seems like Albertans hate Canada and everything that makes Canada unique in North America. I genuinely believe that they would be happier as a centre-right American state than as a Canadian province.

so what do you guys think of this carbon tax

If they both separate then they’ll literally be third world shitholes. Quebec is the biggest leech so they sure won’t want to separate even if the nationalists want to.

>tfw come from Montérégie
>that small red bit south of Montréal
>tfw always tought it was empty as fuck
>tfw was objectively born in one of the densest regions of Canada
holy fuck what the fuck are yall doing in the West lmao have kids you dumb fucks

>Shitty healthcare system compared to other equally rich Western/Northern European countries
>Unsolved Ethnic divisions between the fr*Nch and *Nglo dogs
>Hasn't been over 15 Celsius since fucking September
>Shitty provincial governments at least in mine
>Too many immigrants
>Governments who don't give a shit about the environment
>Governments who are happy to sell away all your ressources to Chinese investors
>Governments who are happy to be America's bitch

We have many reasons to complain. Sure we have it better than fucking Congo but it doesn't mean we can't make it better.

i meant american population centers

>Also, your political system is specifically set up to mitigate the influence of dense population centres on politics.
it's odd to me that a federal system wouldn't be set up this way, but i only have knowledge of the american and australian systems, so maybe i'm just missing something

absolutely our population centers dominate locally. i was speaking more in regards to the federal government. for example, some senator from wyoming can completely block all bills unless a supermajority disagrees with him

I can understand wanting to be get away from Ontario but yeah Western Canadians are just as fucked.

I'm so happy that my tax dollars are floating up into the atmosphere and reversing climate change. It's a miracle, we're saving the planet one frozen-to-death grand-ma at a time! Only accounting for ~1.6% of global emissions and our mass of forests making us carbon-neutral already, absorbing ~10x the pollutants we put out? That's just right-wing propaganda! God, I sure do love taxes, especially when I'm charged tax on top of those taxes (since it's not called a tax)!

Saskatchewans and Manitobans are good folks, nothing wrong with em. Most Albertans are just incensed and bitter, somewhat reasonably, but mostly because politics there uses the divide between alberta and etcetera as a way to drum up support.

in that case you're right. I was surprised how a lot of relevant US politicians are actually representatives from bumfuck nowhere

You started off with thirteen colonies while we started off with tiny Anglo settlements and a couple of French cities.

Again, just urban B.C for the most part. Everywhere else west of Ontario is pretty much Canada's bible belt.
And Poos are generally fine desu. Middle easterners are the ones that can get sketchy.

That's exactly the attitude that makes westerners not want to be associated with the east. There's been a cultural rift growing between the two regions ever since the HBC and NWC had their spat with each other and it's finally coming to a boiling point.

This, we have no economy in Québec. Natural ressources, aeronautical, hydroelectricity, software development, pharmaceutical industries, biotechnologies, pulp and paper, we don't have any of that. That's why Canadians begged us to not separate last time. Thank you for your benevolence and stopping us from becoming Haiti :)

Culturally there is nothing separating you from Ontario. It's purely a political division.

I mostly support it but we need to make sure that a lot of the money is going to green energy research and construction. It's not enough just to charge people and businesses as a "punishment" for using carbon based fuels, we need to find practical and affordable ways to replace them.

>everybody who speaks English is Ontario

If you're talking about the north that's kinda true. The big cultural centers in Ontario are totally different animals from the western hubs though.

Canada don't even have proper statistics to tell approximately how many illegals live here lmao

I see one Mexican(as me), a Chinese or and carribean illegal in every corner. Imagine the numbers.

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I constantly work with Russians, Ukrainians and polish. Obviously illegals. They're a lot, but as you said is more easy spot any other illegal than a European immigrant.

I fail to see the connection between the politics of Alberta and the rest of Canada today and the conflicts between the HB and NW companies.

I can go years at a time without seeing a single person who isn't old stock British or French Canadian but personal anecdotes don't really count for much do they?

you also vote left faglard go fuck yourself

I know youre just baiting like a homo but whites built this place and now it literally has maybe 20-30 years left before every city looks like hong kong

>poor people vote for the party that doles out more gibs

Shocking

We recently passed the point where there are more Chinese immigrants than natives. It's ridiculous.

VIVRE LES FRANCO-ONTARIENS!

ok just give the money back then fagbag LMAO you should be down on your knees sucking my oily cock

I wasn’t baiting was just genuinely curious if you lump all foreigners together

The country is 5% Chinese with almost all of them in 2 or 3 cities, it's hardly an epidemic.

>votes ndp turban man in
whoa whoa there pardner, you wouldnt want to feel guilty would ya?

The NWC was structured in a way that was basically a bunch of independent trappers and traders operating under a single banner and leader for the economic advantage it gave them, but everybody personally owned their land or whatever it was they used to make a living. Loyalty was given to the company as long as the money was there.
Compare that to the HBC which was saw itself almost as a sovereign nation whose citizens owed it service in exchange for access to its resources like land, food, clothing, and whatever else. Baymen were much more dependent on the entire company operating smoothly since they had very few resources of their own.
Tensions mounted between the two competing companies to the point of actual acts of war at times, though since they were just business the sieges and skirmishes are just seen as crime rather than parts of a greater war.
The spirit of that has carried on to the to regions the two companies operated in with the west being defined by a strong DIY individualist attitude whereas the east carries more willingness to suffer as individuals for the sake of some greater good as well as not caring as much about taking life by the horns themselves.
Neither one is really a better way to view the world, but they are fundamentally incompatible.

the poos have ruined entire neighbourhoods here, the poos are not fine, the poos must go back

Canadians (Maritimers, Québecois, and Ontarians) invested in, fought for, and paid for western Canada as a way to enrich themselves, mostly through natural resources. It was a smart investment that has payed off. Creating money for central and eastern Canada is literally why you exist.

then you might want to check your definition as someone who comes and creates the country is by definition not a foreigner when the country never existed previously

Too much of any group is a problem if you can't assimilate them fast enough.

and each of them has 3 kids while the poos each have 12 and we cant afford to have 1...

Canadians (French and English) invested in, fought for, and paid for Canada as a way to enrich themselves, mostly through natural resources. It was a smart investment that has payed off. Creating money for France and England is literally why you exist.

Memes aside, in queensborogh here (rich poo neighbourhood) they live 1 family in a giant house, the houses are now covered in mold, they're cheapskates with everyone and the neighbourhood stinks - like just walking through it smells like shit and curry.

Leaf threads are the worst. This is what I meant when Canadians aren't worldly. We seem to think our problems are *SPESHUL*.

I con't know what you have been reading but you are very wrong. The NWC did not operate as independent land owning contractors, they operated as a single Scottish clan, which is exactly what they were. They were based on exploration of undiscovered land because they needed to work around the HBC's monopoly. The HBC by contrast operated only in the Hudson Bay region and were happy to stay put. The conflict came from 2 places natural economic competition and the fact that the HBC was a HudsinBay/London company run by lowland Scots (mostly from Aberdeen or Orkneymen) and the NWC was a Montréal based post-Culloden Scottish highland clan. Eventually HBC was forced to adopt the wandering ways of the NWC and do absorbed them by becoming them.
The name BBC won out but the culture of the NWC took over

Good goyim, none of your country's problems are valid because some Africans have it worse off. Yes, every old stock Canadian really IS an idiot. Keep up the good work.

+1 shekels have been deposited into your account.

I been reading this

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are issues aren't special so they aren't worth discussing? you're a faggot dude.

Here's mine, it's one of my favourite book series, apparently you and I took very different things away from the books. The NWC was a Scottish clan, almost all of them related in some way. Their use of country wives and subsequent Métis connections did give them exclusive access to Indian lands which might be what you mean by private land owners but loyalty came from the fact that all of the officers were related and had a natural hatred for the English and lowland Scots.

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Tbf I'm only part of the way into it as of now. Could be I have yet to read some of the elaborations that come later.

No one here has claimed that Canada's politics are in someway special on the global scale, although as a top 10 GDP, G7 state, and top 10 soft power they are more relevant than in many other nations. That's not the point though, we are discussing Canada because this is a thread full of Canadians, what the fuck else should we be talking about? Which nation's history, culture, and politics, are so special that Canadians should only be talking about it rather than their own provinces and nation?