How does this make you feel?

>well regulated
In the language of that day, it meant well supplied and capable. Not micromanaged by bureaucrats doing make-work.

Technically there was a militia but after 1812 defending against British aggression was difficult without it actually being a full fledged Army.

WELL
REGULATED

>inb4 some jillbilly comes and claims "regulation" means firepower

Barbarism is how the real world is.

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Envious. Defend it American. Defend it to the death.

It also makes be happy because it annoys the French.

Like a clockwork.

Sad that we don't have something similar here, but also happy because its mere existence in the States sends limp-wristed obsessed yuropeens into a seething rage.
Would be interesting to see a Swiss's take on this.

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They say that's not the object of the ammendment, just an addendum.

Same desu

It really is pitiful how Yuros have such a fetish for being micromanaged.

>falling for scaremongering propaganda
Why do Americans do this?

wasn't that the idea?a community of patriots taking up a hobby of soldiery

If you have to register to buy it you 2nd amendment mean shit

dictionary.com/browse/regulate

Definitions 2, 3 and 4 are the relevant ones in this context. Now-a-days the it means the first 99% of the time but this wasn't always the case.

you don't have wars nigger, you are living like a terrorized beta cunt where everybody need to carry guns to feel "safe" but there is no safety feeling when the first thing you think when you leave the house is to pick your gun with you.

Must suck living in a countey where corruption runs so rampant you have to rely on vigilantism.

This was posted by a person who will survive the inevitable zombie apocalypse.

grateful to the founding fathers for creating it
I wish the people were more anal about making the government respect it though.

Envious.

Not only have other counter-arguments already been formed in this thread (and let's not forget the case law in regards to this affair, like one of the authors of the amendment (I think Jefferson?) explicitly stating that this article allows owners of trade ships to arm them with cannons under the second amendment), but even if we ignore that your meme of an argument has a glaring flaw. It presupposes that the government has to give itself permission to arm itself in a constitutional amendment. I'll give you some time to think about how fucking stupid it is for a government to deliberately stipulate that it has the right to arm its own soldiers when that is literally the ONE JOB a government has.

>you don't have wars nigger
Wars aren't polite enough to announce themselves decades in advance. Hell, even when WW2 announced itself decades in advance ("This isn't a peace, this is an armistice for 20 years"), it STILL caught you with your pants down.

>inb4 "hurr durr a second amendment wouldn't have helped"
It would allow for a large portion of the population to be quickly armed and brought to the front in a last ditch defense. Perhaps when Churchill then asked "Where are the reserves?" the response he would've gotten wouldn't be "there are none" but "There are none... yet".

>Self-defense is vigilantism
Of course. Even in home defense situations, you DO realize that the police needs 15 minutes or so to arrive at the crime scene, right? And that it's really convenient if you can kneecap a motherfucker in those 15 minutes rather than having to hide in a closet and hope he doesn't stab you to death because he didn't get a loife and bin that knoife?

That's only a interpretation, like with any other religious text. And even then, the most favourable reading I manage to get from any of the definitions is "efficient", and bunch of gun toting lunatics hardly describe that.

Today the cynical would call that the National Guard, which contrary to popular belief are more career oriented and most of videos of IEDs on US troops in Iraq during the war were of them.

>That's only a interpretation
There is plenty of external context (e.g. ) that makes it very clear the definition that was meant

Must suck living in a place where you're only option when faced with danger is to stick your thumb up your ass and hope the gubbmint saves you in time
>you don't have wars nigger
They said in the Balkans in the early 90s
They said in August 1914

>People from 101 reykjavík talking about american gun ownership after every shooting
Personally think its baffling to think that there are people in my country who have never even seen a gun

>inb4 "hurr durr a second amendment wouldn't have helped
but that's the truth, if you believe untrained civilians can do the job trained militaries couldn't you're just plain stupid.

Jefferson was a fucktard and I don't think anybody should follow his centuries old ramblings without independent thought.

Also home invasions don't really happen here in first World. Youu might as well say you need guns against zombie invasion.

>if a war happens tomorrow on american soil involving a literal guerilla i will feel safe with my 22 long rifle
lmao

high-T post

But the government would crush any well regulated militia in a heartbeat

Or never face danger in the first place. But I guess it's a foreign concept to orcs like you.
Why don't you go shoot those hurricanes, it might work this time?

I've seen some try to claim that back in those days regulated meant available.

The American army keeps getting beaten in war by poorly regulated militias...

>if you believe untrained civilians can do the job trained militaries couldn't
Nigger, that's the entire doctrine behind conscript armies: you take a few weeks to teach ordinary citizens to point the shooty stick in the right direction and then throw them at the enemy.

>Jefferson was a fucktard and I don't think anybody should follow his centuries old ramblings without independent thought.
So basically the constitution shouldn't be given the value it has in America today? Alright then.

>Also home invasions don't really happen here in first World
stat.fi/til/polrik/2013/polrik_2013_2014-04-02_kat_001_en.html
I guess Finngolia isn't first world then.

Brilliant. The best way to never face danger is to take the danger.... and put it somewhere else! Funny how you'll turn this logic right on its head and then laugh at Americans who are young and healthy for not having healthcare insurance. Because you could have insurance in case you get sick, or you could just not be sick (but I guess not being sick is a foreign concept to your disease ridden steppes?).

>gun-nut
>high-T
Pretty much the opposite. Guns are ultimate cope

have sex

>So basically the constitution shouldn't be given the value it has in America today? Alright then.
Well, no, it shouldn't. It's obviously flawed beyond salvation if you look at the farce that are american politics. But can't do that when the Founding Fathers are supposedly demi-gods that never erred in their life.

>Guns are ultimate cope
Yes, they are. As the Americans say "God made man, but Colt made them equal". While the strong will always have an advantage over the weak, guns are a great equalizer. Which is why it's kind of ironic that women and soibois are the ones crying the hardest for a total ban on firearm possession. They are the ones who stand to lose the most (though they are also the ones who have the most to gain from a bigger government).

Cope

While America's deification of the founding fathers is worrying at best and retarded at worst, claiming that the US constitution should have no value is at least equally as retarded, if not twice as retarded. Because fuck legal certainity, there are amendments that hurt my feelings!

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If being able to defend myself and my home at will rather than waiting 30minutes to an hour for police to arrive and either find my corpse or all my irreplaceable things stolen is vigilantism then I am 100% okay with vigilantism

You don’t have a population of millions of violent black criminals in your country, you wouldn’t understand, stop acting like you do

I think it is based but I stillshitpost about it

are you for real ? if they have rights to carry guns it's in case their government turn into autocracy, nobody will come to teach them anything, they will be droned to hell while your rednecks will feel strong with hunting rifles lmao, absolutely pathetic.
>inb4 b-b-but we have the guts to defend ourselves instead of you surrender monkey reeeeeee
you niggers live in a constant terrorized mood since forever you forget what peace means even tho you're the people on earth experiencing wars the less, what a fucking paradox.

>being so weak you have to fling around threats of lethal force just that people take you seriously
I hope you people don't be like this.

>guns are the ultimate cope
Fact: 99.9% of hoplophobes couldn't fight their way out of a wet paper sack

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they do, people unironiclly believe holding guns make them equal for fuck sake lmao

We don’t have to register to buy guns lol

The government has no idea what guns or how many guns I own, the only know the number sold which is why they know we have about 400 million guns

>they will be droned to hel
Of course they will. Which is why the only US troops deployed in Afghanistan are drones, right? Because that's how occupations work: you just shoot everyone.

Not all of us can be Fingolians who can deflect bullets through the power of sheer autism.

That's the point. Your system is so broken that you have millions of thugs ready to do petty crime. Fix the system and you don't need to kill people personally to keep order.

He's right, the US Constitution was hastily thrown together and within Washington's first term they realised it was a mistake but by then it was too late to fix since intractable partisanship is basically written into it.
It's a catch 22, the Constitution needs to be changed because it creates a divisive psrtisan state but the Constitution can't be changed because of the divisive partisan state.

I thought you had to register it at the gun shop. Dont they take your ID info and shit like that and keep a log with gun sns etc...

>they will be droned to hell while your rednecks will feel strong with hunting rifles lmao, absolutely pathetic
Yeah. Those drones really showed those goat fuckers in Afghanistan who's boss!
Oh wait...
>you're ordering the operator to kill his own countrymen and blow up infrastructure
>you will be creating gun rights martyrs a la Waco and Ruby Ridge

>15 minutes
Maybe in NL where everything is close. You’d be lucky to have them here in 30mins. No idea what drugs a home invader is on and I’m not taking a chance with my girlfriend and dogs in the house so I am 100% of the time going to fill up any home invader with as much buckshot as my 12 gauge will hold

Europeans get mad at this thought, I don’t know why, maybe if they had as many blacks as we do they’d understand

No, I’ll feel safe with my .308 holy action, my semi auto 5.56s, my semi auto 12ga, my .45 and my subcompact 9mm

A lot safer than I would be if I were unarmed, that’s for sure

While that is true, not a single constitution accounts for partisanship. It's a horrible flaw in the system.

>You’d be lucky to have them here in 30mins
Yeah, I guess that could be the case in flyover states where your next neighbor is half a kilometer away. Which probably explains why these states have high gun ownership rates.

A federally licensed dealer has to keep records related to a background check that will show who bought a particular gun. Private sales require nothing

>drones didn't kill every afghans, it just destroyed their entire country, if it happens in the states we will fight back with our hunting rifles
lmao, you will surrender at the first sight of scratch on your million expensive house.

>lol bro just fix the system, just tell 40 million black people to stop committing crime bro, baka it’s so easy why aren’t you smart like Europeans (who have entire populations of gypsies and refugee criminals that you haven’t stopped from committing crime yet)
Imagine if 13% of your population were gypsies, tell me how you’d fix that

Would like a non-American to explain to me why this was so important to our founders....

terrorized !

They background check you, there is no state or federal gun register

This is not true, gun stores do not keep a register of who owns what nor do they report anything to the government

Terrorized? No, just ready and capable of defending myself

Are you?

>hunting rifles
That's strange, I was under the impression that I owned scary baby-murdering weapons of war.
>million expensive house
I live in an apartment. Blow me up and you'll hit my neighbors, too. See how public opinion holds up when you've caused civilian casualties.

i'm not terrorized, no, you are since you need lethal weapons to organize your own defense since you live in a very dangerous country called the usa lmao.

Are you asking a european on Jow Forums to explain your country to you?

So you agree that owning firearms is a necessity in my country? Cool, we agree then, no problems here

You don’t want the ability to defend yourself, I do, you don’t have to have guns, I want them. Good thing we live in different countries where we both have what we want. Why’s that a problem for you?

>we 're so strong, militaries can come i will shoot them off
lmao, do ericans really believe they are tough or something because they own less powered weapons than trained militaries ? kek

You keep blaming blacks but as far as I can tell the Netherlands is about 8% black and has a homicide rate of 0.55. Compare that to much whiter US states like Maine that are 1.6% black but have a homicide rate of 1.2

If it's blacks why does a state with 5 times fewer black people have a homicide rate over twice as high?

You do realize these trained professionals are routinely killed by goatherders with outdated Soviet weaponry and shodily put together IEDs, right? Do you really not understand the concept of assymetrical warfare?

no i'm sarcastic you nigger, you live in fucking peacefull country, you never knew or will know what war is, you are crybabies believing you're strong because you watched too much movies and played too much fortnite you idiot.

yes, and will americans be ok to make guerilla on their own soil ? no, afghans or irakians had nothing to lose and their country is still a shithole after decades.

>yes, and will americans be ok to make guerilla on their own soil ?
If they love liberty enough to give their lives for it, yes. Whether or not they love liberty that much I do not know. I do however know that an armed populace that does not slaughter a tyrant is consenting to being oppressed. Most people who live under a tyranny do not have the privilege of consenting to it.

Couldn’t care less. Couldn’t give a shit.

If it’s not black then why does 7% of the population (black males) commit 50% of all violent crime?

There are parts of America that are fucking Africa tier regarding violence, my city is very dangerous, it’s like 40% black

I don’t think it will ever happen, but if it did, yes I and many others would take up guerilla warfare against invaders

The more gun nutty people are ITCHING for something like that to happen and they’re the ones that own entire arsenals of guns

Yeah

See this is a good opinion, why can’t the rest of the world just not fucking care what we do in our own country, I don’t get why everyone has to stick their nose in. I couldn’t give a fuck what the rest of you do in your own countries as long as it doesn’t affect me

you don't need weapons to make a revolution.

>less powered weapons
Most of us who own guns own weapons that are way, way nicer than anything the military will issue to you unless you’re a special operator, in which case they may give you an allowance and allow you to choose. You think they’re just gonna issue $3000 rifles to infantry?

How fucking ignorant can one post be

americans always comment what europeans do or not lmao

Also ours don’t have fun switches sadly, but automatic fire is only good for suppressive fire people use semi auto or burst when actually shooting to kill people

But it doesn't hurt to have them. Unless you still fall for the meme that muh voting or muh protests will spur a revolution.
Consider your own country. You didn't vote out Marie Antoinette or boycott her, you chopped her head off.

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Because we share a 9,000km mostly open border with you and, depending on the study, between 49% and 98% (the RCMP figure of 50%-55% is likely the most accurate ) of all guns used in a crime in Canada were smuggled from the US. Since guns are now the leading cause of murder in Canada it might be nice to live next to a country that doesn't treat firearms like toys, certainly it would improve our homicide rate.

We’re not going to change our laws for you, hire more competent border security

Also let’s be real people would be stabbing each other anyway. Also you have guns

well you posted itt so it makes at least one worst.

Yes, which is why the French Revolution started with the storming of a building with guns and gunpowder stored in it. Retard.

>Unless you still fall for the meme that muh voting or muh protests will spur a revolution.
Don't the Americans say "those who make peaceful revolution impossible, make violent revolution inevitable"?

>it doesn't hurt to have them
it hurts your people since decades with homicide rates extremely higher than in similar first world countries for the possibility that a guerilla war happens in the states, you know, something pretty much impossible to happen in our modern society.

Couldn't Ghandi and MLKJ referee. Suffragettes? Or maybe Jesus, he did a lot with a mostly non violent lifestyle.

it was parisians revolting in an era with no news, of course they needed weapons, we're in 2019, your weapons are useless, i would even say that if you talk with weapons you're basically in the wrong to start with.

Speak fucking English you worthless shit