Why are Europeans against the idea of a united Europe capable of competing economically with the USA and China to put...

Why it's getting worse for them and better for us ?
Hmmmm !

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Because the rulers of the EU are literally traitors of the European peoples.

If every single one of them gets publically executed for their crimes we may talk about it again.

they arent
what you see here is fringe elements of traitors and american/chinese bootlickers
europe will be united

ein reich
ein europa

You're in the Schengen area, m8. The scum of the 3rd world can already come and go as it pleases itself.

Nobody gives a fuck about Schengen.

Tell me one positive thing - other than having a country with a high meme GDP - that would result from making a unified European nation.

If I ever see your face in my country, I will get my boys to jump you, stab you and rape your sister. Kapish?

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Do you really think western Europeans would agree with the idea of putting all the poor shitholes and advanced western Euro countries together as a single country?

Dont be so reliant on your affluent neighbors and try and learn to stand alone, m8

You answered your own question, America
Both eu and NATO are just unions made by america to make American domination easier, they dont have any say on this

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USA and PRC is filled with shitty parts.

united economies yes
united governments no
why?
because democratic participation is already a joke on national level, it won't get better if you add another layer of politicians

i have no more in common with western europoors here than in the nu-world, why would i care?
>b-but YOU will be on top!
no, some wh*te kike will be on top regardless

>because democratic participation is already a joke
so it doesn't really matter if we unite

that's to blackpilled for me gert

No, but people are always looking for something to be angry about, so that's just one more excuse to break down cooperation and go back to war, for all the good that would do us.

No
I prefer American movies

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So what do you propose instead? How do we unite AND improve democratic participation in an eu-superstate?
I apologize for this dumb c*nt

>How do we unite AND improve democratic participation in an eu-superstate?
vote /volt/
volteuropa.org/vision

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>So what do you propose instead? How do we unite AND improve democratic participation in an eu-superstate?

Who'd want to? Direct democracy is a terrible system of government. Representative "democracy" is much better and we already have that.

>I apologize
What for? Everyone else in her position would have stated exactly the same.

>Representative "democracy" is much better
No it isn't.
It's just oligarchs enriching themselves on the backs of the people.

Any monarch would have been beheaded multiple times for what the EU politicians did, but because MUH VOTING, which literally and I mean LITERALLY does nothing they are still allowed, not only to breath, but also be in power.

> received ~19k eu by Open Society Initiative for Europe
Not gonna vote for another trojan house founded by soros.

You don't know what you're talking about. We have better income equality than ever before in the history of mankind.

Go hang yourself and spare us more of your uneducated idiocy.

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Kek, can't tell whether you're serious or memeing. Representative democracy is a scheme to keep the voting cattle calm but serves only the 1%. Ever wondered why tax evasion by big cooperations is still a thing ? Even though the overwhelming majority of people is in disfavor of it. And plz dont tell me tax evasion is a good thing.

>income equality
That is not even in the top 100.000 of my priorites, in fact income inequality is certainly a good thing, most people don't deserve high wages.
It is also literally meaningless and entirely irrelevant and has no connection to my post.

I wonder how much of that equality is because of lending?

Because she's a dumb c*nt who ruined europe, and southern europe in particular. I am truly sorry dimitrios.

>Because the rulers of the EU are literally traitors of the European peoples.

This. Absolutely based.

Not good enough. Learn what it is that I am talking about and then reply again.

Oh, by the way.
The way to "solve" income inequality is to tax the shit out of the top 50 percent of earners, the actually useful people, and use that money for some bullshit projects to waste billions, while pocketing some left overs yourself.

>no arguments

I assumed it meant the breadth of the distribution of income?

Maybe but that's not the full story anyway. In any case, you don't have to apologise for things you took no part in.

Because foreign retards introduce policies that don't work for the Netherlands.

>Or maybe do you like your American masters too much?
America is pro-EU

they aren't, it's mostly just butthurt brits

delusional, we would want the EU balkanized so we can play EU cunts against each other

People would rather stick to their braindead tribalism of imagined borders from 70 to 10 years ago and get cucked by their incompetent national politicians.
They can't even agree on a unified military because they fear that someone their country didn't like 5 decades ago might be in charge

Lmao

It's not a matter of opinion or up for debate, Washington is aggressively pro-EU and always has been. Electing one idiot who has no clue what he's doing doesn't undo 60+ years of history.

Danger is relative.

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>incompetent national politicians
I don't disagree, our politicans are incompetent. However, what makes you think that magically changes as soon as we have a mega state eu?

>Balkan republic formerly united
>Y u no unite?
Crockery and burnt earth.

You are more liekly to die by beeing run over by a drunk biker wearing a clown suit then ever die by a terrorist here. We have had one (1) sucessfull terror attack in Sweden and that guy took less then ten people with him.

It would be an improvement if they're on the same level of incompetence, with an EU superstate Germany for example would have way less ability to fuck up european trade by underbidding their industrial competitors within Germany.
And an EU superstate could easily fix tax havens in Ireland, Malta and Cyprus.

>SJW in 2019

the 2017 called, they want that term back

Because we hate each other.

>We have had one (1) sucessfull terror attack
How proud must you feel
Look at this
AND your government hides certain statistics
Yes. If you live next to alligator farm you have higher risk of being attacked by an alligator.

Swedes like to invite alligators in their homes to rape their children
Canadian language police have no POWAHH here

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Yet you have the second-highest per capita homicide rate in the EU.

The Scottish Borders are not poor at all.

Hmmm, I don't see you point how incompetence at the top benefits the general populace. Sounds more like the peter-principle to me desu, see en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_principle
Also fixing of tax havens only works if lobbyism is cut down which I don't see happening.

Dutch politicians are a lot more competent than EU politicians. We can make quick decisions here if it's necessary and come to quick solutions. People can talk to politicians on the street. And journalists can address them in the hallways of the parliament building. Politicians explain themselves in the media. And compromise with opponents..

babbies first Jow Forums post

Yeah, we have seen a big increase in people from the baltics stealing our shit, but that doesnt mean Sweden is a warzone.

And European Commissioners would have already been sent home if they were Dutch ministers, if they were caught lying or a slight sign of corruption.

Gigacope. Sweden is still better than Latvia in every way

YOU RACIST.
...now about that statistic - we need to get to number one , but we don't want to import mudslime rapists....what 2 dooo?
Yes, we doo love to steal....BUT we leave your underage children and goats alone .

Things are only getting worse for you my Swedish fren !

I would rather live in Sweden or France than fucking Latvia.

Because centralization sucks. Why would I ever want a bunch of people who has never been in my country, who knows nothing of my local culture, and has no idea what life is like in my region dictate to me how I have to live, while wasting billions upon billions on an inefficient wasteful bureaucracy that is already to big for it's own good?
We don't need more of this shit, we need less. This shit has been going on since the fucking Bronze Age. We need to stop. Damn.

As it is now, the EU gets a mixed bag of politicians since political parties see more benefits in keeping their best politicians within their countries as they can exert more power.
A power shift towards a european superstate almost guarantees that competent politicians will seek to rise to the most powerful political constructs. And fixing tax havens is unrelated to lobbyism. The EU itself at least could have acted if it had any power over tax legislation.

I almost believe you're working for a politician, your post is completely void of any meaningful information, yet it sounds competent.

And it seems you 4th world shitgoblin came directly from Jow Forums as you realized there were other boards on Jow Forums(nel). Who are you to talk shit about muzzies if you're literally poorer and more crime ridden than any muslim country

Yes and no. Sweden for me it's like watching a spoiled kid driving his fathers car through mud

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Fuck M*Mber St*Tes desu

Yeah just like that pathetic Disjellbloem who lied about his education.

because we have nothing in common

The Netherlands is run like a city where everyone knows each other.
The EU is run like some continent where nobody wants to talk to each other. And policies are made that go directly against our values.

In our constitution it says that nobody needs prior permission to publish information. And then EU retards come with upload filters and fighting fake news, despite that nobody can point out any fake news in the Netherlands.

Well, it could be the most competent politicians or the most corrupt which get all the gibs from lobbyists. I don't think that a competent politician will rise above municipal level if he doesnt have the connections to finance huge election campaigns. In turn an incompetent bloke will rise if he's just corrupt enough, see Berlusconi. Or , for example, the situation in the us. I think we need more and stronger tools of direct democracy.

Because they suffer from the same divisions that the 13 colonies once did. Nobody likes being lorded over by someone different than their own people in some distant land. Mind you this only changed after they fought a world war against the French and the British started applying thumb screws, so you can imagine what it would take to push a centralized Europe to form.

>muh culture
>muh life in the region
And you really think the politicians who now pass laws in your name know anything about your life or struggles or have ever known them?

You can thank nationalists and conservatives for our upload filters. And I don't think all of the Netherlands is homogenous.

I've already been involved in municipial politics and it's the same shit on a smaller scale. Direct democracy will only lead to older people getting being able to cast their vote on every shit without being informed, see Switzerland.

>And you really think the politicians who now pass laws in your name know anything about your life or struggles or have ever known them?
No. Which is why we need less of this. Not more. I don't want my life to be ruled by people in Stockholm who only ever leaves to city to go on holiday, and neither do I want some random Portuguese or Bulgarian guy who gets Sweden and Switzerland confused tell me what's best for my community.

Only 1 in 9 political parties voted in favor.

Our current Prime Minister refuses to hold a nexit referendum here, because the EU has already lost every possible referendum here. But the biggest party in the Dutch polls, who has also won the senate elections a few weeks ago, wants a Nexit referendum.

Wur does it mean when some faggot posts from under a macedonian flag?

Is it gayreek? Is it a turkroach? Ia it an arap? So many possibilities.

Get ready for them to change their minds as soon as they get into real power as it happened everywhere else

>biggest party in the Dutch polls
Which is?

The Forum voor Democratie (Forum for Democracy). A new alt right party that was founded in 2017. Of Mr Frog here.

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Let me interject for a second .
>muh culture
>muh life in the region
So this is not important TO YOU, but is important for others.
>You can thank nationalists and conservatives for our upload filters
Please enlighten me with Libfacts !
>I've already been involved in municipial politics
Blogs? Petitions for removal of offensive Hapsburg statue or shit like that?
>lead to older people getting being able to cast their vote
How undemocratic and evil !

Jesus friend. You sound like toootal MIlenial bro ! Like OMG !

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Show some respect for our new Makedon best frens

>new alt right party that was founded in 2017
And they're leading already? Good. Are they pro Nexit or mild Eurosceptics?

Factually false

Didn't even read, Jow Forumstranny

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The leader wants us to leave entirely. But they want to hold a referendum about it first.

Dutch political parties.

Not foreigners who we can't even vote for and don't even talk to us.

This, we should totally get over the fact that all of the Balkan and EE states that are not on the EU are failed corrupt cleptocracies populated by borderline mentally impaired people where 1k euros can make a murder charge go away. Together we are stronger. After that we should also include North Africa while we're at it

Shit my bad I thought OP was talking about letting all euro states into the eu

Would you rather try to live without the EU?

Are all Austrians really are cunts then.

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I'm afraid we're being held in a stranglehold, but I'm going to vote to get out.

Plz don't fall for the propaganda trick "if you abolish EU because of bad thing X you also loose god things Y and Z". We can keep the parts where the eu works (mostly economical) and remove the parts which are a mess (mostly political). Why ? Because before lissabon it was like this.

>Would you rather try to live without the EU?
The eu isn't some holy totem.

You are not being held in stranglehold, you are one of the greatest defenders of the European Union. IF the EU would cease to exist, literally not 15min later the Netherlands, Belgium, Germany, France etc. would just form a new union. Deal with it.