Why do Nordics look like this?
Why do Nordics look like this?
Joshua Diaz
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Isaac Adams
i don't know but i don't like it
Robert Jenkins
evolutionary pressures
why do bantoids look like this?
Joseph Ward
They just want to be your friend Conor
Robert Brown
I1 haplogroup
Ryder Mitchell
>like this?
based?
Jaxson Ward
Were racially of Upper Paleolithic origin, not Indo-European steppeshits like the woman in the photo.
Gavin Campbell
Care to elaborate Svetovid?
Julian Morris
strong facial bone structure from the hunter-gatherers that had to eat roots and other hard food
Zachary Flores
There was not a single allele for blond hair found among European samples until late Mesolithic and settlement of IE precursors (EHG) from the East (forefathers of the girl in the photo). Moreover, the earliest confirmed allele for blond hair comes from Siberian hunter-gatherer Afontova Gora 3 (15.000 B.C.), not from anywhere in Europe. All untainted IE cultures (Corded Ware, Andronovo, etc.) were also found to be predominantly blond-haired and blue-eyed. And modern Scandinavians have nothing to do, in sense of physical anthropology, with European natives - that is more than self-evident, considering how they craniometrically, as a group, are nothing akin to Upper Palaeolithic natives, but most commonly are of "Nordic"-type spectrum typical of IE settlers. They do not even have 1% total of combined Y-DNA lineages (I2a1b, I2a1a-L1287, and few others) which Mesolithic natives of Scandinavia carried. Even the haplogroup I1, which evolved as an offshoot of some I2 haplogroup, evolved in the early Neolithic, and as such, has nothing to do with the person in the photo.
1. Oldest genes for blond hair were found in Afontova Gora 3 specimen from Upper Palaeolithic Siberia, mostly ANE-derived.
2. EHG of Mesolithic Russia (ANE-derived to good extent, R1 carriers), as direct precedents to more massive IE migrations from east which would come later, were universally blond and light eyed (such as Samara).
Nothing Hunter-Gatherer on her whatsoever.
Jaxson Cooper
Do you have any self awareness?
Kayden Clark
>A 2014 study reported seven Mesolithzic hunter-gatherers found at Motala, southern Sweden, dated to 7,700 years ago, as the earliest known individuals in whom the modern Scandinavian phenotype, combining light skin, blue eyes and blond hair, was combined. These individuals had light skin gene alleles in SLC24A5 and SLC45A2, and HERC2/OCA2 alleles associated with blue eyes (also contributes to lighter skin and blond hair).[34] Light pigmentation traits had thus already existed in pre-Indo-European Europeans, since at least the later Mesolithic.[35]
Asher Martin
If you're going to quote something, then at least have the decency to do it properly. Here is what the entire study in question has to say:
"Motala hunter-gatherers were admixed with EHG (main Mesolithic precusors of IE, ANE-derived to a great degree) which came from the east over northern part of Scandinavia which connects it to Finland, that's why they had a few alleles for blond hair, but the vast majority of them was still dark haired. Namely, Motala2, Motala3, Motala4 and Motala12 were all dark-haired (Torsten Günther et al. 2017), while only Motala1 and Motala6 exhibited some alleles for lighter-shaded hair, but not a *full set*, therefore it is highly improbable that even their hair was purely blond. Moreover, it is symptomatic that purest individuals, i.e. with least EHG admixture (like Motala12, with mere 12%) show no alleles at all for blond hair. Not to mention that all Mesolithic Europeans unadmixed with EHG/ANE from the east were exclusively dark-haired, as was demonstrated, and in earlier times (Upper Palaeolithic) exclusively dark-eyed as well. To add to all of that, even without genetic studies it was certain and known in physical anthropology long ago, as not a single native European skeletal remnant could be classified as being of Nordic type, which was already present in the EHG and brought by Indo-Europeans.”
You're not native to this continent, nor to Scandinavia.
William Hernandez
>You're not native to this continent, nor to Scandinavia.
Okay what am I then?
Julian Martinez
Depends on your phenotype, but in terms of palpable genetics, most Northern Europeans are of the Indo-European racial variety, and have arrived to Europe for the first time in the Eneolithic era.
Ryder Cox
snow niggas that ate lots of meat and grew large to kill manlets
Anthony Green
Only homo neanderthalensis is native to europe, you dumb arab.
Nicholas Butler
I'm 191cm, dark blond hair and blue eyes I don't really care about the rest but hold on...so u b saying that we IZ NOT native to Europe?
Jace Ward
Highly unlikely for me to be Arab, for I'm phenotypically of the Upper Paleolithic (Cromagnon) type, and we don't know that about the Neanderthals for sure, for they were spread out in parts of the Middle East, Africa and Asia as well.
Thomas Smith
So you are saying the Cro Magnon isn't a thing?
Joseph James
I not just be saying, but stating an overlooked anthropological and genetic fact. Also, since you're posting stats (I'm also sitting on 15% bodyfat)
Chase Cox
Genetics doesn't make you arab. Being an ottoman rapebaby makes you arab.
Michael Barnes
Not at all, but Cromagnons were universally dark-haired and coupled with great bodily and head dimensions, unlike this woman and the rest of her kind.
Eli Allen
No one in the Balkans clusters with Turkish populations.
Easton Gonzalez
nice Jewish science bro
Ayden Jenkins
Paleolithic and Mesolithic men were large chromagnones with strong bones due to their adaptation to the extremely cold temperatures of the Ice Age. It has been argued that the submitted specimen could never have survived the glacial temperatures of the Ice Age due to its graceful anatomy. But we must remember that according to the theory, the white Nordic would be a mutation much later than the Cromagnon.
It is also noted that the specimen is leptomorph and leptoprosopo (long facial index), and that there is no evidence of leptomorphic and leptoprosopic skulls in Europe until the Neolithic. It is argued that these characteristics would have been carried by Aurignacid individuals from the Middle East and North Africa only during the Neolithic migrations, thousands of years later.
However, Homo sapiens from the archaeological site of Combe-Capelle in southern France has auriginous leptomorphic features and has been dated to 7500 BCE in the epipaleolithic period, that is, about 9500 years ago. In fact, 'Auriñaciense' is the name of an Upper Palaeolithic archaeological culture associated with a part of the findings of the Cromagnon Man.
Mason Perry
Saying that he isn't Scandinavian or of this continent is just plain wrong and nonsensical
Joshua Russell
Her face is so fucked up, I can't say what exactly
Eli Perez
Seethe more, steppeshit.
>Upper Palaeolithic archaeological culture associated with a part of the findings of the Cromagnon Man.
The difference being that their length of face of those Cromagnon specimens was mediated by sheer vertical growth and size, not narrowness of facial dimensions (unlike among Neolithic and Nordid phenotypes). In every other aspect, those longer-faced Cromagnons were still (fully) racially Cromagnon. In short, Nordids have nothing in common with Cromagnons, neither morphologically, dimensionally or in terms of pigmentation.
Henry Kelly
No it isn't, since his kind aren't native to this continent, they've arrived here via migration, from the steppes of Asia, where the genes and alleles for their quintessential blond features and smaller head and body dimensions were originally developed. Besides, I've provided facts and photos that contain information that are proof of what I'm saying.
Adrian Bailey
yeah that may be Sir but you're still a manlet, check and mate
Camden Lee
Smaller heads are eastron features!
Luke Sanders
manlets are shorter than 175, as I recall.
Kayden Clark
Compare them to the right
Jackson Butler
both have shit head dimensions, it just so happens that the guy in the left is somewhat narrower than the East Baltic Pekkson on the right.
Jacob Myers
It is the oldest Homo sapiens of the European continent and its dating (40,000 years old) is taken as the starting point of the Upper Paleolithic. The geologist Louis Lartet discovered the first five skeletons in March 1868 in the cave of Cro-Magnon (near Les Eyzies de Tayac-Sireuil, Dordogne, France), from which they get their name. The scientific community today accepts that the only reasonable candidate for the paternal lineage of the Cro-Magnon and the majority of hunter-gatherers of the European Upper Palaeolithic, is the haplogroup IJ, from which the I was born, for which the Cro-Magnon Man is predecessor direct genetic of the current white nordid human subspecies, and constitutes the human type of the first white men.
A 28,000-year-old Cro-Magnon DNA sequence was obtained from fossil bones discovered in the Paglicci cave in Italy. The results show that the DNA is identical to the DNA sequences of certain modern Europeans. Therefore, they claim that the DNA sequence has remained almost unchanged for 28,000 years. This, of course, confirms that the Cro-Magnon Man was an anatomically "modern" individual who also had more strength and a greater brain capacity, and probably also more intelligent
Carson Campbell
I personally don't see people as humans, but ''other'' if they don't fill this
Robert Davis
>for which the Cro-Magnon Man is predecessor direct genetic of the current white nordid human subspecies
Categorically false, the Cromagnon man is unrelated to the Nordid phenotype, since the Nordid phenotype was introduced to Europe ONLY in the Eneolithic era during and with the migration of the Proto-Indo-Europeans, and it's genetic representatives are the haplogroups of the R1a and R1b variety, they've nothing in common with any of the I haplogroups, so I'm not sure what you're trying to say.
Again, every single Cromagnon reconstruction shows them to be universally dark-haired and mostly dark-eyed, matter of fact, modern representatives of the Cromagnon man (like myself, for example), are proof of that unchanged genetic and anthropological continuity. In terms of dimensions, shape, genetics and pigmentation, the Cromagnons are categorically unrelated to the Nordid phenotype. Since you're ignoring what I've posted, let me refresh your memory with this image. The photos I've posted earlier, the ones you've ignored, provide direct, genetic and anthropological proof of that.
>The results show that the DNA is identical to the DNA sequences of certain modern Europeans.
Yes, of the bearers of any of the I2 haplogroups, including myself, I'm a confirmed bearer of the haplogroup I2a1b.
Jaxson Martinez
>for which the Cro-Magnon Man is predecessor direct genetic of the current white nordid human subspecies
Categorically false, the Cromagnon man is unrelated to the Nordid phenotype, since the Nordid phenotype was introduced to Europe ONLY in the Eneolithic era during and with the migration of the Proto-Indo-Europeans, and the genetic representatives of the Nordid phenotype are the haplogroups of the R1a and R1b variety, they've nothing in common with any of the I haplogroups, so I'm not sure what you're trying to say.
Again, every single Cromagnon reconstruction shows them to be universally dark-haired and mostly dark-eyed, matter of fact, modern representatives of the Cromagnon man (like myself, for example), are proof of that unchanged genetic and anthropological continuity. In terms of dimensions, shape, genetics and pigmentation, the Cromagnons are categorically unrelated to the Nordid phenotype. Since you're ignoring what I've posted, let me refresh your memory with this image. The photos I've posted earlier, the ones you've ignored, provide direct, genetic and anthropological proof of that.
>The results show that the DNA is identical to the DNA sequences of certain modern Europeans.
Yes, of the bearers of any of the I2 haplogroups, including myself, I'm a confirmed bearer of the haplogroup I2a1b.
Elijah Torres
the block head is on the right, is it your type?
Alexander Russell
No, the "blockhead" is East Baltic, unlike him, my skull is both prodigally wide and long, while his is just wider than the average head (which isn't much), and lacking in other dimensions as well.
David Walker
Real eyes realize Nordic lies
Sebastian Mitchell
So you by your logic and 'facts' the real nordids were BTFO by the nordids of today despite being smaller physically and less smart?
Lmao
Jackson Lopez
The blockhead on Is the cro-magnon influence, not east baltoid
Noah Nelson
Now when you go deeper, these baltoids/east-baltoids are just the reduced variants of these cro-magnons.
This guy is the result
Jose Lopez
Paraphrasing me instead of articulating a coherent counterargument? Typical Vargshit drone. Also, you're confusing terminology, the term "Nordic" is a geographical and cultural demonym, while "Nordid" is a racial or anthropological term. Also anthropologists refer to pre-Indo-European and pre-Neolithic inhabitants of Scandinavia as either Western Hunter-Gatherers, Cromagnons or just as "Ancient Northern Europeans", to denote the fact that there is no genetic or racial continuity between them, and the newly arrived Neolithic men and the Indo-Europeans (Nordids).
>by the nordids of today despite being smaller physically and less smart?
They didn't beat them, they've just vastly outnumbered them, spread diseases to which the Cromagnons didn't have immunity to (not at that time, at least), and were outbreeding them at a significant rate. It didn't help them that their population was already low in Scandinavia to begin with (at least in comparison to the invading Proto-Indo-Europeans (racial Nordids).
No it isn't, since his dimensions are simply too small for any Cromagnon intrusion, his brachycephaly is also mediated through the flatness of his head, while brachycephalic Cromagnons are brachycephalic due to excessive width of head, while still retaining a curved or long occiput.
Lincoln Martinez
I think I finally got what you are trying to say but it is still heavily incoherent
The white nordid race is associated to the paternal lineages (Y-DNA): I (I1, I1b, I2a, I2b, etc.). It is believed that there is a possibility that I2 lineages are armenian and not nordic-white. Their maternal lineages (mtDNA) are U, K. Not all U sublines are nordic-white, it is thought that many of them (the oldest ones mainly), could be armenian.
The lineage J raises some questions regarding its ascription to the Armenian race (green); it is possible that it belongs to some pseudo-Nordic race. It is thought that perhaps the I and the I2 might not be white, but rather armenic, although this hypothesis has a problem, because if the Cro-Magnon already had fundamentally white Nordic features and was of an IJ lineage, it could not have harmonized descendants. It is also believed that it is possible that the I2b1 was Nordic-red. The J could have belonged originally to a pseudo-red race, which would suppose some nexus
Gavin Mitchell
In a sense, yes, since the East Baltic is a "composite phenotype", comprised chiefly of Hallstatt Nordid and Ladogan racial elements, with varying degrees of unreduced Cromagnon intrusions, although the guy in the photo is deprived of them.
Xavier Green
Cro-magnons are nearly all reduced types, a completely lost case if you ask me
While nordids, mediterranids and a few intermediaries are actually preserved throughout generations :)
Juan Kelly
It's heavily incoherent only to you, either due to your limited knowledge of molecular biology and physical anthropology, or due to your own limited understanding of the English language. And again, racial Nordids have only carried two types of haplogroups, the haplogroup R1a, and the haplogroup R1b, and have only appeared in Europe in the late Neolithic (Eneolithic) era. This is a genetic, anthropological and even paleo-historical facts. Prior to the invasion of the Proto-Indo-Europeans, there was not a single Nordid skull to be found anywhere in Europe.
>(Y-DNA): I (I1, I1b, I2a, I2b)
Those paternal lineages vastly predate the arrival, or the formation of the Nordid race, the Cromagnons were, and still are, categorically unrelated to Nordids. What I've written here are facts, corroborated by actual physical anthropologists and molecular biologists, and unlike you, I only deal in absolute truths, hence why, unlike you, I don't deal in ambiguous absolutes and "maybes" and "possibilities". Besides, retard, the macro haplogroup I2, was the first to split from the now-long extinct haplogroup I, predating the haplogroup I by a couple of tens of thousands of years, so again, I'm not sure what you're trying to say.
Grayson Barnes
My own phenotype is proof that such postulation is not the case, I'm a representative of the unreduced Cromagnon race, and quite frankly, our population isn't even that low to begin with, just outnumbered by others.
Caleb Green
To add even more spice to the discussion
Point in case: Guanches of the Canary Islands
What does the Encycloepedia Britanica said about this natives found in the 14th century? We'll see
The Guanches are the mysterious natives of the Canary Islands. They were conquered by the Spaniards during the turn of the 15th century. Tall, blond and blue-eyed, the Guanches have long intrigued the anthropologists, for blond natives are rarity. According to the reliable Encyclopedia Britannica, the Guanches "are thought to have been of Cro-Magnon origin... and had a brown complexion, blue or gray eyes, and blondish hair."
Indeed, the Guanches are deemed to be related to the Berbers of neighboring Morocco, who are, likewise, tall, blond and blue-eyed when unmixed with the Arab majority. Other specialists, however, believe that the Guanches are related to the Celts of Western Europe, the early realm of these races. No matter what, the Guanches represent a unique opportunity of studying the early peoples of this region.
Isolated in their islands, the Guanches were prevented, until the advent of the Spanish, from sexually mingling with other races. So, they preserved their pristine Cro-Magnon genetic traits in a more or less pure fashion until that date. But, as we said, the Guanches were conquered by the Spaniards, and many if not all mingled heavily with the Spanish invaders. The blond, blue-eyed, tall stock has been preserved in part, and can still be seen in many individuals. As is known, blond traits are dominated by dark ones, and tend to disappear from the population. But they survive unseen, and may return in certain individuals called "recessives", who combine the proper genes.
Michael Sullivan
It's really easy to see which features can melt away, and cro-magnon types have this major problem.
The result, is the horrible intermediaries between cro-magnon and the mongoloid
Jordan Foster
Instead of adding spice, how about you add some actually coherent counterargument, or god forbid, some facts?
And again, the most known and best preserved Cromagnon sites were tested for alleles for blond hair, and none were positive for genes for blond hair. We're talking of chronologically consistent results throughout the ages, not just one particular age, results which have translated rather well into modernity.
Dylan Carter
Not bothering anymore dude. You were wrong the moment you called a modern swede a "fake scandinavian" and "not of this continent"
SeeAnd have fun trying to solve the puzzle
Mason Ortiz
No, I called him not native to Europe or Scandinavia, since his forefathers arrived to Europe in the Eneolithic era, and you're "not gonna bother anymore" since you've no arguments at your disposal, just empty data.
>And have fun trying to solve the puzzle
Solved already.
Jonathan Wood
We unreduced Cromagnons don't have that problem, although it may arise if we interbreed with neotenized phenotypes, like Alpinids and Neo-Danubians.
And again (yet again), comparison of Cromagnons and Nordids, the Nordids aren't just completely unrelated and alien to us Cromagnons, but are also childish in dimensions (our children and women mogg then by default).
Samuel Price
Those alpinids and neo-danubians are a result of cro-magnon being weak recessive phenotyped peoples
But best lock to you.
Luke Ross
Yeah bro we get it you wuz the original europeans and shieeet thats why you got BTFO by foreigners. Cuck
Pic related the book that destroys forever all you know about the "Cro magnon". Read it before you die
Easton Wood
Here is what the entire study in question has to say:
Those sentences (which aren't written in a particularly scientific style) don't appear in the study, apparently you just wrote it yourself you little bullshitter. lol
Jackson Foster
>solved already
Woah wheres your anthropology award then? Go shock the world with your finding that no one has discovered yet! Cuck
Caleb Morales
Neo-Danubians arose as a result of the mixing between the Ladogans and the Danubian Mediterranean population (who were rather gracile), and it should also be noted that the reason why Ladogans are somewhat reduced is because they're the result of minor-to-moderate Mongoloid intrusions into the Cromagnon racial spectrum.
> a result of cro-magnon being weak recessive phenotyped peoples
I'm pretty sure that leading physical anthropologists have all noted that Cromagnons are peak representatives of exaggerated sexual dimorphism, lack of neoteny, mature morphology and great dimensions, which is the opposite of what you've proposed.
Chase Wood
Leading anthropologists haven't noticed the increase of small hedas with sloping foreheads amongst europeans?
Well I have after some research, because with the square jaw / head that usually follows.
Elijah Collins
I'd rather stick to the works of men like Carleton Coon, who were actual physical anthropologists of great renown, him even being referred to as the "Last Great Physical Anthropologist". And no one got back the fuck off'd, just vastly outnumbered, it's what happens when a superior entity is bogged down by a myriad of lesser ones, but with greater numbers.
I've said, and I quote, "here is what the entire study in question has to say", this isn't bullshitting, but the summarizing of a rather expansive study, I'd have written more, but there is a writing limit on this image board. You're more than welcome to double-check everything I've said, since I've provided an additional corroboration in the form of the "Torsten Günther et al. 2017" study, which, in it's own right, is just a further corroboration and detailed explanation of the study the Swedeshit referred to.
> world with your finding that no one has discovered yet
What I've written here are empirically deduced facts, thus fully known of in the academic world, don't dabble in things you know nothing of.
Connor Davis
>b-b-but we were outnumbered!!!
>we wuz the real evropeansssss a;hhhhhhh and scandiss
>our powerful dark men n[oooooooooo!!!!
Brody Gonzalez
Such passive-aggressiveness is unsuitable for a Pekka.
>Leading anthropologists haven't noticed the increase of small heads with sloping foreheads among Europeans
Blame phenotypes with small heads, and stop moving goal posts.
>Well I have after some research, because with the square jaw / head that usually follows.
Having square jaws doesn't make a person Cromagnon, when addressing someone' phenotype, one most carefully take into account the full extent of a person' biology.
Xavier King
It makes him de-facto cro-magnon, and usually intermediary for the mongoloid type.
In the rare case he is not the intermediary, but here comes the fact of sexual selection.
And small heads come from the intermediary, the person who has it has failed to select for the unreduced type.
Benjamin Lee
Ahem step aside. Fag
Guanche and Canario, any of the aboriginal peoples inhabiting, respectively, the western and eastern groups of the Canary Islands when first encountered by the conquering Spaniards at the beginning of the 15th century. Both populations are thought to have been of Cro-Magnon origin and may possibly have come from central and southern Europe via northern Africa in some distant age. Both aboriginal groups had brown complexion, blue or gray eyes, and blondish hair, and these characteristics still persist in a large number of present inhabitants of the islands, but otherwise they are scarcely distinguishable in appearance or culture from the people of Spain.
Neither original group now exists as a separate race, but the name Canarios is now applied to all present residents.
-Encyclopaedia britannica
Angel Howard
It's amusing how Vargdrones and alt-right brainlets operate with the same modus operandi, and always post shitty Pepes when they lose an argument, as a form of damage control.
:)
If you cannot address facts, or at least bother to formulate a coherent counterargument, then don't bother responding, also, didn't you say that you're "not gonna bother anymore"?
Brody Thompson
let me redpill you kid
Josiah Jones
Pro-tip: If you're writting a summary yourself, you don't use quotation mark. You only use those to mark a quote (duh).
>You're more than welcome to double-check everything I've said
I did and the two studies in the wiki citation marks did not mention what you claimed. tl;dr you're a bullshitter