'Scotland's First Minister Nicola Sturgeon says #IndyRef2 should happen before end of current parliament in 2021, saying it is "our route to avoiding the worst of the damage #Brexit will do"'
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>ur cunt
>how will you celebrate Scotland winning its independence from its colonial overlords?
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revive the auld alliance
more clearances are in order
Fuck off, Paddy “A shag wee boys till they’re dying” O’Brien.
>the anglo social parasite
"bu-but WE'RE the TRUE scots!" whines the little Brit bootkisser.
Thank you, friend. I look forward to our future of mutual prosperty as EUROPEAN nations.
is there a scottish minister that isn't named after a fish?
Don’t you have a giro to collect?
Drink a nice glenmorangie in your honor
No, because being salty is part of Scottish identitty.
Restore the rightful ruler of both countries
Spen will ban that you auto join the EU, you'll be after Turkey and Albania, yes it is because Catalonia and Basque Country :^)
Don't you have a Bank of England note to wank over?
Someone had better tell your government.
>BUT AT WHAT COST AT FUCKIN THATCHER
Fuck up. You’ll still be a scrounging loser whether we’re in the UK or not. Go munch on a pizza crunch and die of a stroke already, you fat fenian subhuman.
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that's why I said auto join and not join
Cause it's got the Queen on it. State of you Britnats, honestly.
The only real No voters are daft old cunts and Orange Order schemies. Enjoy being a dying breed.
Oh. I thought that was what you were saying, but then it seemed pretty dumb so I thought maybe the joke was more involved than that.
Guess not.
Anyhow there's chances that they'll be out this weekend
If we meet the criteria, we'll join. Simple as.
Good riddance
>Britnats
Wait, is there really British "nationalism"? How is that possible? They want to turn the union into a single state?
>55% of Scotland is daft old cunts and Orange Order schemies
Not in a state to leave then.
After all the other cunts ofc, you'll be at best 5 years out of the EU
>MFW we get a hard border with Ireland AND Scotland
A dream come true.
>I-I was only pretending not to understand.
Sad.
Aw man, you don't know the half of it.
We don't have to wait behind any other countries. If we meet the criteria, we join.
Cope harder, britburka
>We don't have to wait behind any other countries. If we meet the criteria, we join.
that was what Turkey was saying 15 years ago :^)
Turkey isn't in the EU because the UK lobbied against it, and because of frequent human rights/free speech violations that go against the criteria for joining. Not because they had to wait for Croatia to join first.
Does Scotland even deserve independence when they voted NO the last time they had the opportunity?
Different Scotland. A lot of the peopled who voted no last time were old, a lot of them are probably dead by now.
>tfw you will see Scotland become independent in your life
>tfw you will see Northern Ireland annexed by Ireland in your life
>tfw you will se Britain become a crumbling economic disaster, seething about its former glory
Truely the greatest timeline
Based Germanon
basée
why does this fag hate scotland
Based.
>Scotland
>I'll move to England
Don't let the door hit you on the way out.
what would its government be? a socialist republic?
We're going to be setting up citizens conventions to hammer out a constitution.
fucking snp won't take the matter to a court and get them to say outright that scotland doesn't need permission from westminster to hold another referendum
all this waffling about won't do anything ffs
at least I got dubs, you pretentious fenian faggot
Even if Westminster says no, we can do a Catalonia and hold an unofficial referendum.
If we get a Yes vote with a good enough turnout, we probably wouldn't even need to declare independence unilaterally, they might just fold.
Even then, who the fuck knows who's going to be in power by the time it happens.
If I seem pretentious, it's only because I'm not a cuck bootkisser like yourself, you sad little Brit.
>Scottish nats aren't pretentious
Keep LARPing, Paddy
That's a really big risk, though
support for independence hasn't actually risen appreciably despite everything going wrong for the union, and if we do a catalonia spain WILL veto, unless they have a civil war again and get kicked out the eu
the tam is pretty based tho
Aye, but these fuckers just watched Braveheart and think they're geniuses because their mum told them about how horrible Thatcher was.
They'd be basederer if they weren't on Irish LARPers.
I'm not sure you know what that word means.
>YOU CAN STICK YOUR INDEPENDENCE UP YOUR ARSE
I think most peoplehave simply been waiting to see how Brexit actually turns out. Once we get a resolution, and once the reality of the situation sets in I think we can and will see some big shifts, particularly with a competent campaign.
I think it's incredibly unlikely we'd actually do a Catalonia desu.
We don't think we're geniuses. We just think we're smarter than you, because we don't support the monarchy, Brexit, or Sevco.
>RULE FUCKIN BRITANNIA YA FUCKIN BASTARDS
>We just think we're smarter than you
You got the original vid?
I'd agree with you, but the events of the last half decade have shown beyond doubt that the voting population is willing to believe anyone telling them that what they voted for is actually the fault of the EU
Still, I hope you're right
The English voting population, maybe.
The only reason we have a Tory government right now is because Scotland decided to do exactly what they've always accused England of and voted Tory.
"Si l’Ecosse décide de quitter le Royaume-Uni, elle a toute sa place au sein de l’Union Européenne, sans délais et sans conditions.
La France ne doit pas répéter les erreurs de 2014 et doit ouvrir la porte à nos amis écossais."
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Based French allies.
Utter nonsense.
We have a Tory government because England voted for them in a landslide, and they got over the line by going into an unofficial coalition with the DUP.
hardly
the SNP won a landslide that was unsustainable and honestly shouldn't have been that big of a win in the first place, just a ridiculous outcome that still sounds far too good for the SNP to be true
the tories, lib dem and labour regaining seats in the last elections and probably in the ones coming are just things normalising
Not to say that they deserve those votes, but it's how it is
Most of the polls I've seen suggest Lab and the Tories losing seats in Scotland.
The loss in 2017 was probably more down to complacent SNP voters after the landslide last time. Our turnout was slightly lower than normal, if I recall.
But England always votes Tory, Scotland never does, and always unsults England for doing it.
At the last election they got the largest number of votes they've ever gotten in Scotland, by a long, long way.
If those votes hadn't gone to the Tories, they wouldn't have been able to make a governemt, even with the DUP.
hopefully, but a centre right government would take a harder line on this specific issue than sanchez though
The Tories wouldn't have gotten in if it wasn't due to overwhelming English support and the DUP. They picked up some votes in Scotland, but were still comfortably beaten by the SNP. End of.
>hey picked up some votes in Scotland
Yeah, fucking 12 instead of 1.
Scotland has forever lost it's right to accuse England of letting the Tories in. This time it was your fault.
Not to mention Scotland voted Labour almost as much as it voted Tory.
Bull. Fucking. Shit.
The Tories are an English party, elected by England, representing English interests. No amount of FPTP bullshit will change that.
We get the government England wants. England wants a right wing government, so we got a right wing government.
Actual, literal COPE.
This is why I have absolutely no fucking respect for Scots, you're a country of lying, snivelling, backstabbing cowards.
What do you Scottish lads think of this article?
>you're a country of lying, snivelling, backstabbing cowards
You're lot are like a dysfunctional family lol
Prove me wrong you mewling shit.
Stop blaming us for the party your country voted for. Especially when your opposition damn well told its Scottish supporters to vote Tory to keep the SNP out.
people in Scotland think you are part of their family
>At one point, the First Minister travelled to London to make the case for what effectively formed the basis of Tory backbencher, Nick Boles’ Norway Plus model, which envisaged that Britain could leave the EU but remain in the single market.
>But when that proposal eventually got to the House of Commons some Scottish National Party MPs refused to back it.
The SNP abstained, which is markedly different to voting against it
they also put up a movement to do exactly what parliament had voted to do ie take no deal off the table by making the default fallback no brexit rather than no deal, which failed because of l*bour
Boles' idea didn't protect EU citizens in scotland nor vice versa, nor did it ensure free movement, or anything that the SNP has put down as one of the hardline "we need this" since to remove it would be to condemn scotland to a slow death of workforce drain
Why is Sturgeon do fucking thirsty for an independent Scotland? I honestly believe she exclusively masturbates to Mel Gibson's Braveheart. It is no longer a political stance for her, it's an obsession that won't die.
All I can figure is that she is an overly ambitious and aggressively vain person who really wants to go down in history as "the Mother of Scotland," and the first president of the Scottish nation. She wants it so fucking bad that she is blind to any instability, costs, or consequences, her ambition might cause.
Why can't Scots see her for what she is?
>it's the SNP's fault labour told their base to vote for the tories
England is kinda like an abusive alcoholic.
"Why aren't you saving us from my own poor choices, you selfish cunt?"
what
Spoken like a try pseudo-Yank.
>Why can't Scots see her for what she is?
Nationalism is a hell of a drug, and the Jocks are raised from birth to resent their English ***oppressors****.
It's an easy gimmick to get elected on up there.
God knows what she'll do if they ever do go independant, since it's pretty obvious she never thinks it'll actually happen.
>t. blind jock
>Still doesn't have an answer for
I already gave you your answer. Tactical voting, and complacency amongst SNP voters after 2017's landslide.
There is also the fact that the independence debate has given the Scottish Tories a concrete purpose: Unionism. They are, far more than the Lib Dems or Labour, the party of British nationalism/Unionism in Scotland.
The Tories aren't genuinely taking ground for any reason other than the fact Scottish politics is becoming polarised. It's a reactionary backlash. And from the polls I've seen, they're going to have a hard time keeping that ground in the context of Brexit.
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yikes
Not an argument.
So;
>Scotland voting Tory = Unionism, good
>England voting Tory = Evil oppression, independance now!!!
Yes, that makes perfect sense mate.
it seems like you lads have just as much grievances with eachother just like the other big 3 across the continent
who is the china, japan and korea of the british isles?
Scotland isn't voting Tory. The SNP still won, comfortably.
Compare that 28% of the vote to the 45% of the vote the Tories won in England.
China-England
Japan-also England
Korea- everyone else
>Scotland isn't voting Tory
EXCEPT THEY DID. Holy fuck you have literally no rebuttal to this, do you?
It's almost as if it undermines your entire perpetual victim narrative, isn't it?
Absolutely fucking pathetic.
The Tories. Lost. In. Scotland.
A few percentage points higher turnout, they would have come THIRD. We have the Tories today because England gave them 45% of their vote, and England has 80% of the votes overall. This is YOUR mess, not ours.
This is why I fucking hate so many English Labourites. The automatic assumption that Scotland is solely responsible for cleaning up England's mess. The slightest fucking slip, and it's somehow ALL our fault.