/lang/ - Language Learning General

>What language(s) are you learning?
>Share language learning experiences!
>Ask questions about your target language!
>Help people who want to learn a new language!
>Participate in translation challenges or make your own!
>Make frens!

Read this shit some damn time:
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Totally not a virus, but rather, lots of free books on languages!:
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Check this pastebin for plenty of language resources as well as some nice image guides:
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Torrents with more resources than you'll ever need for 30 plus languages:
FAQ U:
>How do I learn a language? What is the best way to learn one? How should I improve on certain aspects?
Read the damn wiki
>Should I learn lang Y so I can learn lang X?
No
>What is the most useful language?
Latin
>What language should I learn?
Latin

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How does learning only on clozemaster sound?

All other sites and methods seem so boring and so timeconsuming.

To the Greek-learning Pole in the last thread, courteous of a nice Greek in Discord

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Wow thanks user that means a lot coming from a native! Actually I only just started, about month ago. I did have to look up a lot of the vocabulary. I've been studying Latin for years though so maybe that gave me a little bit of a head start

how many books do I have to read in English till I stop needing to look up one word a page? not that I mind since reading formal literature in English is actually very rewarding

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Have you tried figuring out the meanings of words based on their components?

Probably never. I'm a native English speaker and I still have to look up words often when reading.

Whats the best way to use Duolingo?

At present I've just been doing each lesson up to level 2 and then moving on.

Depends what language. Are you the Aussie learning Russian?

I think over here the custom is to read teenage fiction books and then upgrade to music lyrics. Medicine classes are the extra mile.

Nope, learning French

This. I didn't realise how shit my vocabulary was until I started reading a lot.

...

I have been learning English, so very difficult to this.
I feel English is devil's language...

Hmmmm.... How far are you into learning French on Duolingo?

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>learning Spanish
>gf asks me to learn russian instead because I can get the “help” of a native and she can encourage me more
>6 months later she only speaks to me in English becuase russian is too much effort (through text)
>no encouragement
>gets annoyed when I struggle to learn cases and ask too many questions


I told her about this and she’s sorry and says she’ll try harder and then next day she doesn’t give a fuck. Am I being a Whiney little fuck or not? How can I get her to actually seem interested me im doing it partially for her

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That’s rich coming from the language with three scripts/alphabets. Beat it akihiko

Just learn German, French, Latin, and Greek and it'll all make sense

Real polyliterate hours

>it'll all make sense
>Just

Sorry, I can't understand.... What mean?

English is the easiest European language to learn though. No retarded stuff like genders or formality

I'm only joking
it'll --> it will
Just --> simply, only

Would really appreciate it if native britbongers could give me some feedback on my accent:

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Does it sound intelligible/natural or meh?

Cheers!

Not that far, halfway between the second and third checkpoint

hahahah this is so funny he drinks meme beverage
subbed

Heyo, currently straddling A1-A2 Spanish as well as taking a uni course for A1 German. Is it wise to study both at once or should I focus on them individually?

Currently only speak English and Polish.

I can't claim if you've got the British accent perfect or not, but it sounds good to me. Otherwise you've completely intelligible to English speakers, good job

Nice voice :3

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Are you remembering everything you've done? If so, you're probably using Duolingo correctly

>No retarded stuff like genders or formality
I know this

I know "it'll " but I can't understand "all make sense"

>Just --> simply, only
I didn't know this...


thanks

I find it easy to translate sentences that are written but I struggle crafting sentences without the app, (i.e. when I'm hopeless at talking to my French girlfriend, and she gets sick of it quickly.

Because all the lessons are centered around a context it becomes easy to translate within that context.

yes, but your writers often use two synonyms in a roll as if they didn't convey the same idea, which can be confusing at times. for example, today I read "The snowflakes whirled
and dizzied in front of them", a line from American Gods. if I were to get a comprehension out of this sentence alone, I'd probably think they convey completely different ideas, which - correct me if I'm wrong - by dictionaries this doesn't seem to be the case

that's comforting desu, I don't mind having to do so specially when there are vey good and free dictionaries available out there online and offline. I was wondering how old do Anglos need to be to have got in contact with most English words

I'm doing all of them at the same time, I think. it does help that I'm old enough to at least have the discipline required to go through them

How the fuck do I practice speaking a language if I know nobody who speaks it? I’m just finishing up my second university Italian class and do Duolingo sometimes but listening and speaking is still a struggle. Italians talk so fast. I can’t even speak quickly in English.

I only know English btw and I am going abroad to Italy for six months next year

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>I struggle crafting sentences without the app
Yeah, I know that feel. One of the things to remember about French is that adjectives come after nouns. I would recommend the book "French Grammar For Dummies." The book helps with sentence construction and grammar. It's really useful. You can find it on libgen if you're interested.

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It's really hard for everyone. Being immersed in the language is really the only quick fix. Once you've been in Italy for a little your comprehension will really kick in to high gear, it's like magic

Thanks friend, I'll give it a look

>I am going abroad to Italy for six months next year
I think that's your answer. When I was there Italians were friendly and willing to speak slowly for me. Whereas the Parisians basically told me to fuck off

Try finding an Italian discord server where you can talk to native speakers.

Thanks!

Thaaaaank youuu

That’s not a bad idea desu

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Adjectives can also come first and then the nouns
Example: une belle maison

I recommend trying to translate things you do daily and say/repeat it in your head.
>Je suis en train de conduire
>J'étudie pour les éxamens
Whenever you find a thing you don't know use a dictionary and try to apply it later into another phrase. Do an effort to learn a set number per week to stay motivated.
Hellotalk or other similar apps?

I speak 5 languages fluently and I want to learn japanese but I lack in time.
Someday, I’ll learn it

>I was wondering how old do Anglos need to be to have got in contact with most English words
Considering the fact that there are about 171 thousand English words. Most native English speakers won't come into contact with most words in English. Don't be discouraged if you find a word you don't understand.

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I’ve always wondered how one can really be fluent in more than a 2 or 3 languages when it takes most people decades to master their own mother tongue, and many still misspell common words or screw up grammar/word usage

How the hell are you supposed to tell when adjectives come before or after the noun then?

What is the hardest part of learning Japanese? Right now I'm struggling with verb conjugation, and sometimes the particles still confuse me
You can do it Japan user, don't give up

In generall the adjectives come always first, then come the nouns. There are cases when it’s not the case but that’s an exception.

Technically being fluent means you know over 10 thousand words. And native speakers tend to get lazy with their own language sometimes and resort to slang.

I think for most Romance languages the rule is that quantifying adjectives precede nouns and most qualifying adjectives follow nouns. In Italian adjectives like bella and buona precede nouns even though they’re qualifying (and they’re also contracted)

I am fluent in 5 languages and I can tell you that the best way to learn a language is to learn it as soon as possible and to really immerse yourselv in that ‘’language worl’’ (television, books, video games, talking to people, watching youtube videos etc.)

Thank you so much
I try to continue to study.

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I don’t know if you’re right but in portuguese the adjective comes after the noun
Ex: un gato lindo
In french the adjective comes first and then comes the noun
Ex: un beau chat

>English is the easiest European language to learn though.

No.

You’re lucky you live in a small country in close proximity to like ten different languages. The other languages I ever hear are English and ebonics
I just assumed it was the case for other Romance languages since it’s the case for Italian and Latin
I am only fluent in English but i think if you have a good understanding of Latin/romantic grammar then spanish/Italian are probably the easiest to learn. I could just be talking out my ass too

how do you learn enough to understand the books, tv, and video games?

Much easier than german, because there are no genders

Just model your speech on native speakers.

Don't get too lost on technical by the book way of doing things.

I mean it's not uncommon to hear all sorts of languages in America of all places lol, isn't that kinda what you thrive on?

All you hear in western Europe is the respective official language and Arabic. Big "cities" are the exception, but that effect is amplified in America.

I live in Luxembourg where you automatically learn 4 languages (french, german, luxembourgish, englisg)
But right now I’m in university in Brussels
My parents are portuguese so I also speak portuguese

Basically I learned 4 languages when I was like 5 years old, not all at once, but with time. I learned german at school and watched wartoons, same with french. I learned luxembourgish with my friends at school but nobody can write it. I learned portuguese with my family members and some friends too
Finally I learned english 7 years ago and started immerse myself into that language with a lot of youtube videos, tv series, and some books but I have to admit that once you are older than 18 years, it’s more difficult to learn english
I also learned spanish for 3 years but I’m not fluent in it so I don’t count it, I only know the basics and it ressemblences a bit to portuguese

your fortunate to be born in Luxembourg where you can learn all those languages. I didn't even know Luxembourgish was a language until just now as well

>what language are you learning

Chinese.

Been using a combination of memrise, lingodeer and a textbook for the last couple months and I've made okay progress with pinyin, still shit at hanzi.

its just german wtih an accent.

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It is very similar to german with a bunch of french words. Yeah it’s nice to be born in this country but the thing is you have to be dedicated to learn all these languages to speak them fluently

Thats how my gf was like with german, so i said fuck it im learning on my own without her help. Now im at a level i can converse with her. But before she would just switch to english since it was easier.

I recommend to stop depending on others for your success and dont let ur gf choose what language you learn

granted i dont understand half of it, no, not really. there are a lot of loanwords in luxembourgish and they have their own grammar memes going on, which sets it a bit apart from german.

i think it's part of a middle german dialect continuum in one way or another, still pretty hard to understand at times.

>I mean it's not uncommon to hear all sorts of languages in America of all places lol, isn't that kinda what you thrive on?
Not really no. If I lived in the southwest then I would hear spanish a lot but I don’t. I’m 1000 miles away from where spanish is spoken by SOME. You’re within 1000 miles from like 25 different commonly spoken languages. I do personally have more exposure to foreign languages since I live on a college campus with lots of international students, but I have no desire to learn mandarin or one of the million indian languages. There aren’t that many European university students here

Du versteehs mech ee bessen gel?

étudies tu en francais à l'uni de Bruxelles?

Wenn du langsam genug redest, dann ja :)
Oh but I meant like in American cities (which, relative to Europe, are actual cities) you have way more international communities and foreign stores. In general you have way more diaspora. The biggest such groups here are Turks, Arabs, Italians, and Greeks. You got people from all over.

Oui je l’étudie à Bruxelles, tout comme au lycée au Luxembourg. Je sais pas si tu peux me comprendre, mais est-ce que tu es français par hasard ? Où t’es juste un Américain qui est en train d’apprendre le français? En tout cas j’apprécie ton effort user :)

Ask a 19 year old aussie lad who passed his JLPT N1 exam last week anything. Now I can go back to being an aimless NEET failure except for when I sub anime and manga for free

暇だけど何もしたくないんだよなぁ
ゲームやってもすぐ消すし
動画見ても本読んでもすぐやめる
外に出かけようにも風呂はいるのも着替えるのも服着るのも洗濯するのも面倒くさいし別にほしいものも無いし行きたいところもないし食いたいものもない
でも暇さとか退屈さは凄く感じる
解消できないつらさが俺を蝕んでいる

人と関わる事がとにかく嫌だ
挨拶もしたくないし仕事の話の間に挟む少しの雑談も苦痛、というか時間の無駄
仕事は金稼ぐだけの物としか思わないし仕事にコミュニケーションがーとかいう奴とは一生分かり合えない
ロボット工場でロボットと一緒に働きたい

障害者や女っていいよなぁ
社会的弱者のレッテルをいい事に色々手厚い保護うけて。
だけど本当の社会的弱者は
保護対象のレッテルすら貼ってもらえない弱者なんだよな。
男というだけで弱者側であっても精神論というムチで叩かれ
奴隷になる事を要求される保護されない弱者なんだよな。

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The funny thing is that my home town in Luxembourg is just 5 minutes near the german border and everyday the streets are full of german cars who come to Luxembourg to work or to buy cigarettes or to buy fuel for their cars. While I go to Germany to buy groceries because it’s much cheaper xd

>暇だけど何もしたくないんだよなぁ
>ゲームやってもすぐ消すし
>動画見ても本読んでもすぐやめる
>外に出かけようにも風呂はいるのも着替えるのも服着るのも洗濯するのも面倒くさいし別にほしいものも無いし行きたいところもないし食いたいものもない
>でも暇さとか退屈さは凄く感じる
>解消できないつらさが俺を蝕んでいる
>人と関わる事がとにかく嫌だ
>挨拶もしたくないし仕事の話の間に挟む少しの雑談も苦痛、というか時間の無駄
>仕事は金稼ぐだけの物としか思わないし仕事にコミュニケーションがーとかいう奴とは一生分かり合えない
>ロボット工場でロボットと一緒に働きたい
>障害者や女っていいよなぁ
>社会的弱者のレッテルをいい事に色々手厚い保護うけて。
>だけど本当の社会的弱者は
>保護対象のレッテルすら貼ってもらえない弱者なんだよな。
>男というだけで弱者側であっても精神論というムチで叩かれ
>奴隷になる事を要求される保護されない弱者なんだよな。
what the fuck does this all mean?

just complaining about being a NEET

How did you learn it ? At school ? I also want to learn it when I get mor free time

No I never learned any other languages until 3 years ago when I started using /jp/ as a 16 year old. It's taken 5-6 hours of studying characters and other boring shit for 3 entire years but now I'm essentially fluent so I guess it was worth it, I'll probably go to university next

do you know Kanji?

I know everything to the same extent that Japanese people learn formally, about 2000 characters total which is enough to read and write anything within reason. I've never even been to Japan or met a Japanese person lmao

I guess that’s true. There still is less use for any language other than English here vs languages other than german in Germany. I mean you speak English and I’m sure most people you know speak English to a certain extent. I only know two people who are even conversational in a second language.

I know this because I'm Japanese nativespeaker.
However, I can't understand English so I can't trancelate....

5-6 hours of daily studying? And how frequently do you practice conversing?

Are you using Google Translator or just going off your basic understanding?

>about 2000 characters total
Jesus fuck. 3 years to learn Japanese seems like you did it fast

Hello japan where are you from exactly ? I love your culture and please do more babies, forget about your 2D waifus 3D waifus is the real shit

je suis franco, mais pas francais. mon ip montre usa mais je viens du Québec. J'aime passer par ici pour voir les postes des autres même si j'apprend aucune langue en ce moment.
En passant quelle est l'ampleur de la communauté portugaise au Lux. J'ai entendu dire qu'ils sont les étrangers les plus nombreux. Faites vous de réunions/messes avec les autres?

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If you do less than that you won't be able to learn quickly imo, it takes Japanese people all of kindergarten, primary school, and secondary to learn all of those characters and how to use them. I try to converse daily but it's mostly with other western weebs. I earn income from doing fansubs of anime and manga better than practically anyone else who isn't Japanese though, maybe I should become a translator or something

I've never met anyone else who pulled it off that quickly, there's some lad in a discord server for weebs I use who can speak Japanese slightly worse than me but it took him 8 years and he's still N2

Legend.

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As-tu habite à Sherbrooke ?

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I need to improve my english. I want to study a good grammar. Which one you recommend me?

Oulala oui tu touches un point intéressant. La population portugaise au Luxembourg est énorme. Moi meme je suis Portugais (né au Luxembourg). 47% de la population du Luxembourg est de nationalité étrangère ce qui est énorme et 18% est de nationalité portugaise.
Et oui les Portugais font presque un cinquièeme de la population luxembourgeoise.

Et toi, est-ce que tu parle très bien l’anglais et le français? Parce qu’ici ce qui me déprime, c’est que les belges francophones ont beaucoup de mal à comprendre l’anglais et ne s’y intéressent pas ce qui est fort dommage :(

How good is your understanding of English? Is it good enough to read the news or watch movies in English?

non mais j'ai rencontré une fille de 20 ans à laquelle j'avais fait part de mon envie de visiter sherbrooke et elle m'avait offert son apparte mais j'ai fais ma poulle mouillé et suis jamais allée.

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Ah oui j’ai oublié de mentionner que les Portugais au Luxembourg sont très liés entre eux, on a meme une radio où on parle que le portugais. Le portugais a une telle grande empleur que dans presque toutes les communes, les papiers législatifs sont écrits en Français, en Allemand et même en Portugais. Les Portugais ouvrent aussi beaucoup de restaurants/magasins portugais où beaucoup de Portugais se rassemblent

>Are you using Google Translator or just going off your basic understanding?

I know Google Translator but usually I don't use it everyday.

However, littele wait you.
If I use GoogleTranslator, I'm not study English.
I think "Google Translator is at last resort".

>going off
Sorry, I try to use Google Trance and search this word.
I don't know this.... so I can't understand....

Hello Deutschland.
Sorry... What mean "from exactly"
I try to examine and trancelate I can't understand....

I am not Deutschland, my flag is belgian but I am from LUXEMBOURG

>Sorry, I try to use Google Trance and search this word.
>I don't know this.... so I can't understand...
I should have said that you were using your basic understanding of English

I want to know which region or city you live in Japan

Tja und im Osten geht man in Tschechien oder Polen einkaufen, weil's da billiger ist. Congrats my man. What method did you go by?
Probably, yea. But please also bear in mind that the "All Germans speak English" meme has gone way too far. While it's mandatory to learn in school, it doesn't really mean that therefor all of them speak English. It works very much the same way Americans learn Spanish in school and don't give a shit about it. It's mostly travel tier English or very good passive understanding without any real competence at expressing oneself.

I don't know. I understand almost everything in here.
I did a test these days and I didn't know almost all grammar stuff. I don't know why something is there and here. I really want to know the theory.

oui, pas à un niveau professionel je passe pour un anglo sans problème.
Je trouve qu'être détaché de la globalisation est une bonne chose en soit. Ici au Québec dès qu'une personne dit qu'elle est anglo on essaye tout de suite de parler en anglais et s'accomoder à celle-ci. Rencontrer des nouveaux gens qui ne comprennent pas l'anglais est très rare dès nos jours, il y a toujours ce romanticisme de trouver quelquun qui nous plait mais avec qui on peut à peine commniquer.
très cool. est-ce que Bob Jungels est une personalité aimé par chez vous?

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