Be american

that's his fault
my state requires that all employers provide an insurance plan to their workers, so really the only people who aren't insured are unemployed people who leech off of the system anyways

why do you only care about yourself and not about your fellow americans?

why do you hate your society so much?

why do you not view them as humans?

t. naive

I love America

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auto billing is standard here in Sweden

mostly for insurance, rent/mortgage and other recurrent payments

because it's not my responsibility to look after people who do not have the motivation to fix their lives themselves. I have family that work in social security, most homeless people are homeless by choice, they would rather take welfare checks and spend it on drugs instead of securing a lease on a room and getting a job. Fuck them, contributors to society shouldn't be punished with the burden of dealing with these people. If it were up to me i'd have them all killed. Are you seriously okay with supporting a bunch of lazy NEETs with your hard earned money?
I grew up poor.

It's 14.6% of your gross salary of which you pay 50% and your employer pay the other 50%.

So effectively you pay 7.3% of your salary for insurance.

>In 2018, the average company-provided health insurance policy totaled $6,896 a year for single coverage. On average, employers paid 82 percent of the premium, or $5,655 a year. Employees paid the remaining 18 percent, or $1,241 a year.

peoplekeep.com/blog/what-percent-of-health-insurance-is-paid-by-employers

How can you fail to kill yourself as an American when you can just buy a gun at a supermarket?

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It is up to everyone individually to look out for themselves. The world is not going to hold your hand. Encouraging nationalized universal benefits (healthcare for example) premotes begging culture. It also makes people reliant on the system. It is up to everyone to make their own life. Also the American government is definitely not known for efficiency and that would vastly increase the size of the government.

most of my money goes back into shit i need, such as infrastructure, healthcare, school etc.

if university wasn't free here in Sweden, I wouldn't have had a bacherlor's + master's degree

and I pay this due forward to other members of the society as do they with their effort.

if i start to think "but what bout those few neets who leech" fuck them they generally don't persist long and they generally off themselves due to loneliness or they get their shit together in the end

That mentality does nothing to benefit my society as a whole. If everyone does their part, we go forward-

everybody doesn't do their part though, which is why only the people who contribute should reap the benefits.

Good they deserve it. Suicide is for massive faggots.

the world isn't holding your hand either. if you want to improve your situtation here, you have the ability to do it without crippling debt

You can do the same thing here, scholarships exist. You have to perform to get them though

For a person earning 3k€ gross the health insurance costs 2628€ a year.

In comparison: $5,655 payed a year after your source is 5.065,64€.

Whatever your system is, it's twice as expensive as ours.

source pls

Ayy wanted to replay to this nignogger

>8 day room and board
>10k
wew

You can do the same thing here through other means like mentioned, without the need to raise taxes and make massive handouts by the government. America vs Europe is not black and white like people often argue. There is alot of opportunity in this country if you just work hard to get ahead. Handouts ALWAYS get abused by the lower classes. How often do you hear about people getting ahead in life with programs like welfare? It only keeps you on bare minimum andits up to you to work your way up. But alot of people are content sitting in poverty soaking up handouts.

Even if you grew up poor you definitely don't seem to know about other people's situations.

*crack* *sip*

I don't know their situations, but others shouldn't be obligated to fix their situation for them, especially if they aren't trying to fix it themselves.

>I grew up poor.

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literally more expensive than some of the best hotels in the world

you got it backwards,the employer pays 82%, not the employee. So the employer pays $5,065 and the employee pays the rest.

based

not an argument

That guy is going to get abused without promotion so bad by his superiors then thrown away

Youre a pretty shit person desu. You must have become unpoor before you were an adult yourself and didnt actually have to think about and deal with thing yourself. Your views of drug addiction and being homeless shows you dont think too deeply about things anyway, opinion discarded

It’s funny to me how anons hate niggers and Arabs. But you all are SO sympathetic towards poors

Came to post this. 1k a night just for the room... wtf?
Does it include a nice selection of hookers, wines, champaign and your personal Eunuch buttler?

He is one of the superiors,a TV host, the pledge is for his serfs

Apart from the emotional ideologists in this thread.

Some facts make it really difficult for me to understand how healthcare works in the shart states.

Pic relates is their state spending of it (in comparison in Germany Health spending covers only 4,6% of state spendings)

Now we looks at medic aid being proud 15% of their state spending and Medic care 23%.
That's insane 38% going for healthcare. This number is so fucking astonishingly high I just can't explain. Where does this massive amount of cash go? It's 1 trillion dollar that go to whom?

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What if you get injured and cant work anymore?

more like the S.L.A.V.E pledge

From personal experience its a lot cheaper than that. I have 60/40 insurance from company and its only like $50 every two weeks.

Dont be ridicolous, your money goes to refugees and niggers.
Swedish healthcare got drained empty and is dogshit, appointments take forever and they qill just rush your case and try to get you out asap.
Swedish pensions are also done for and dont try to lie, i have friends in sweden and they all say the same.

>difficult for me to understand how healthcare works in the shart states.
There is no system. The whole thing is a convoluted mess accrued over time by competing interest groups looking to make a profit.

I got insurance from my employer recently, and it is absolute horseshit. My deductible is $7000 and it doesnt cover specialists, and somehow cardiologist is considered a specialist, which is what i need for my health condition. Gonna need a better (waaay more expensive) plan.

Depending on the job you get paid time leave for quite a while. Also if you're a physical labor worker and you mutilated yourself then you better find something that doesn't require physical labor.

Only lazy people get injured. So long as you are a good person and play by the rules, nothing bad can ever happen to you. Bad things only happen to bad people.

Lol just try again if you're suicidal anyway

A big percentage of posters here arent racist.

and this is why people should have the right to be euthanized

The question was rather that when most people in the USA have a private insurance and others just die wihtout treatment how come that the State spends 1 trillion into health subsidies?

our system would unironically be the best if we regulated pharma and insurance companies.

Poor innocent billionaries need public funding.

Never going to happen since it'd hurt the profits of big companies

It’s for old people. Old people get government healthcare after they retire

Every single cost is massively overinflated and everything about it is deliberately inefficient. The money gets "lost".

It would be a lot lower, because insurance companies and hospitals collude to produce higher prices, to the cost of employers.
Part of this is because many poorfags don't pay their hospital bills, but another part is simply that no one can stop them.

What a compassionate and great society

This.
After being hospitalized here once I'm scared af of becoming too poor to pay for private healthcare.

>our system would unironically be the best if we regulated pharma and insurance companies.

1. Your system is taking more than 1/3 of tax cash from the American population directly into the pokets of insurance companies without them even providing a serious service
In no way this can anyone consider the "best". That's rather some 3rd world scam scheme like you see often in Africa.

2. Obviously insurance companies will charge $500.000 for something worth $2 in a system where the taxpayer pays it but the state doesn't regulate it to avoid communism.

Sometimes I think the USA only exists for smart people to milk the US population like cattle for juicy billions of $.

Is there a single country in the world with a long-term functioning social security/pension system?
I am pretty sure that such a thing cannot exist.
A system that relies on population growth will eventually exceed the country or the planet's ability to sustain them.

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>A system that relies on population growth will eventually exceed the country or the planet's ability to sustain them.
Sounds like you just debunked capitalism

Capitalismin general doesn't work in any long term analysis.
It's the innovation that makes it work. What we don't know and don't consider today is what makes the world tommorow.

Capitalism doesn't rely on population growth.

Quite untrue, negative population growth leads to a complete market crash.

Can you explain this?

youtu.be/q2jijuj1ysw

It's not that "capitalism" "works", it's that heavy handed regulatory policies often make things worse because
1. The people coming up with them don't fully understand what they're doing
2. People with special interests often participate in their implementation
3. Any bureaucratic system without a ruthlessly enforced, clear purpose will tend to become bloated and inefficient.

American healthcare is worse than Euro healthcare because there isn't even a real structure behind it, just patches upon patches accrued over time.

Steven Crowder is financed by the Koch Brothers and it is disingenuous for him to claim healthcare in Canada is inadequate as he has expressedly said before he does not believe it to be a right and has no sympathy for those unable to pay.

what a tool

Seems like America can't make up its mind. Either go fully private or switch to universal healthcare. Being in the middle just allows the insurance companies to fuck you over.

>1. The people coming up with them don't fully understand what they're doing
Such arguments are always worthless.
Just to make it fair, you fall under this rule yourself so why should I even consider what you write?

Just to make it clear: You pay 1/3 of all your tax payment for no healthcare (which you then pay extra with youron cash).

a market crash isn't the same thing as total failure, and automation can and often replaces what was missing before.
What changes with negative population growth is an increase in labor costs, which is something that a first world nation ought to be able to take instead of trying to allieviate by importing raucous poorfags.

it's almost as if democracy is a system founded on compromise

Yeah but we would be paying even more if we had national healthcare

Can an American that is not from Jow Forums but actually manages his own life like work and shit tell me some numbers.

How much taxes did he pay last year and how much did he pay last year for health insurance.

There is nothing inherent to population growth that is linked to the functioning of a market system as a whole. There are currently existing unsustainable business models, unsustainable government policies, unsustainable industries - and these can cause market crashes when they fail - but population growth is not required to have a functioning economy.

not true many countries are somewhere in the middle ndl, france, chingapor

>a market crash isn't the same thing as total failure
When you give capitalism from here to infinity to self repair anything can look like a self correcting system. Automation can't salvage capitalism because it can't make more consumers in a market system. IE it creates a crisis of overproduction brainlet.

>Yeah but we would be paying even more if we had national healthcare
I would just wildly guess it would be much less.

In general nothing can be as bad as being a proud cuck paying a private insurace while in the shadows paying taxes for the actual insurance.

>Such arguments are always worthless.
>Just to make it fair, you fall under this rule yourself so why should I even consider what you write?
No. It's just a simple observation. Nobody fully understands the chaotic system that is human society. So we create simplified abstract models of it. These models are not the same as the actual thing. Everybody who has ever made a policy decision has done so by reasoning about an abstraction that can only approximate the behaviour of the real system.

Wow. What a cuck.

12% in tax
I paid nothing for healthcare

Our taxes would skyrocket tho. So I would end up paying more. Not only financially. But time too.

>No. It's just a simple observation.
From a flawed individual with only superficial knowledge on the topic.

Those aren't free market prices, those are monopoly or cartel prices. Now in civilized countries, they have government authorities that are supposed to prevent cartels from ripping off the customers/patients. If prices get too high, companies are disbanded and their ceos go to jail.

Not so in the "land of the free". There, hospitals and doctors can charge whatever they want because patients are forced to pay unless they want to die.

>spend all day complaining about how americans are retards
>"hurrr why dun u curr bout ur cuntrimen"
because most other americans are cunts and they don't matter to me

Automation does not imply a self-replicating and self-sustaining AI, doomer.
Much like how Saudis can throttle their production rates to increase the costs of a barrel of oil, corporations with automated systems can throttle production rates to meet demand.
Automation also does not and cannot solve the problem of limited supply, as geographies have finite resources, and humans are still required to determine the best possible opportunity cost for a particular venture

if you don't understand economics you probably shouldn't claim to debunk capitalism every thread

>There, hospitals and doctors can charge whatever they want because patients are forced to pay unless they want to die.
This is why people have insurance

Tell me in a free market environment devoid of regulation. Why wouldn't an entity or entities working in coalition establish a monopoly or cartels acting on their own rational self interest to maintain market dominance?

>4,9% of state spendings for universal healthcare in Germany vs. 38% of state spending for subsidies for private health insurances in USA

It's kinda hard to imagine that there is something that can even be a bigger fuckup that what you have.

even then they could apply for medicaid which is free healthcare

The market will crash, the economy will change and new ways of doing things will develop. It's just a transitional state, the same as a command economy making forced changes to policies that are not working. So long as there is change in the world this process will happen regardless of whether somebody is trying to regulate it or not.

I do agree that totally deregulated economies will generally have a harder time avoiding crashes, and will have a much harder time recovering from crashes, but the population growth thing is only an issue of our current particular instance of a capitalist economy, not something inherent to capitalist economies as such. There are possible capitalist economies that do not rely on it, even if ours does and the transition would not be easy.

data.oecd.org/healthres/health-spending.htm
I thought Netherlands and France spend most of their money on public healthcare. I don't know enough about Singapore to be honest.

we would have more people using benefits and not contributing than you do. So then the rest of the tax payers would have to pick up the bill