Economics of refugees

google united nations replacement migration, see their strategy on the un website. replacing the populations of europe, korea, and japan

These people need to be burned alive.

No, I know about that, what I'm saying is, you're replacing the population with unproductive persons who mostly just live off welfare. I'm trying to make sense of the economic arguments (which I suspect are nonsense) which is why I made the thread.

The great thing about neoliberalism is that it has made a place in society for everyone, even those that don't fit in. Rapefugees drive demand for food, clothing, shelter, medical care, and white pussy. As long as the government can create money to provide gibs, it will continue to trickle upwards and give the illusion of prosperity to shareholders. What if the government can't provide gibs? Don't be silly goy, that could never happen! There's no way that an army of dindus with AIDS and a numerical advantage could destroy Western civilization!

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I'm not actually rkg, see when everyone is rkg no one is

How do they drive demand if they consume with money that the government takes from Hans and gives to Mehmet? Couldn't Hans have just spent the money?

I understand how the housing part works, though.

How can he spend money he needs to pay on taxes?

The counterfactual is cutting taxes isn't it?

Post proof

This. You know even though I am very right winged I actually don't even blame these immigrants anymore. The government is 100% to blame, well almost 100%. It is so amazing how FUCKING retarded the government is in almost every nation.

First of all, their immigration policy is shit. On top of that they completely fail to assimilate these people. Again, I am quite rightwinged but only blaming these people for not assmilitating is pointless.

>hey let's place them all together in one single flat
>hey let's do that but then in a complete neighbourhood
>hey let's invite fundamental muslim organisations to settle in these housing blocks to make the people feel welcome
>hey let's give them money and poor guidance
>WHY DON'T YOU PEOPLE ASSIMILATE?!!!

Then these immigrants get asylum but cannot work because that's AGAINST the law. So they are literally doing nothing all day for months to years. When they do finally get a job it's completelly useless because "they need to figure it out themselves".

This whole meme that the government provides these people with everything is bs. Sure, they spend insane amounts of money but fail to create anything usefull because no one gives a shit.

Take the Dutch government as example. They thought it would be a genius idea to let the free market solve the shortage of Dutch lessons for immigrants. Their idea was literally: "if we just give every single immigrant a budget of 10K for dutch lessons the market will solve itself out". Jeepers, imagine my shock to find out that it didnt work at all and these people got scammed everywhere for a quick buck.

And yes most of them are collecting welfare, a lot of them are criminals or future criminals, most of them are completely useless and shouldn't be here. But who is to blame? The government.

They only way in which it is possibe is actually very simple.

You need a very strick immigration law.

Unless you are of an employable age or you have a very empoyable profession you are not coming in.

You do not receive any benefits or anything of that kind the first 5 years you are here.

There first 3 years you cannot send your family over. In order to send your family over after that time you need to prove you have a steady income. Your wife and childeren will be examined as well for eligability to live here.

If you commit a serious crime in the first 5 years you are here, deportation.

This will solve so many problems. However, it will cause a braindrain in the country of origine. So what now?

governments that willingly import these third worlders are all jewish ridden looking to subvert and destabilise nations.

>more refugees
>government needs to expand all the welfare distribution agencies to handle them
>lots of new government jobs created
>profit

:^)

hans is stupid and puts lots of money into his savings account and long term investments.
mehmet on the other hand is smart and blows all his money on consumer goods! much better for business!

Refugees are a jewish trick. It’s that simple

there are no economic arguments. Jews are trying to perform a white genocide through uncontrolled immigration of third world people into the developed world. Jewish delusion is that they will rule over a class of poor mullato people forever after whites are exterminated.

The government aka jews, jewish controlled politicians, and jewish NGOs literally getting paid to transport niggers to Italy and Spain

This. Plus not enough fodder to suck up the shit jobs and fill the caretaker roles they'll need in the future.

It's all mostly europe tho. Merica will be fine as always.

soon

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How will they defeat the chinks? They exterminate their own people, they won't think twice about some random foreign group.

in the US, resettlement is done primarily by Christian organizations.

methodists, Baptists, mormons, and most of all, Catholics

Not that I believe in the kikespiracy, but you could defeat china by.. taxing their imports until they become non-competitive with other producing nations. without money coming in, there's no money to import the produce they need to feed their billions of people.

You can't solve rampant unemployment and famine by printing more yuan.

I think the theory is that their children are expected to be economic positives, not the refugees themselves

would rather have a nation of christians than a nation of muslims. they're less politically active, respect national law, and will attack muslims for pulling the shit they get away with in europe.

meanwhile you can buy citizenship for 500k.

it's illegal to sell citizenship

they are giving it away.

the net result is your citizenship is worth less than nothing, it's being devalued every day.

for example most of the us population growth over the last 30 years was due to immigrants.

in real terms that meant your political capital was devalued by 30% ( your vote ÷ the population).

the solution to me is establishing a net zero immigration policy. putting citizenship in the blockchain, and creating an exchange that would put an actual monetary value on citizenship.

if someone wants citizenship they should have to pay the fair market price from a seller

people really have no concept of how happy they're being screwed over. we're supposed to shut up and be thankful that rich people get cheap hotel rooms or that strawberries are only $5/pint, or that labor is cheap as fuck and devalued everywhere..

it makes economic sense only if you are mainstream suburban middle class / retired and need services like nannies, landscapers, mechanics, etc. and you want a discount on the fees.

Just ask nips or manchus how they cucked the chinks
Chinks can't compete with jews, they are the ultimate worker race.

Nevertheless look out for the Armenians anons
Juice are finished.
If you look closer you can see it already happening.

Well they did that when china was a literal mudhole. Gonna be a bit different now that they got nukes and the world's 3rd largest army.

i feel the exact opposite. religiously is for the mentally and morally weak. they have been in charge forever so all problems if lay at their feet.

sure, Islam or Buddhism would be worse but don't kid yourselves. religion is absolute bullshit

people are too stupid to save at this point
obviously jews are to blame, but our fellow country men are to blame as well for defending the jews and politicians
hopefully there's a habbening at the riot in portland today to kick off a civil war

So heres how it happened to make sense on an economical level as a pitch:

eurofags forgot how to have kids in the 70s and really liked the idea of pensions.

but even though Carol is living 20 years longer, at a pension of just 12k a year thats still 240k (minimuim)

So lets say 240k per person. Theres not nearly enough young people to enter the workforce and keep this welfare state going (thanks death of religion) so now there needs to be new work forces to pay for the pensioners.

Enter refugees. This is where people say "we need more refugees economically or we will die" but infact what needs to happen is "someone needs to turn off Carols life support or she should have had kids to take care of her instead of whoring herself into her 40s and smoking so much weed in amsterdam.

So the government takes out these HUGE loans to pay gibs and such to refugees. And I mean BIG my friend. How much money does it take to house 1,000,000 refugees? To put things into perspective, it would take 147 million to give a 12k house to each of California's homeless, which is about 7000 people.

Not including the other costs of refugees.

Governments run themselves into debt and can't pay, nor can they keep the peace in their streets, nor can they even give pensions to the people they set out to help in the first place.

I'm not a siegefag but i sure as fuck don't see this ending well for the white people of europe without some violence

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Whats funny is, take the size of the american military funding compared to the next largest fundings... then dividr that number back into americas spending.

Next thing you know the chinks are the 26th largest army behind 24 americas and 1 russia

>Lol fuck the rest of the world you our bitches

Then askyourself why it was a mudhole then and now it isn't.
They raised them up, same way they can turn them into a dust.

Chinks are relevant for how long? 30 years? Jews have proven track record of millenia. Their destruction will not come from China. Those two head-to-head is not even a chance of competition.

Well, I haven't heard about much problems with the buddhists either, that might be okay. I'm just talking about history here. American christians have gotten past the point of segregation/lynching and have moved from violence to the political arena. Much better than the fundamentalist muslims being imported from those 3rd world nations.

Personally, I don't have much of a horse in the race. I guess I'm an atheist if you have to put a label on it, but I don't care about religion/politics, I just want to make some money. Don't care what laws or politics are driving the land as long as I get mine. Only reason to care about that shit is "How to I make money off this?"

I met a guy, a financial advisor that made his stick "moral investing" or "conscious investing," something like that. The guy is married and christian, and thrives on christian investors. Now that's taking your career seriously. Do you think he actually gives a shit about religion? Dude is just hustling.

Anyways, a non-denominational nation would be nice, but it's not gonna happen. At least not for some time. But I'll take christians over muslims any day of the week.

But they're already in debt from pensions. They're taking out debt to cover other debts.

>Enter refugees. This is where people say "we need more refugees economically or we will die"
Why? They don't work and and can only consume with other people's money.

They dont. They are a net drain on the societies they go to. Anyone who is not an absolute brainwashed brainlet can see this. They suck up taxpayer resources while providing no boost to GDP in return. They dont even get jobs, let alone create them. So what is the motivation for these governments to take them in? REALLY MAKES YOU THINK DOESNT IT?

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>economics of refugees
>receive gimmedats
>they spend them on basic stuff like groceries, clothing etc.,
It's some kind of controlled consumption and they're a vehicle for the government/regime to keep the money (gimmedats) circulating in the economy.
>the regime pays apartment renters and hoteliers in order to house them
>entire apartment blocs are being erected with government money to accommodate all that subhumanity
Many billions of € at play there and some people clearly benefit from that. There's also UN agenda some user mentioned previously, many other factors and interests involved.
This is obviously unsustainable, but it's going to work until it doesn't, and then "dangerous populists" will seize political power and then the real party starts.

ask the nose. you still think it's about economy

goood... gooood...

They don’t

It’s complete propaganda for the destruction of western society’s

I've heard the consumption angle before but they can only consume with OPM. Someone said that the refugees are less likely to save, but you could just do a government works program or something to get money into the economy rather than try to get Mbongos or Mehmets to buy things. The only people I can see benefiting are banks speculating on real estate.

kill em all
the only way

That is the most retarded theory ive ever heard. They know giving gibs to blacks doesnt boost the economy. If they really wanted to take some money and inject it into the economy they would just boost welfare payments to blacks instead. They blow that shit on air jordans as soon as they get it. They dont though because thats not their motivation and its retarded as fuck as well.

It's just an empty mantra.

US corporations for example are always wanting more tax cuts. Why not cut taxes instead of importing Mbongos? You'd have a consumption boost too since people have more money...

Why are you so stupid and ugly, mentally and physically damaged both here and in reality? I have literally never seen you post anything remotely intelligent, original or funny here. All you do is shit up the place with you 8 syllable sentences and let everyone know it was indeed you who dropped that turd of a "thought" on this board.
Thanks to you I have started to advocate for euthanasia to be accessible without any specific reason to everyone, so you could freely end your existence on this planet, because you will NEVER EVER find happiness nor wealth with your cruel handicaps.
Kill yourself.

Why the fuck are you asking me? I'm just telling you their arguments desu

>they are in debt from pensioners and already taking out debt

Why yes. Yes they are.

the economic angle is pure bullshit, plain and simple.
"we need refugees to pay for pensions" is a lie to pacify naive boomers, that's it.

reality is, immigration is not a means to an end, but the end itself. their goal is to get as many foreigners in as possible, because they are committed to their ideology of multiculturalism.

Because left idiots need any excuse to "help humanity" to feel better about themselves and to promote other people to do so as well. However, since no one gives a fuck (rightly so) these left idiots need to find some way so people do care.

Enter refugees and immigrantion. Severe burden for economies no matter what people tell you. The government is too fucking stupid and inefficient (muh ethics) to handle migrant situations effectively so it will always result into a severe burden. The left knows this, so they simply lie about it. Not just that but if you tell the truth they call you a racist. Not just that but the mainly left MSM support these lies.

fucken immigrantos

It's not that it's against the law, refugees fall under the same labor regulations as regular citizens, the problem is their background. In most cases, refugees are illiterate in their own language and cannot learn a new language fast, don't have higher education or the necessary skills to enter the job market. As a result, they stay on welfare and the middle class has to pay more taxes for said welfare recipients, which further contributes to their shrinking numbers, since having kids is already so goddamn expensive.

People who immigrate to work, with work permits, are generally a very big boon for the economy.

Asylum seekers are always a net loss for society. Economically, culturally and security wise. The toll could be much lower because they're doing it in such a shit way, as
described.
Ultimately "social progressives" are being dishonest when they pretend that immigration is not charity, and when you do charity, then yes, you sacrifice your good for the other of the other. There can be a place for that, done in a way that reduces the sacrifice to more palatable levels, but they should at least be honest about what asylum immigration means for society.

The main reason why you see muslims are pretty well integrated in the USA but among european muslims, they mostly aren't, is that in the USA the immigration is almost only worker immigrants rather than asylum seekers.

Asylum seekers are usually low resource individuals, and them being systemically shafted and actively denied the possibility to be useful doesn't help the situation.

YES I'M UNBANNED THANK YOU BASED MODS!!!! FUCK YESS

>we need refugees to pay for pensions
>implying refugees are ageless workers who will never apply for pension because they never get old

The stupidity of these arguments never cease to amaze me.

Housing and language learning industries benefit tremendously from refugees, hence the strong push from them as they get paid by the government to help shelter and educate the savages.

So how does taking refugees and going into debt to care for them fix anything? I don't deny than countries can go into debt for an economic stimulus, I just don't see the "therefore, we need immigrants" bit, especially when they don't work.

The beaners in the US work harder than their children and commit less crimes though, as they fear deportation. Younger ones have citizenship due to judicial activism so they don't give a shit.

Plus nearly all of the jobs that they're qualified to do will be automated within 10 years.

yeah its complete horseshit.
but as i said, boomers are insanely dumb, naive, and emotion-driven. all the left needs to do is put a few pictures of sad looking brown children on TV and tell a sob story about how they will all suffer and die if we don't take them in, and the boomers will support it.

once this emotional reasoning is established, it is never questioned again. conditioning sets in, and now anything that sounds vaguely pro-refugee is gladly accepted and welcome by the boomer while anything anti-refugee is shunned and dismissed.

that's basically what all these inane non-arguments are
>they pay for our pensions
>they do the jobs noone else does
>they help us figth our demographic crisis
>they enrich our culture
>they integrate and contribute to society

all of these are blatant lies that immediately fall apart under scrutiny, but the boomers blindly accept and support it all because the emotional conditioning has already been established.

No, it's against the law. If the application takes longer than 6 months then the applicant can work a maximum of 24 weeks a year. But good luck finding an employer who is willing to hire you based on that contract. Conclusion you're set for failure and welfare

If anything the oversupply of labor via outsourcing and immigration discourages automation, as you can always find a beaner to do work for cheap.

There's one remedy for refugees. Have more fucking children.

>so how does taking refugees and going into debt to care for them change anything?

It doesn't. It's just what they pitched them.
Bredren you are talking like i'm the one that likes this system

Not true in the least, especially with labor movements calling for minimum wage hikes. Automation will always be cheaper in the long-run.

yeah there's lots of people who make a lot of money from the situation
>govt. institutions handling the situation
>lawyers handling all the anti-deportation lawsuits
>real estate businesses benefitting from increased demand for housing
>private education providers getting lots of govt paid work in refugee education programs

pretty sure it varies by country
in germany they are able (and legally required) to work, but in practice 99% of them never find a job so they just keep collecting unemployment benefits forever

and how else could it turn out? these people do not speak the language, which immediately disqualifies them from like 90% of jobs. their general education level is abysmal, many cant even read and write or do basic math.

for practical purposes they're a bunch of ~20 year old NEETS who dropped out of elementary school and have no skills whatsoever. and on top of that, they come from countries with average IQ levels that range between 70 and 80.

tl;dr by and large they are human trash, completely unemployable.

>I met a guy, a financial advisor that made his stick "moral investing" or "conscious investing," something like that. The guy is married and christian, and thrives on christian investors.

there is definitely a financial advantage to religions. but i suspect any scheme based on gains from the past 30-40 years just because compound interest and buy and hold blue chips would have made great returns even if you were a retarded monkey.

Ah yes the "they do the jobs noone else wants to do".

First of all, that is such incredible bullshit. If you have a normal governmental program that employes the unemployed then they will do those jobs. Literally how hard can it be?

Second of all, I believe that a lot of those particular jobs noone else wants to do (which again I think is a lie on itself) are useless and redundant to begin with. How many cleaners do we need?

Thirdy, and this one is funny, how in the world is that not an extremely racist comment? The leftists that are saying this are literally saying: "yeah you know we don't wanna do those jobs because they're shit but lowlife migrants will do them" or smth.

Hundreds of thousands of people in NL are on benefits but for some reason they are all incapable of doing the jobs the godsend migrants are able to do (which they aren't).

Damnit I am triggered again. user, in case you don't know him and are interested Douglas Murray is a very interesting watch on youtube. He covers this exact topic.

No, I know it is nonsense, I'm just trying to see any way that anyone makes money on this except maybe banks speculating in housing, especially in Europe. Like in the US at least the beaners pick strawberries or work as nannies, the Africans and Arabs hardly work at all.

Yes, sorry. It does vary by country. My mistake, I was focussing too much on NL.

But yes, in practice they are setup for failure exactly for the reasons you mention.

let's just say the Christians have been fully in charge of the social and political agenda. it's never not been the car no matter how much privileged bitching and victim larping they do.

all problems you can pretty much trace back to religious people, and their disdain for intelligence.

> mfw I'm a loser and now I am surrounded by nigerians at work
> mfw they have girlfriends and I'm a virgin

I dont even get angry anymore, to me this entire world is just a joke.

Dude, what the fuck do you even mean? Immigrants (which ~90% has been the "refugees" since 2015) can work legally in the country they come to. Why the fuck do you think the governments promotes so many job related programs for immigrants??
The problem is that these immigrants doesn't want to work, they get housing and welfare which according to their standards is enough.

Claiming it to be the governments fault when the immigrants has all the chances in the world to get a job LEGALLY because the government runs a fucking program for them is just retarded.

Are they all white? kek

>The leftists that are saying this are literally saying: "yeah you know we don't wanna do those jobs because they're shit but lowlife migrants will do them"
Isn't that what farmers say? That white or black people don't want to pick strawberries in fields because it doesn't pay enough, or it does pay a lot but it's a lot of work.
But machines will probably replace a lot of that in the future anyway

of course its all bullshit
media keeps talking about how there is basically "no unemployment" in germany

meanwhile there are some 7 million people collecting unemployment benefits, most of which don't officially count as unemployed because they are currently participating in some of the dozens of 'education' and 'employability' programs that the unemployment agency forces them into.
some of them are also doing some part time government-assisted job that doesnt really pay any money, so they still recieve unemployment benefits in order to keep them alive, but in the official stats they no longer count as "unemployed".

the whole thing really is a massive fucking fraud.

I don't think you need to blame the immigrant themselves if you're right-wing. It's always been the (((governments))) sending in mass amounts of stupid, undeducated, low-skilled illegals under the guise of "refugees". However, you cannot deny that they destabilize and increase crime in said nations.

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In the US farmers don't advertise fieldwork jobs, then cry about a labor shortage, because they don't even want american citizens or legal immigrants to apply. One begins to sympathize with Stalin's treatment of the kulaks.

it's the governments fault because the government is in charge of the borders and immigration policy.

yes the immigrants are disgusting scum, but it is the government who decided to bring them in, so 100% of the blame is on the government.

Banks, investing in Asylum seekers gets people money, appliances, etc.

I used to get angry now I mostly get sad which I still expres in anger I guess. Seeing your own city/country change because of migration and globalization and then hearing some communist screaming how good it is because "change".

>we we're always a immigrant nation
>amsterdam was always a migrant city
>alt right are the most dangerous terrorists
>metoo
>open borders
>more EU because worked so well in the past
>muh trump, muh brexit, muh second referendum
>fake democracy
>irreversible cultural and economical damage

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>They dont even get jobs, let alone create them.

But jew radio said they did. Also that giving free money to fat single moms for mcdonalds somehow makes the world better.

>investing in Asylum seekers gets people money, appliances, etc.
How does this work?

Yeah, I'm sure the just of it was investing in bluechips that had nothing to do with abortion.

I just accept it as the environment I live in. I can deal with the religious; they focus on moral bullshit instead of economics, and they'll vote conservative 9/10 times. I just want a tax break so I can accumulate assets.

Instead of whining you need to get your ass to work so you can make enough money to live in a gated community far away from niggers because this shit is about to get really ugly.

>work hard so you can afford to run away from the foreigners invading your land!

not a very modivating proposition

or stay there and get overrun by niggers who will steal from you and murder your family.
you don‘t have many choices left, most don‘t even realise this.

>muh immigrants are ruining everything
>never even consider having children

Look at graph and read short sentence to understand:

Those that do not work and instead engage in sucking off the teat of government do a service by taking more money from the producers/savers and putting it into the hands of consumer/spenders.

Yes, this completely kills a nation long-term, but that may very well be the goal from the start.

I made myself very clear user.

See Furthermore my exact point is that migrant DO NOT have all the chances in the world and are setup for failure. But you must understand that I am talking about the people that are willing to work not for example somalian migrants who should be shot on sight.

See I don't know whether farmes say that but it would be very likely since those jobs are mostly done by polish migrants. However, my point is that politicians say the same thing while thousand of natives are sitting at home doing nothing.

Ha yes, a couple of years ago I was doing a minor in economics and then the teacher was explaining how the government changed the definition of unemployment and then the numbers suddenly looked really good.

True but
>oh you're right winged
>oh you must hate migrants then

Nope, I cannot and will not deny that. However, my point was more that I believe that governments could have severly reduced crime and destibilzation amongst those groups but completely failed because of retarded actions.

Existing business interests favor the establishment of competition for low-skill labor markets.

There is no opposition to immigration in the economic establishment for obvious reasons. They won their position as economic overlords and directors of the society and they intend to keep that position.

oh fug. Captcha ate it, here

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There are zero economic repercussions to taking in massive amounts of migrants. Diversity is strength. Be a mensch and accept this obvious truth. You don’t want to be racist, do you? Oy vey!

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