I'm gonna open a gourmet bistro in the nicer downtown part of a big city in europe (~1.5 million people)

you have no clue.
who creates your menu?

A bistro is a restaurant and a restaurant needs a chef. You're the autistic one here if you can't see that your little made-up definition of bistro is wrong.

I do
Or you think it requires some kind of special ability to make a menu like this?
I'm a hobby chef, and I've been to hundreds of places I wish to open
Maybe the definition is different where you're from, think of it like a cool gourmet burger place then, you don't need to be a fucking chef to make burgers lol, I've discussed this with a professional, I won't need a chef
or think of it more like a pub, I dont care

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Restaurant with no chef. Topkek

>i am the chef
thats not no chef derp. eventually youll need to train your replacement anyway

That's just splitting hairs then, or maybe your viewpoint because you don't see a person assembling bistro food as a chef. Completely understandable too because there will be worlds of difference in salary for example. For regular people the guy that put together your burger is a chef though.

where did I say it's a restaurant?
please quote me
is seriously everyone autistic on this fucking board?
pic related, it's a place in the city I visit often, it's a cool little bistro, #1 on tripadvisor, always full, it doesnt have a fucking chef and they serve warm food that needs to be cooked

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the """chef""" is the top guy who makes and executes the menu.
if thats you, then YOU ARE THE CHEF

Things that can kill the whole thing.
Food costs/waste/theft.
Labor and employee turnover.
Making sure you do enough volume to support the rent.

If you can handle those things you’ll be fine.

terminological differences, obviously I'm not from an anglo country, of course I don't know the proper term in every fucking place or what you mean by a chef, then I'm the chef, there.
I was talking about the difference between someone who is a professional chef and a random 18 years old dude who learns how to make the 10 dishes from the menu in 2 weeks
Because the point of these places is that the food making proccess is similar to what McDonalds did in the beggining
it works with other dishes not just burger
pic related another cool place in town I like that serves delicious beef food and nobody who works here is an actual cook who studied to be a cook

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the chef isnt the guy who cooks. thats the cook.
the chef creates a menu and executes it with his team of cooks. he tells the cooks how to make the menu and keeps the quality good.
you obviously havent been in f&b environment or you would find out very fast its a full time job to do that.

I will eat there but it will have to be for free, OP. I refuse to pay anything and your food better be tasty

Yeah, I get what you mean now, I'd want to do that, and obviously I have 0 experience in the field, that's why I got the professionals I've mentioned in the op
I also don't have a full time job anyway, my other business requires like 5h worktime / week from me personally, so I think I could do that

unbelievably wrong holy shit

That’s a terrible fucking idea and you should off yourself for having conjured up the very thought of opening another restaurant.

>another
>you have no fucking idea where I live
>restaurant
>its not a fucking restaurant
terrible post, never reply to any of my threads ever again

Razor thin profit margins. Once you think you are making money you will be nickel and dimed and thousand dollar'd evergly week. You'll go out of business and have a huge debt like every other dipshit that opens an independant restaurant or bar.

well good fortune to you, food is a tough as fuck business.
its not a sophisticated business, so deep pockets trump experience as you will learn things as they go. but be warned it is 100% hands on.

From Wikipedia:
“A restaurant (/ˈrɛstərənt, -ɒnt, -ɒ̃/; French: [ʁɛstoʁɑ̃] (About this sound listen)), or an eatery, is a business which prepares and serves food and drinks to customers in exchange for money”

You are a fucking moron

except I don't live in the usa or western eu etc, everything's fucking cheap here, including rent, the salary of emplyees and the raw materials

lol.no u faget

Go visit a place that already does what you want to do, see what they do and make it better.

Unfortunately this is probably true OP.
I've managed breweries, restaurants, bars etc.
Worked every job in them.
I know the industry.
I know how much money is in it.
I know how to manage people, food costs, suppliers, etc.
NO WAY IN HELL I WOULD OPEN A RESTAURANT
Especially one that's just like all of the others.
what makes yours different?
if you can't answer that you'll be out of business in a year.

>there is no difference between a restaurant, a bar, a pub, a café, a bistro and a foodtruck
>muh wikipedia definition
nobody fucking makes here smoked beef ribs, which is a fucking delicious food, that'd be the main profile, which is already unique in this city

Easy, make sure you get professional branding. Marketing is everything in the food industry.

You’re such a fucking idiot. With that money and “cheap everything because m-muh EU” you can finance a property and lease it to retards like yourself. Then just eat at the “bistro” you are leasing to. You’re such a fucking brainlet.
>but my dream is to open a bistro
Cook at home you fucking housewife

/thread

>/thread s his own post in a double post
first, chill the fuck down you shitcoin gambler autist, do you even know what ids are?
then, just close this thread, and never reply to me ever again
fucking mouthbreather plebian

Yeah ok good luck with your faggy bistro. Couldn’t even criticize the knowledge I dropped.

you seem like the who would yell at his customers when they complain that you served them expired, greasy beef.

I bet you will forget to buy napkins and blame everything on other people.

>knowledge I dropped.
let's see that KNAWLEDG
>That’s a terrible fucking idea
>you should off yourself
>From Wikipedia: "..."
>You are a fucking moron
>You’re such a fucking idiot.
>You’re such a fucking brainlet.
>Cook at home you fucking housewife
and you also mentioned the most basic shit someone could, something that even the most retarded pajeet shitcoin flipper likes to parrot on Jow Forums
>buy property!
great knowledge, you're so smart, such a smart knowledgeable boy you are, thanks for your contribution

>first post is trying to dream crush

KYS. Never take advice from this place

>Never take advice from this place
first good post in the thread
what the fuck was I thinking asking Jow Forums
this board is fucking terrible, even for opening crypto related threads
I already have a team of professionals who will help me with everything I just wanted to see if there's SOMEONE on this board who knows something other than "LEL U R A FAG KYS BUY PROPERTY RETARD BUY LINK"

Proceed with caution unless you have culinary and restaurant management skills on par with an experienced chef.

If you don't and have to rely on outside skill, it may very well make your life a living hell if the (often moody) chef walks out one day
>t. worked at restaurant owned by successful aerospace engineer that kept hemmoraging money because the kitchen was a revolving door

>ran a successful business
>assumes this will carry over to an overly saturated market
>thinks “shitcoins” aren’t worthy of his time
It’s like you don’t understand inefficiency

Better make sure that shit is halal if you want your business to last more than 5 years.

Unless your prices are outragously expensive, you'll want to be able to handle more than 20 covers. I'd recommend doubling that figure and you could easily cater for 40 covers with 5-6 well trained staff. Find a manager with common sense and who knows how to be respected. Unfortunately 99.999% of women don't fit these criteria so that's an easy way to narrow down your choices. It doesn't matter whether they have 3, 5, 10 or 50 years of experience, after a couple years in the industry you learn it all. If the manager is disrespectful or allows employees to be disrespectful you'll be spending a lot of money unnecessarily. Hire a good chef. A good chef will save you a lot of money.

Unironically this. Even in a low Muslim pop area you will notice them swarm to you if your offer halal food. And I'm not sure what it's like in central Europe but in UK offering halal will keep the paki food mafia from bothering you.

>Or you think it requires some kind of special ability to make a menu like this?
>""""""""gourmet""""""""" bistro
Yes, you need a professional chef to make a menu your stupid fuck, or you'll be one of the 50% of restaurants that close within 12 months of establishment

0 muslims here, 95% of the population is caucasian/ethnic, the muslim hate is probably the highest here in EU

Serve the porkiest pork ribs and hire armed guards. You'll get foot traffic just from the inevitable media controversy. I literally only entered this thread bc you mentioned ribs, so don't fuck them up by playing the muzzie's games and making beef ones. Offer all sorts of dry rubs as well as bbq sauce. I'm sure its hard to find quality, American bbq in the EU

Everytime someone talks about opening business some fags come scare you, just go for it, you already have more experience than 99% here

there are many people who got rich in other businesses then opened up a successful restaurant. cooking isnt THAT hard. deep pockets are more important for a restaurant imo

not like anything here could discourage me, I already made up my mind and I know some people in the industry who will do all the dirty work me (I pay them), I just wanted to see Jow Forums opinion, but I was too optimistic, shouldn't have bothered honestly
and I don't even want to do this because I think it'll generate a lot of money

What the fuck is a bistro?

well no shit. you're asking about something that's commonly known to be a high failure rate business. sure, follow your passions and what not, but nobody is going to tell you it's a good investment in good conscience. you may as well be asking people if you should start sky diving.

just out of curiosity, what was your previous line of work?

you mean my other business?
alternative clothing

Ok you've passed step one.
do you know what the number 1 restaurant type to go out of business is?
BBQ.
do you know why?
have you ever used a smoker?
Smoked foods require large inventories of freshly smoked foods
This means a much larger chance of food loss.

you never open a business unless you have a competitive advantage
going bankrupt will be a good life lesson for you though

I like reading these absolute fucking brainlet tier posts from retards who never opened a business in their fucking life and spout random shit they think is clever

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yeah. If something goes wrong in the "alternative clothing" industry you can box up the tshirts in your garage and sell at your leisure.

If someone doesn't show up for a shift,,, you are losing money on rent, losing customer reputation, and losing inventory to spoilage.

Based on how you have been responding to light criticism, you will have your knee caps broken within 3 months.

I will never understand the negativity of you tards
NO DONT DO THAT ITS RISKY
yeah no shit its risky lol
my dad's been entrepreneur for 40 years now, went through countless different businesses, lot of them failed, lot of them didn't, now he earns more than 95% of the people in the country
I will listen to him before listening to autist retards like you, and one thing he always said, never be afraid of risk

I don't understand what's the problem here. It seems like you have already /made it/ and you have knowledge about it.

Calculate your costs and shit that can go wrong and then calculate your possible revenues and see the worst case scenarios and what not.

Compare your restaraunt/bistro whatever the fuck it is prices to other similar style places or even McDonalds and see if you can compete with them price wise.

There's no point in reading comments where people say "it's a hard business". Just calculate stuff and make a bet. At the end of the day if your sandwich tastes good and it costs about the same as a Big Mac then you'll get people buying your sandwiches.

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no one is saying that.
people are pointing out the risks.
you are responding by flipping out. If that is how you handle conflict, you are going to get eaten alive. we sense how fragile you are and it's our instinct to mock you.

did you post this just for an ego stroke?
we are telling you that if leiu of experience you will need:
1. rock solid logistics
2. some type of marketing plan
3. impeccable personnel management
4. SOMEONE WHO CAN MAKE FOOD

the people who are pointing out the risks, looking at their posts, have no fucking idea about anything in the real world that is not related to the infamous oracle problem
>you are responding by flipping out
this is Jow Forums lol, I already have 3 employees who are braindead retarded, and always make me mad, they never seen me mad though, been having them for 3 years now, and I can handle it / deal with them just fine
>If that is how you handle conflict
you don't know how I handle conflict though
>we sense how fragile you are and it's our instinct to mock you.
no, the posters here are literal children and manchildren, with an average iq of 90, gambling on shitcoins and posting AAAAA memes
>did you post this just for an ego stroke?
I posted it to get replies from people who are actually in this industry, business owners, I tried my luck and I failed
>rock solid logistics
I already have a team specialized in restaurant logistics who will work for me
> some type of marketing plan
have that too
>impeccable personnel management
we will see, I have experience with employees in 2 different businesses
>SOMEONE WHO CAN MAKE FOOD
this is already solved as well

dont listen to these faggots biz is full of losers who never ran a business in their life. most of the retards here are stocking shelves and waiting for their shitcoins to moon. godspeed user which country are you in btw? i hate muslims and always looking for nice white countries for my retirement.

Budapest is where I'll open it

noice best of luck
and protip never come here for serious questions or advice. biz is for shitposting only.

I hold only one coin, and the threads regarding that coin's discussion were pretty good, and are good, compared to the usual stuff, still only like 50% of threads get actual discussion that aren't shitposts but still.

Half of restaurant startups fail within 3 years, but if you've done the research and have the demand for that type of restaurant in that location you'll probably be fine.

You seem easily angered and will likely not make it

I already made it

>That’s a terrible fucking idea and you should off yourself for having conjured up the very thought of opening another restaurant
This.
OP, I beg of you, do NOT go forward with this idea. You will close within 12 months of opening.

I was a cook for a few years. I think you're unaware of the role of both the chef and the cook. If you think you'll be able to make the same food day after day, timely and consistently, with no experience cooking professionally, think again. Your home-cook standards will not be up to task of making the same recipes exactly the same, to scale, with varying produce. You say 18 year olds can do this? Yes they can, but only with strict oversight.

The actual 'cooking' part is a tiny part of a typical chef's job too, and isn't all that a cook does either. While you're getting to grips with learning how to cook to acceptable professional standards, all of the other essential aspects will be affected (staff management, supplier relations, inventory planning, hygiene and so on). You're saying that you have professionals covering logistics, but unless these professionals are on staff, then they wont be any help. These things need constant daily management.

Obviously you'll learn to manage a kitchen if you're driven, but this process could take months (or realistically, years), by which time your brand/balance sheet could be in the dirt. Just hire a professional chef or cook for 6 months and learn alongside them.

Having said all that, I wish my city had places with nice ribs. Good luck.

>fucking mouthbreather plebian
Nevermind, I hope you start the business and see that Jow Forums was right for once.

I am easily angered - why won’t I make it?

3 main points
Get a great chef, even if expensive
Design the place nicely
Avoid placing it in a diverse location

OP, it's evident you're extremely fragile based on what you're saying in this thread. I doubt you'll be able to handle your employees effectively, nor respond well to negative customer feed-back.

Yeah - make sure you have your fucking demographics nailed down and your theme and product as simple and as tight as shit.

I run a restaurant. 7 years. Profitable. Pro tip. It isnt about the food.

What is it then?

smoked beef ribs are amazing. this can work OP but you need to get your shit straight. I strongly suggest heading on a trip to southern United States and visit the BBQ legends and try their food. smoking meat is an art. it is not consistent, you need to adapt and adjust during every cook. don't use an electric smoker, that's gay as fuck. you need to have a pit or some nice big smokers. only wood. don't fuck around OP and you can make it.

>hobby chef,

This is why this will fail. Restaurants come and go on a high turnover, every where in the EU, and the US. Very few of them make money. Real chefs struggle to the get the right balance of everything to get attention and clientele. You'll probably close your doors within 3 months, very few last longer, especially the first time out.

It's your money, do what you want. Have you done any research on the actual demand/interest in beef and ribs? The market's tastes and interest change every season.

I used to work in the food industry, supplying high end and mid range restaurants, among others, and trust me, if you make it past 3 months, I'll be shocked. Everyone thinks it's easy, until they try it.

Which means your prices will have to be low, to match people's budgets.

You're going to lose every dime, like everyone else.

ok great. Sounds like you do have a decent plan. My only last thought would be to learn everything you can about what the "experts" you hire do, or else you could lose your profits once they figure out they are irreplaceable.

good luck. Wish you the best

Everytime I want to do something in life all the people around me and on the internet say "no dont do it, thats a stupid idea, you will fail", and you know what? I never fucking listen/listened to them. Thank. Fucking. God. Because they were always wrong. You are wrong. I will do it, and I will succeed, and I don't really care if you or anyone in this thread believes it, I will do it
I just wanted to have a discussion about the topic, not this "no dont do it, u know nothing about it, you will fail, u will lose everything, u r stupid" shitfest
Fuck you guys, you wont bring me down

12 months? Try 3 months, and I'm being generous. He hasn't even started dealing with getting liquor licenses and food handling approval, and all of the other million things you need to start a joint - and he's gonna do smoked beef ribs, which requires specialized equipment, refrigeration, and smoking ribs DAILY. Not to mention the rest of the menu, most people like sides with their ribs.

Just laugh at him, he'll be just another among millions that thinks opening a restaurant is easy, and will lose everything the first quarter - if he even opens his doors at all, he's in eastern europe, where the mob controls everything. He'll fail to bribe the right people, and get fucked up the ass before he can sign a lease.

You didn't come here for advice, you made this thread with the narcissistic expectation that you would be showered with awe and praise.

A french word for "small restaurant".

Budapest is a foodie city. You'll need an above average menu and presentation to make it more than a month there. Good luck. With your attitude, you should probably serve around...0 meals.

>5 posts in 10 minutes all the same "lel u r a fag, u will fail"
somehow I doubt the good intetion is making you post this much this fast

Ah, I get it, you're larping.

Good one. You almost had me fooled.

Wow, you're really autistic, aren't you? You're gonna try and neckbeard me with post counts? LOL. You weak assed faggot. Keep sperging, this is hilarious.

larping because I don't let negative people influence me...?
what?

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>With your attitude, you should probably serve around...0 meals
I'd be more supportive of OP if he didn't project such an aura of smug superiority to everybody else. Customers would likely flee his establishment when he screeches at them for the most minor of complaints.

I don't believe he's anything more than a troll. Posts like his sprout like mushrooms on shit when the charts are down.

A very committed troll if that's the case.

you're fucking retarded m8, sort yourself out

Enjoy losing a lot of money, shit bird.

This. What a stupid nigger.
>it's a bistro, not a restaurant
>not a restaurant

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