Why is America incapable of building a high speed rail network the way China did?

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We had high-speed trains in the 1940s.

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the shame....

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this is the correct answer. amerifats think that spending 18 days a year in a car is freedom. standard oil, general motors and ford really did a great job brainwashing 50 years of American society.

>Stupid chink insect

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The U.S. economy is built with the auto industry in mind. If a successful high speed rail network was built, the auto industry and everything supporting it (insurance companies, road builders, police making quotas on pulling people over) will be disrupted, and they would lose their reliable source of money. Government is also terrible at managing public transportation and is willing to let the project fail if they get paid to do so, and so put two and two together.

>15 days in a train and commuting for 3 hours a day waiting at 2 different stops is better, while there are nigerians and turks all over you and you have to walk around a disgusting litter infested station full of trash and cigarette buds

ah yes Europe, that is true freedom.

I think it's just because they don't really want it. they use cars and airplanes.

China actually doesn't mind losing money on something they consider a long-term investment. American politicians don't think that far.

that's literally untrue. europeans don't commute to work via high speed train. metro is not high speed train though having a good metro is important. and commuting isn't as bad for health as waiting in 2 hour traffic. stop browsing Jow Forums or if u insist, stop shitting up this board.

>airplanes
This. Use my plane to go to the supermarket. Stay mad 3rd worlders.

60% of the chinese population is still using bicycle as a method of transportation

days in a train and commuting for 3 hours a day waiting at 2 different stops is better, while there are nigerians and turks all over you and you have to walk around a disgusting litter infested station full of trash and cigarette buds
Thank you for informing us about burgerland infrastructure but you didn’t need to do it. We all know

All of these
But also this
You probably can't even ride a bike, fatass

they spend their tax money on niggers, spics, and israel

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in a country like japan, it's basically like several big cities and the rest so the high speed rail network is very important if you live a city or not. people can go to tokyo using trains from almost anywhere in japan. the US isn't like that. an american state is like one country and they go like use your fucking car

I read in somewhere the their military budget eats to much of their whole budget so they can really do improvements in their own country while they want to be the top military power.

Sorry for my ignorance, but rail speed rail are used to transport goods? So far I've only see it used for public transportation and I don't see that as a top priority thing.

Military spending is insanely high, but it isn't using most of our budget

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This is by far the most important point ITT

Democracy was a mistake

>eliminate veteran's benefits and military budget
>remove agricultural subsidies
>spend it all on transportation, energy and environment, education and science.
not gonna happen but one can dream.

Jow Forums underestimates the us too much
they get anything if they really want

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population density isn't high enough for it to be profitable. it's only barely feasible in the northeastern US, and some of those areas already have decent rail systems

On the contrary, I think we overestimate the US.

They've been a powerful country for fewer than 150 years, and a superpower for fewer than 75 years. There is no reason to believe they're somehow destined to survive as a superpower for much longer. After all, Britain's period as a superpower was at most a couple of centuries, and that's if you're being generous and counting from the end of the 7 years' war to the Suez Crisis; in reality, one should probably just count from the Industrial Revolution (say the Regency Era) to the end of WW1, which gives only a century as a superpower.

>guys let just turn our country into a parking lot

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canada doesn't have extensive hsr for the exact same reasons.

High speed rail would barely affect the auto industry. What the fuck are you on?

I would rather live in America than China, don't care what any of you gay people say.

it would certainly have an effect

No it wouldn't. Everyone would still be driving in cars for commuting within metro areas. Are you retarded?

Mormons are like that too.

why wouldn't commuters take the train if it's faster and/or cheaper

Because aviation better fits the needs of a country as topographically diverse as America. Also aircraft can be effortlessly switched onto different routes to fit demand. Not to mention air travel is way cheaper to construct and maintain.

A plane go from Houston to Chicago to New Orleans to New York and back to Houston all in one day. And the next day it go to Los Angeles, Portland, Denver and kansas City. All with the same crew, same equipment and same regulations.

Not to mention air travel is markedly faster and markedly safer than rail these days. Also its way, way less manpower intensive. Two flight crew, three cabin crew, ATC at each end, a couple gate agents, air refueller, engineer and three or four ramp agents. That's all it really takes for a plane to get from point A to point B.

HSR doesn't make sense anymore really unless its heavily state subsidized. Its just too expensive to maintain.

thanks to retard boomers who love sucking american cock. seriously, canadian nationalist is synonymous for american cock slut. god i hate NA

You're legitimately dumb.

the answer is in the picture that you posted. The US that went to the moon isn't the US that exists right now.

Because America wants its citizens to suffer for the rich. Same as China but in different ways.

A network covering every major city east of the Mississippi should be feasible and comparable to China's network. Then a separate one going down the west coast too of course, which should be so simple that it's an embarrassment there isn't one.

>A plane go from Houston to Chicago to New Orleans to New York and back to Houston all in one day
You're correct for those sorts of distances. But if you're talking about trips like NorCal-SoCal then it's not quite as advantageous for air travel.

cause they prefer cars

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tel_Aviv–Jerusalem_railway

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I want a goddamn high speed network linking upstate NY to the city already. I'm not gonna buy a plane ticket there and there's no reason why Rochester shouldn't be linked to the city without driving for hours.

One hour flight time with thirty minute turns means you can make ten or more trips in one day on the same airliner between LAX and SFO.

>markedly safe than rail
japan has had literally 0 deaths on its rails

the US today is too divided and the government too paralysed to do anything beneficial for the public effectively

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literally the only viable region for hsr right now is the bos-wash corridor, where they are currently upgrading all the trains and rail lines.
hsr only makes sense in areas where they can make frequent stops to let on heaps of passengers. this wouldn't happen with an LA/SF line for example

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and the US aviation industry has had one death in ten years. in that same span more than one-hundred people have died on trains in the EU.

>and the US aviation industry has had one death
are you forgetting about something?

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im not riding any sort of public transportation system until the country is majority white again

That's never happening.

happened like twenty years ago

people like trains for autistic reasons but it is a FACT that air travel is objectively better in every way except when it comes to the environment. but the environment is already fucked so whats the use in changing now.

Public transportation is for faggots which explains why there are so many fucking homos here.

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and?

Shinkansen has been operating for 40+ years, nice job only looking at the past 10 years. But this really isn't an argument between air travel and rail travel. air and rail are both important but you mentioned that rail is expensive. you do realize that air travel is heavily heavily subsidized and that airplanes still don't make a profit on economy flights? Not to mention air fares for passengers in the US are much more expensive than in europe precisely because there isn't a diversified mix of both airline carriers AND options like travelling rail.

And about european rail safety. i may be wrong so give me sources of what kind of rails you are looking at but high speed rails are not the same as rails. high speed rails have their own tracts and don't mix with cars. that's the reason japan has 0 casualties.

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you are dumb. to solve the problem of lack of housing in major cities we need an effective rail line. there are some distances that are too far to drive yet too short to fly. this is where rail is very very effective.

That is not and accident.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colgan_Air_Flight_3407

I'm thinking the US airline industry also

they are an authoritarian government that can focus on shit without the bureaucracy to bog it down and we arent, also they just put minorities into camps while we have to coddle ours and if a finger is laid on them mass outrage ensues

High speed rail would be perfect for this country but boomers don't want to do it because they're lobbied by motor companies to continue building highways and parking lots.

>profitable
There is your problem: Americans don't understand economics.

Some corridors maybe but this grand vision for HSR across the USA is ridiculous and impossible. Generally speaking the high speed doesn't save that much time if its over such short distance.

it would be far from perfect, we are about the same size land area wise as china but they are much much more dense than US. Yeah maybe on the coasts it could be alright but still not as effective as it is for china's situation

>A plane go from Houston to Chicago to New Orleans to New York and back to Houston all in one day. And the next day it go to Los Angeles, Portland, Denver and kansas City. All with the same crew, same equipment and same regulations.
What the fuck? No, mate. That's not how commercial flight is like at all.

a transnational rail link from LA to New York would be extrememly ambitious but it might be possible but all other transnational rail links would not make sense i agree. however, that's not the same thing has having a network. there is no reason why every major city in America should not be developing high speed rail to connect regions with high population and cheap housing to the more expensive urban centers. Not to mention, building high speed rail employs far more people than the aviation industry. Microsoft is thinking of building a private HSR to connect Silicon Valley, Oregon, Seattle and Vancouver which would be quite possibly the best thing to happen to the West coast.

Are you joking? If we could have hsr maybe a person from one capital city state can travel to the next without 9 hours of driving or flying. Density literally doesn't matter for railroads. We had rail systems in the 1800s when the west was barely fucking populated. Of course it's more effective for china because they have a billion people but that doesn't mean it wouldn't work at all for us. Christ man

train tickets are already more expensive than plane tickets while being much slower, would this be cheaper or at least quicker than air travel? unless this is for intracity travel which seems excessive

A lot of those railroads were built by Chinese immigrants as well, lel.

>It's the terrain!
Not a problem for Japan
>It's the privately owned land!
Not a problem for Europe
>It's the expense!
Not a problem for China

That explains well the shit quality of american railways then

actually hsr is most efficient with short distances and frequent stops
at moderate distances, cars are most efficient, with planes being best at long distances

Based

>a transnational rail link from LA to New York would be extrememly ambitious but it might be possible
>Would literally cost more than triple a plane ticket and take 10 times as long.
Sorry but with how prevalent air travel is, trains serve little purpose except for shipping goods. I will not pay for a train from here in LA to San Fran when i can just pay 40ish dollars for a short range flight. I can go to New York for 90 dollars if i book in advance too.

>DUDE LIKE WTF EVEN ARE SUBSIDIES BRO. I LOVE PAYING 700 DOLLARS FOR AN AIRFARE EVEN THOUGH ITS HEAVILY SUBSIDIZED BY FEDERAL DOLLARS AND EUROPEAN AIRFARES ARE 1/10TH OF WHAT I PAY BECAUSE THEY HAVE RAIL+AIR TRAVEL OPTIONS.

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depends on the model. an LCC like southwest which operates point-to-point is going to have different rosters than hub-and-spokes. the general point is that aircraft can effortlessly be used to adjust to demand and since they are modular to any airport that can receive their type (basically all commercial airports in the USA have gates that can handle anything less than a 747) they are way more economical than trains.

Get your head out your ass. Nearly all domestic flights from coast to coast are less than $100

America had the best rail system on earth for quite a while

europeans literally have flights for 10 dollars dumbass.

No, these were the major freight arteries which are still functioning to this day. The Chinese are reknown for their ability to create solid rail lines. There are lines in Africa, built by Chinese immigrants and locals decades ago which still function as vital communication lines for a large amount of passengers. It is something the Chinese have been doing for a long time.

Why are autists always making threads about high speed rail? I've made one round trip to SF once in the past 5 years for job interviews. Is there a great need for intercity travel that I'm not aware of?

>DUDE I LOVE THE HASSLE OF FLYING

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So? This is here, that's over there. Also show me 10 dollar flights from Lisbon to Moscow

why are you so mad about me asking a question kek, have sex incel

Dude, even in LAX i only take less than 20 minutes in lines. Stop living in your moms bf's basement. lol

Its Canada's aviation industry that's hopelessly fucked up by government bullshit, not America's.

having high speed rail will allow people to live further away from cities while still being to participate economically in a city. people in fatland have to wait in traffic for 3 hours a day just to go to work and back. the average amerifat spends 18 days in a shitbox just in traffic. this would also help ease affordable housing problems.

>they are way more economical than trains.
No they aren't. You are blinded by ideology, mate.

>dude anecdote lmaoooo!

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