How do incels exist when there are 7 billion people in the world?
Do you guys live rurally or in small towns? There's 2.8 million people in my city and many hot girls date average guys. There's so many places to get laid such as bars clubs etc. too. so many places to meet people. so many easy girls. How is it possible? The girls are all very well dressed and educated and pretty often. and of all different racial backgrounds in a city whether european, asian, latina, etc.
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They lack confidence. 80% of their problem is in the head basically, and 20% in the real world
>grew up in small town of 20k
>visit city
>feel left out on life experiences
>tfw 80% of people live in cities in the us
>tfw the 20% peasant class
You probably have more chances of having sex in smaller towns, bigger cities tend to alienate zoomers, which are often the virgins
you already made this thread
coz this is the type of girl i attract
i've never made out with a single white good-looking girl
zoomers live in suburbs with their parents dude everyone in a city is either 20-40ish or
women's standards are even higher in big cities too
She looks like me before I had FFS
Not every white girl is good looking and this is coming from someone who lives in a majority white town. You only think white women are attractive, because you see cherry picked images and "whiteness" is something different from your surroundings
Bullshit dude i barely see any good looking guys in chicago but tons of hot women with normal dudes.
maybe the guys have money tho
they look like they cook good food and will be desperate enough to do what you want
marry one then cheat on her
Well, a wallet defeats everything
Inceldom is a lack of socializing, if you combine that lack of attractiveness, your chance of not being an incel is slim to none.
An attractive incel can in some cases make a comeback trough apps like Tinder if he is isolated, provided he is attractive and has the confidence. An ugly incel has no chance at all past a certain point once all natural avenues of socialization are used up, e.g after the usual age of university or other avenues were there is a large pool of female subjects.
I don't want to "get laid".
I want to get married to a nice, pure girl and build a decent family together.
>How do incels exist when there are 7 billion people in the world?
half of them are in china india and africa
because feminism and modern society allow women and emphasize their hupergameous nature to express : the best males get all the attention from females, ugly, socially inept males are out
I have autism
I’m asian
Not true. The upper crust of the big cities maybe but the majority of the people in big cities are middle to lower class.
are you a female? what is FFS?
>An ugly incel has no chance at all past a certain point once all natural avenues of socialization are used up, e.g after the usual age of university or other avenues were there is a large pool of female subjects.
really? i don't think you have to meet girls in university. a lot of girls can be met through work or socializing at bars etc. even just cold approaches dude.
>the best males get all the attention from females
Objectively untrue.
plenty of latin american and eastern european girls and also east asians and foreigners in general in cities that want to get married to americans and get citizenship bro
asian girls are mostly with asian/hapa dudes here bro, or rich white guys. that's no excuse senpai, also fucktons of asians in chicago at least, behind whites and blacks they're probably the biggest group, maybe tied with hispanics.
He said lack of socializing. If he's not railroaded into certain scenarios like college he won't make it cause the other options require skill.
He can still make it provided he's willing to fail miserably a bunch times.
yeah this
chads honestly don't even get laid as often as rich guys. rich guys, unironically, dudes that drive nice cars, bentleys ferraris porsches teslas lamborghinis etc. and live in penthouses easily get the most pussy. EASILY. like you can be a chad and get pussy here for sure but chicks in cities want guys with money. i don't really see that many chads here anyway. maybe it's my city but i think like 95-99% of men are not chad.
Yeah i live in a town with sligthly less than 9000 people, almost everyone leaves for university/work after high school and most of them are not planning to return
And if youre even slightly odd and autistic then every person of your age knows it
Why do you automatically assume they are talking about money?
man meeting chicks at college isn't even that great. a lot of them already have boyfriends and many of them are just there to show up to class and leave, at least where i went to school nobody really talked to each other outside of school related shit. like these incel dudes in question if they're ugly and unsociable it doesnt really matter what the setting is. and honestly i'd just get tinder if you're an incel and just fake confidence
>And if youre even slightly odd and autistic then every person of your age knows it
you mean like in general from mannerisms or just in your small town because of word of mouth?
living in the city is cool because you're anonymous basically. you can fuck up majorly and then just never see someone again.
Do normies not realise that incels have never ever in their entire lives had a woman look at them and smile?
>socialising at a bar
at pubs you sit with your friends generally
Americans can't be incels
College is way better than tinder. The trick is not to depend on classes, specifically, though that's a not a bad option if girls are willing to socialize. Clubs and activity groups are even better. It gets infinitely harder to meet people after college.
80/20 principle
Note the OP flag, everyone here smiles at everyone. It means nothing. If you came here people would smile at you too.
Shit take, white girls are the ONLY girls worth being with, for their pale fair skin and blonde hair are the ultimate feminine characteristics. Dark women are more masculine, especially negresses.
>provided he is attractive
no shit. That's the point we're trying to make. If you want to escape inceldom, then you have to be attractive. However if you're attractive, then you cannot be an incel, you can only be a volcel.
yeah but he does have a point. obv if you're rich you can get any pussy you want in a city but most people in cities aren't richfags even in the nice parts, moreso middle and upper middle class, with an underclass working in the service industry.
I've been to america 3 times for around a month each
I've never had anyone smile at me, unless they are a service worker; in that case once they have my money I don't exist anymore lelel
how do you explain incels then ? and the sexual, affective misery of lots of men
thanks for proving my point, the best males (rich or physically ) get all the attention
The 50 years cashier lady at the grocery store smiled at me on Saturday
IOIs are bullshit, you as a fellow incel should know this. Women smile at any man, but it's just either to be "nice", virtue signal, or try to win favors such as tips if she's a waitress.
All good women, esp. white women are taken by the time high school is over.
*50 years old
>It gets infinitely harder to meet people after college.
honestly don't agree. you can still pick up college chicks in your late 20s as an established dude. it's probably easier even. but a lot of guys are settled down with wives by then. even early 30s is good but after 35 you should have a wife probably. can't imagine trying dating after that age
clubs and activity groups? that sounds corny as fuck to me. imo it's better to just make friends they'll introduce you to girls. especially make friends with females who have female friends that are single.
i guess like nightclubs/frat parties are ok to meet women too, even bars, but you'll mostly be meeting trash women and its honestly not even fun.
bullshit even in my city most girls just have boyfriends and their boyfriends are around their league or even lower. but they could be rich-ish guys, i don't really know.
Okay? I guess that is a point, but not a very relevant one.
I find that a bit hard to believe, I'm hideous and I get smiled at frequently enough. Where did you visit? The East Coast can be pretty unfriendly, but even then.
yeah but rich guys aren't biologically the "best guys" at all, they're often not chads at all. you could be incel tier but be rich as fuck and you'd get laid all the time.
guys, there's literal hookers that walk around my fucking city starting at like 7:30 PM. how the fuck are you not getting laid, move to a city ASAP if you're incel and just pay for sex
why do you keep making these typea of threads, you have some tourism job or working for 1% to try to get all USAnons into the cities?
California, arizona
I am fairly sure my issue is not being socialised
I just wish I was not invisible
its more an american thing to smile to everbody, im ugly, girls dont smile to me and they dont like when im around
There’s only 100k inhabitants in my city
just saying mostly its the upper crust that wants rich ass dudes like he said. they mingle among their own and are a small fraction of any city.
most chicks are regular middle class 6-8.5/10s and they fuck avg dudes from the 5-7/10 range really often
Your standards are not indicative of female standards. I mean if you want to argue with personal anecdotes then please go ahead, I prefer to prove 80/20 right with evidence and facts. 80% of men in this world are incel, the vast majority refuse to admit it. While you may see a few men out with their gfs being chad and all, there are WAY more men like us stuck in our own homes glued to our computers trying to escape a world which marginalizes us and dooms us to die alone, sad, in a pool of our own shit and piss. All we can do is lay down and rot, and it sucks.
*smiles at you*
Now go get 'em, tiger.
>All good women, esp. white women are taken by the time high school is over.
now this is true. this is the real feel. you're not getting a virgin if you didn't meet her in HS.
but the point is just getting laid and escaping inceldom, which is piss easy in any city. tons of single chicks. just lower your standards instead of needing to lose it to some pure virgin 10/10. there's plenty of single not-too-used up 6-8/10s that you can fuck that are clean, if you're an incel you can't really do better anyway.
this is the thing. girls can be like 8/10s but know they're used up so they go for 5/10 or 6/10 guys you can just play them
when i say the best males i include rich men. Hookers dont solve the problem, they offer a sexual service for money, they dont give you affection, consideration and attention, wich is what most incels want, somebody who cares to them and who wants them. Its better than nothing of course but trust me its doesn"t help you on the long term
i'm just trying to spread the word. i grew up rurally with no people but once i moved to the city it was pussy city.
girls in rural areas/small towns are prudish unless you're chad. it's actually harder to get laid there. everyone hitches each other in HS and the girls go for chads because in HS nobody has money yet, in the cities it's the opposite, women settle down with the richest guys and dont care how they look.
If only this were actually true haha. Meanwhile if you look at statistics from online dating sites such as Okcupid, you would realize that while men have reasonable standards for women which follow a bell curve, women exhibit 80/20 distribution in how they rate men. It proves the Pareto principle, which dictates that 80% of reactions come from 20% of actions. Given we live in a free sexual marketplace, it is not a radical proposal to state that our sexual marketplace operates like an economic market, and is therefore subject to the same laws of supply and demand as well as the principles such as Pareto.
>80% of men in this world are incel
a tip: "standards" includes much more than just wealth and looks. It includes charm, thoughtfulness, generosity, kindness, dedication, hygiene, poise, et cetera. If you think a girl's standards are too high just because you're broke and not very attractive, what you are missing is a good personality and heart.
>they dont give you affection, consideration and attention
i mean if you pay enough they do probably come close enough.
and i'm sure some incels just want to bust a nut bro. it's def better than nothing.
the thing is like 90% of dudes that are settled down don't have somebody that's some pure 10/10 virgin who loves and cares about them all the time, most of those dudes have nagging cunts for gfs
the only times ive been to big cities in the US most girls are womanlets or goblinas and tinder is even more of a shithole full of the most degenerate and freakish """women""" id ever seen
That's why sex is completely overrated, and why incels are going to be forever stuck in a pit of hell. Your choices will inevitably be older women who are used up, hence why the opposite of my previous chart is true for singles aged 50-59, or the near-elderly post-menopausal females. If you're lucky you can statusmax your way into some jailbait Southeast Asian peasant or a mail order bride from Eastern Europe. The sad truth is that many incels do resort to escorts, and they never feel the satisfaction that teenage love brings for a chad in high school. If you haven't had sex by age 18, you are essentially doomed.
>While you may see a few men out with their gfs being chad and all
i mean maybe it's the fact that dudes with their gfs are more likely to go outside. it could be that the incels do stay in and shit. idk.
even then though the dudes i see with relatively attractive gfs are not chads.
>Southeast Asian peasant
And lose any all status. Let's not pretend like you need anything other than money and the willingness to spend it to get some SEA monkey to marry.
ok cupid isn't a very good data set because autistic men wont get any irl just period but a chicks attractiveness is almost entirely physical and men do the approaching and are evolved to put their penis into as many 18-30 year old women as possible before they die.
I have a small dick
its basically ruined my confidence and also makes me nervous to get intimate with anyone, so I just don’t try. I couls probably pull a girl on tinder or so but I don’t even want to. The sex would be bad
>this post
You're delusional, and i know it. I live near SF, and it is the most quintessential city for how 80/20 works. Personality means nothing. It goes looks, status, then personality. Looks are of the utmost importance, with race, face, and height being the three great determinants for sexual success.
The only thing personality serves is as a front for women to claim that they are not biased and/or only in it for the looks, but studies show that women lie about the importance of personality. A lot in fact.
source: livescience.com
finlad ignored me
yeah but most women end up settling for non-chads. literally just go outside dude.
>okcupid stats
There it is. The completely garbage contexttless stats brought up by the blackpill tards who think they understand the sexual marketplace or attraction. Big hint: Chads aren't really the top 20% of pure attractiveness. Many incels and guys who rarely fuck are attractive, Chadliness is about charisma and status.
>Given we live in a free sexual marketplace, it is not a radical proposal to state that our sexual marketplace operates like an economic market
Maximum brainlet. Not only do we not have a free economic market, but we do not have a free sexual marketplace as well. Multiple confounding factors are at play.
The pareto principle has not been proved in the dating scene in any metric.
>ok cupid isn't a very good data set
wrong, not only is online dating the 2nd most popular way to find a relationship, but OKCupid is specially chosen by myself in regards to arguments because it tows the line between a proper hookup app like Tinder and a long term relationship site such as Christian Mingle. It is right in the median, so don't go tell me that my sources are fucked up. I've had this argument hundreds of times, I know what i'm talking about.
Do you really want to waste your time and money on a 35+ year old ex-stacy who only is with you for your money and is inevitably going to cheat on you behind your back with some other Chad, or older Chad? Taking a woman who is settling for you is so cucked, moreso than adopting an Ethiopian child or watching blacked porn
I legitimately think they don't exist in this country, unless other kiwis want to correct me
>There it is. The completely garbage contexttless stats brought up by the blackpill tards who think they understand the sexual marketplace or attraction.
>Multiple confounding factors are at play.
The pareto principle has not been proved in the dating scene in any metric.
Please cite evidence which contrasts with mine. I'm waiting patiently.
these posts both make pretty valid points. in the end its a combination of everything.
yeah personality and charm etc. does matter and makes a decent difference but like the other user said physical attraction makes it so much fucking easier, especially height + race + face and having a decent dick even. as far as physicality goes he nailed it but yeah money and personality goes into it too and you can have 2/3 of these things and do just fine dating.
just stop caring is all i can really say, i think girls won't really even give a shit if you have things going for you. just dont have casual sex and look for a relationship
Did you read the article? It matters more than most women admit, not that it's the end all be all.
The guy spouting "personality is everything" is retarded, but the fact is that attractiveness for men does not work the same way it does for women.
>Do you really want to waste your time and money on a 35+ year old ex-stacy who only is with you for your money and is inevitably going to cheat on you behind your back with some other Chad, or older Chad? Taking a woman who is settling for you is so cucked, moreso than adopting an Ethiopian child or watching blacked porn
if you're a successful late 20s dude you can get a pretty non-used early 20s chick or even 18-19 y/o one, maybe even a virgin in some cases.
The pareto principle literally has no scientific articles or evidence backing it up when it comes to the modern dating scene. Give me the evidence so I can disprove it.
Can't be incel if you never tried, though in my case I live kind of in the countryside so the chances to even try are pretty low but putting that aside, I'm actually a hopeless romantic. I can't stand people with no sense of self-respect and lack of manners, I feel I'd be happier alone than staying in an half-assed relationship just because society wants to see me getting laid, while I don't truly love the person I'm with. I can't imagine it would be a good model of a relationship for my children, the average couple divorces after 5 years of relationship and I can see why.
>Many incels and guys who rarely fuck are attractive, Chadliness is about charisma and status.
This so fucking much. I have so many fucking chad looking friends or prettyboy ones, like legit handsome ass dudes, and they don't even fuck that much because they're introverted and don't really have their lives together yet (still in 20s tho)
like try being a complete fuckup 27 year old dude but being like say, 8/10. you won't find a gf in my city. you might get laid at a bar or club or something. but you wont get a gf. maybe you could get one if you had looks AND personality, or looks AND money, but just one of these things doesnt seem to make you a chad
Dick size means nothing unless it's part of a stereotype of your race, such as blacks being desired because of their stereotypically large penises and asians being rejected because of their stereotypically small penises. In really what you perceive to be the dickpill is actually just an extension of race. I highly doubt women will walk out on men after going back to their house and courting based on the man's looks just because his dick is too small. It makes no sense whatsoever apart from what I assume to be a decent population of size queens, just like there are women who go after blacks, whites, etc.
Looks are paramount to personality. If you read my post thoroughly, you would have noticed that i said personality was a tertiary characteristic behind looks and status.
andddddd nothing to back it up. Well done
Lmao, the proof is in the pudding so to speak. The evidence for it is right in front of you, that 80/20 online dating distribution for females rating men based on looks. The link is that the sexual marketplace is akin to a free economic market, and is therefore subject to laws and principles that are taught in macroeconomics classes.
I think its 3 part. Social standing, personal Charisma and confidence, looks
you need all 3 or 1 at an insane level to be in the dating market
Look at the fucking pics posted on Jow Forums and incel forums. Most of them are average, with a some uggos and some genuinely good looking men.
When the attractive men are asked why they're incel there responses reveal a completely spineless faggot.
The most busted dudes with no money can walk into a club and bar and on occasion pull women better looking than them.
Admittedly these women aren't gf material, but who the fuck cares when they're trying to get their dick wet.
I'm antisocial bad at small talk and have a hard time meeting new people. Combine that with semi high standards and some self doubt/low self confidence.
No ruralfag, and I live in SF. Your bitter, pessimist attitude is likely a much bigger impediment to your love life than your bank account or appearance. If you really believe you are so ugly that women literally cannot biologically be attracted to you, then I recommend watching the show Queer Eye (i know, just listen..) on netflix. It is amazing to see what a positive change simple grooming and working through some bottled emotions (which everyone has) can make in the 'looks' of a man. You do NOT need to be rich to dress well, by the way.
(okay maybe height is kind of true though.)
Also, nice reliable source!
For like the millionth time post ass pics of the other two for fuck sake, I can't give an honest determination on who you should go for without seeing that.
I saw your post. The article didn't say looks were the most important though, or what looks were considered "moderately attractive."
You made your own leaps in logic after skimming the article with no proof to back it up.
The distribution proves nothing about the people who actually fuck though. That's not proof for the 80/20 in the dating scene, especially that most of the population is not on okcupid.
I makes sense though that he's like this, cause he's a big brainlet. Same amount of social awareness and critical thinking as the bob vegene Pajeets.
there's no incels in kiwiland?
why? are your girls that slutty or is it just really populated?
Girls are super easy, even incel freaks from uni and school had gfs
they wouldnt be incels if they have sex though, unless their gfs cuck them and dont let them have sex
Even Asian and aboriginal guys can get laid?
are they hot? do hot chicks fuck incels there?
This. I don't want to sound like im blowing my own horn, but I've have been told I was attractive by many girls in my life. But I have the worst social skills (only child, bullied in school), and I'm a fuck up trying to get my shit together.
I have been with less girls than I could have. Girls who nonverbally gave me the OK to hit them up, I BLEW IT. Stone cold silence. Girls I spoke to on the phone after getting their number but never lead anywhere because I didn't pursue them and get the first kiss.
Nothing but regret, bros.
Here's the thing, unless you are a literal model, girls will never make the fist move on you. You have to do it and you have to do it with charisma.Period point blank.
>Here's the thing, unless you are a literal model, girls will never make the fist move on you.
This, unfortunately it seems like a surprising number of men expect or hope that women will make the first move, but the truth is they won't. It's unfair, but that's life.
Though "charisma" varies. A big part of getting women is to just put yourself out there and have reasonable standards for who you are. You don't necessarily have to be charismatic, especially if you're good looking. Just don't be a total retard either.
We don't have abos in our country
Incels have this look to them, you can spot those freaks from a mile away, incels will always be incels even if they have sex in my eyes
I guess the girls are okay idk, its too subjective as we have different tastes
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