I keep hearing that the stock market is extremely overvalued and it is on the verge of collapse...

Dow is going to 16000

Stocks are more valuable than fiat that's it.

It always gets said, but it is really hard to time the market. Even if you bought SPY at it's peak in 2007, you could have made an average 8% yearly return since then. That isn't like, BIG DICK money or something, but you wouldn't be in the red either. If you timed the bottom of the market you'd have gotten like a 300% return over the past 10 years. That is pretty exceptional for a longer time scale, but how much money would most of us penniless fucks have put in at the bottoms? 20k? 50k? Even in the latter case (which I think would be the upper bound of most user's abilities to save on this board) that'd put you at 150k. You didn't exactly strike it rich unless you made some good stock picks. Plus you have to consider that is 15k a year of capital gains. If you had a good income, or you worked to increase your income substantially you could actually put that much in your account as a matter of your yearly budgeting. So now you are putting in 15k a year from your savings, and that amount is increasing at 8% or more a year. You have conceptualized an even more secure way of attaining the same goal that relies on things within your power, rather than trying to be a rain man guessing when yellowstone is going to erupt. Sure, if you did what I said above AS WELL AS timed the bottom of the market, you'd make even more money! But then you're just getting greedy imo.

Its not going to crash without a reason. People buying cheap ETF index will keep on pumping the market, especially the US because whenever there is international trouble people sell all countries and buy US.

Bad things which could happen :

- FED raises rates so asset managers will rebalance their portfolio with less stocks and more bonds, this will hurt particularly dividend centric stocks.

- Full commercial war between US and China. This has more chances to hurt China stocks than US BUT there is now so much Chinese foreign investment that if they had to sell all their assets fast, it could cause a crash.

FB and twitter are the worst tech stocks you could buy. Social networks have no competitive advantage other than their user base which can migrate any day (see what happened to myspace, MSN, ...). Google is a far better pick.

Everyone is convinced it will crash just in time for the election, so it's probably not going to crash any time soon.

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Nothing wrong with 8% gain per year. Crypto will never hit the gains they got last year, it was an anomaly. Stay with safe investments in a real market. Its not going to crash because it is stable unlike bitcoin.

Lets really look at this for a minute. Stocks have increased drastically. Trillions have been pumped into the economy, which just means stock market. Real estate is basically half of what it was prior to 2008.

Median income ias at the year 2000 level.

Median income has not increased since the year 2000.

Money is artificially being put into the stock market. The rest of the economy is nonexistent

When this puppy bursts. It will be way worse than 2008.unless of course you believe the artificial pumping will never stop and the economy is actually expanding by real productivity, which is the reason for stocks to be so massively priced....

It will crash when the fed strat raising interest rates. As soon as that happens you have a few months to get out. Interest rates raising has always signified a crash within the US.

The stock market is pumping because it is held up nearly entirely by rich boomers padding their already hefty retirement accounts. Just you wait and see what happens when boomers start cashing out for retirement instead of buying stock

it's held up by the fed & some other foreign central banks buying stocks (with freshly created money)

Holy shit 90% of biz misses the mark again

The market is being held up by trumps tax cuts, as soon as corporations burn through that extra free cash flow, there are no new large buyers of stock
( hedge funds/ institutions are selling heavy right now)
It ends within a year

Buy silver now ( mining stocks if your bold)
Wait till silver hits $50
At this time sell the silver and then start purchasing stock/ real estate

Ur welcome fags

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I agree, drumph is the worst thing to ever happen to this economy. He gave corporations tax breaks which artificially pumped the economy which will only make it crash even harder. By 2020 there will be +30% unemployment and hopefully a reasonable person will come back to implement rational policies.

You silver fags are going to be waiting forever. I first heard the silvers undervalued meme over 10 years ago.

My strategy is to not bet against the FED. Rate are rising then I enjoy the initial bull for some time and then remove money from stock markets.

Real world events, demographics are the tipping point but you see how high the P/E values of companies are and how every type of debt is exploding and you know it can’t last.

This is largely true... if you guys out there have decent jobs where you can save money every month, do it. Wait for these great buying opportunities.

>yet it still keeps pumping
it's not. it's literally trading sideways at the high level and has been for months.

Crypto is 100% dead once the stock market falters. When Dow stopped going parabolic we started to lose steam as well. When they flash crashed we flash crashed to 6k. We are still following so closely.

The recession won't be for long. 2019-2020 also kicks off a period of increasing geopolitical risk for Eurasia, which will create huge pressures for Europe to move portable assets to American markets. When Russia starts shooting in East Europe, it's time to short European everything and time to be long American everything.

The silver and gold bugs were right, at least between 2001 and 2011. Shit fucking 10x'ed.

And remarkably, it didn't collapse. It fell hard, but it's still +3x from 2001.

You must mean that fiat devalued 3x.